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clarity · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 280 Location: Burton

lol carnt belvie this is still goin on, i made it time ago i left for a while to get my own forum site up and running and thurt id check it out.

irish are in all sence british as there have been so much crossover between us that everyone is now british. plus during potato famine most itrish left and the place was colonised by english men

De Bhaldraithe · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 180 Location: Éire

clarity wrote: lol carnt belvie this is still goin on, i made it time ago i left for a while to get my own forum site up and running and thurt id check it out.

irish are in all sence british as there have been so much crossover between us that everyone is now british. plus during potato famine most itrish left and the place was colonised by english men

Your spelling is almost as appalling as your political and historical outlooks.

During the Famine, a potatoe blight that was brought by nature and that led to a Famine created by the British authorities, many Irish had to leave their homes - you make it sound like they just got up one day and decided to make tracks off to Australia, the States, etc. The Irish were forced to leave their home in search of a decent way of life. There's so much to say here really but I don't have the time.....

social

clarity wrote: Ireland is part of the British isles, i feel that ireland is part of my nation and i was annoyed when i had learned it had claimed independance.

Why would they withdraw from one of the greatest nations in the world.

I think they should rejoin the rest of their family, them leaving has helped no one only made things so much more complecated.

If they rejoin Britain then we will be back to full strength and i will welcome them with open arms

Judging by the amount of pages this post's accumulated, you've probably heard this all before, but I'll say it anyway. Ireland is not part of 'your nation.' Its independance hasn't been acheived. Its 'withdrawal' from the 'greatest nation in the world' had something to do with the centuries of rape, murder and exploitation that country commited on its shores. It does not belong to the 'British family', nor will it ever welcome back with 'open arms' a British authority.

Pebble · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 1143

De Bhaldraithe wrote:

Your spelling is almost as appalling as your political and historical outlooks.

During the Famine, a potatoe blight that was brought by nature and that led to a Famine created by the British authorities, many Irish had to leave their homes - you make it sound like they just got up one day and decided to make tracks off to Australia, the States, etc. The Irish were forced to leave their home in search of a decent way of life. There's so much to say here really but I don't have the time.....

Are you trying to say that the British authorities deliberatly incited and created the potato famine?

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16387 Location: On Earth

social wrote: clarity wrote: Ireland is part of the British isles, i feel that ireland is part of my nation and i was annoyed when i had learned it had claimed independance.

Why would they withdraw from one of the greatest nations in the world.

I think they should rejoin the rest of their family, them leaving has helped no one only made things so much more complecated.

If they rejoin Britain then we will be back to full strength and i will welcome them with open arms

Judging by the amount of pages this post's accumulated, you've probably heard this all before, but I'll say it anyway. Ireland is not part of 'your nation.' Its independance hasn't been acheived. Its 'withdrawal' from the 'greatest nation in the world' had something to do with the centuries of rape, murder and exploitation that country commited on its shores. It does not belong to the 'British family', nor will it ever welcome back with 'open arms' a British authority.

I agree. Long live a free Ireland!

irish_lou · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Belfast

Pebble wrote: De Bhaldraithe wrote:

Your spelling is almost as appalling as your political and historical outlooks.

During the Famine, a potatoe blight that was brought by nature and that led to a Famine created by the British authorities, many Irish had to leave their homes - you make it sound like they just got up one day and decided to make tracks off to Australia, the States, etc. The Irish were forced to leave their home in search of a decent way of life. There's so much to say here really but I don't have the time.....

Are you trying to say that the British authorities deliberatly incited and created the potato famine?

The Famine was at least fifty years in the making, due to the disastrous interaction of British economic policy, destructive farming methods, and the unfortunate appearance of "the Blight" . Ireland did produce enough other crops to feed the population, but was forced to allow the British occupiers take it. It is, in part the British authorities fault for the famine as laws were in place to stop the poor and starving Irish eat fish from the rivers on land 'owned' by the English and the interference of the British economy didn't help. The British may not be solely to blame, but they didn't help the situation!

irish_lou · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Belfast

clarity wrote: lol carnt belvie this is still goin on, i made it time ago i left for a while to get my own forum site up and running and thurt id check it out.

irish are in all sence british as there have been so much crossover between us that everyone is now british. plus during potato famine most itrish left and the place was colonised by english men

There is a Spell Check button, you know :P

And, 'crossover' does NOT mean that everyone is now British. That is looking at it the same way some one looks at breeding dogs/cats etc. I would never regard myself as British. Each side of my family come from Scotland and Ireland respectively. Celtic, yes. Never British. You make it sound like the British go out and multiply with 'locals' so the kids are British.

Also, between 1.5m and 2m Irish left Ireland, from a population of about 9m. This is not 'most irish'. Just a correction there.

The place wasn't colonised by English men after the famine, but before. You make it sound like the Irish left and the English moved in. They had moved in way before that. Get your facts right.

De Bhaldraithe · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 180 Location: Éire

Pebble wrote: De Bhaldraithe wrote:

Your spelling is almost as appalling as your political and historical outlooks.

During the Famine, a potatoe blight that was brought by nature and that led to a Famine created by the British authorities, many Irish had to leave their homes - you make it sound like they just got up one day and decided to make tracks off to Australia, the States, etc. The Irish were forced to leave their home in search of a decent way of life. There's so much to say here really but I don't have the time.....

Are you trying to say that the British authorities deliberatly incited and created the potato famine?

I think you'll find that I didn't use the word deliberately. Nor did I imply that the famine was incited by the British authorities. What is clear is that had the British authorities acted in a different manner and had the occupying English landlords acted in a different manner, the story would have been a fairly different one. Nature brought the blight. The British authorities brought the Famine.

CMB

Saracen wrote: social wrote: clarity wrote: Ireland is part of the British isles, i feel that ireland is part of my nation and i was annoyed when i had learned it had claimed independance.

Why would they withdraw from one of the greatest nations in the world.

I think they should rejoin the rest of their family, them leaving has helped no one only made things so much more complecated.

If they rejoin Britain then we will be back to full strength and i will welcome them with open arms

Judging by the amount of pages this post's accumulated, you've probably heard this all before, but I'll say it anyway. Ireland is not part of 'your nation.' Its independance hasn't been acheived. Its 'withdrawal' from the 'greatest nation in the world' had something to do with the centuries of rape, murder and exploitation that country commited on its shores. It does not belong to the 'British family', nor will it ever welcome back with 'open arms' a British authority.

I agree. Long live a free Ireland.

AKAMad · Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 307 Location: Birmingham

:lol: This has been a geat forum :lol:

What a fantastic wind up !

Guarannteed to get those Celtic juices flowing all over the world

When you meet a German, you shouldn't mention the war, because it is rude and unfair. Since it was before they were born.

Cue Fawlty Towers

When you meet an Irishman, you don't mention the famine, because they go on and on and on and

Give us a break, do we bring up the Nazi collabaration all the time ? :roll:

I'm afraid the basic truth of the GFA is that neither side really wants NI.

Since Iraq, I doubt there is even much chance of palming it of on the Yanks.

angusrae · Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 974 Location: Falkirk Scotland

AKAMad wrote: :lol: This has been a geat forum :lol:

What a fantastic wind up !

Guarannteed to get those Celtic juices flowing all over the world

When you meet a German, you shouldn't mention the war, because it is rude and unfair. Since it was before they were born.

Cue Fawlty Towers

When you meet an Irishman, you don't mention the famine, because they go on and on and on and

Give us a break, do we bring up the Nazi collabaration all the time ? :roll:

I'm afraid the basic truth of the GFA is that neither side really wants NI.

Since Iraq, I doubt there is even much chance of palming it of on the Yanks.

You forgot to metion don,t bring up the loss of Empire or the Scots to the English they think they rule Britian but they know deep deep down it really is the Scottish who rule Britain. :lol: :lol: :wink: Even if some of us wish to give England back to the English :wink:

AKAMad · Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 307 Location: Birmingham

:lol: England just pays for Britain :-o

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16387 Location: On Earth

I support a free Ireland because I believe in everyone's right to self-determination and independence.

I support it because it has been under the thumb of British colonial rule for too long right now that it just makes me sick if the Brits stay and/or reclaim it.

I also support a free Ireland because it resembles a situation closer to home.

I think you guys know what that particular situation that I am talking about is.

Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 7020

[quote="Saracen"]I support it because it has been under the thumb of British colonial rule for too long right now that it just makes me sick if the Brits stay and/or reclaim it.

But Ireland has been from the 'oppressor' for ages now - since 1918 (ish).

Plus, lets now loose sight of this original thread being a wind up! My god!

Achilles The Myrmidon · Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 4649 Location: Hellas

Forget Ireland!!!1They are free since 1918.What about Scotland and Wales that are still occupies by the english tyrants?

AKAMad · Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 307 Location: Birmingham

[quote="Achilles The Myrmidon"]Forget Ireland!!!1They are free since 1918.What about Scotland and Wales that are still occupies by the english tyrants?[/quote]

:!oops: Oh the poor Scots and Welsh ! How they suffer under English oppression ! :!oops:

Do you know the English subsidises Scotland by ONLY 13 billion, that is ONLY 3,000 pounds per man, woman and child per year. :shock:

maxtsu · Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 1854 Location: European Union

Ssushi wrote: But Ireland has been from the 'oppressor' for ages now - since 1918 (ish).

In 1916 the Home Rule Act was signed, but implement in 1918.
It gave Ireland Home Rule, but still within the UK.

It was not until 1922 that the Irish Free State was formed.
But still had the English King/Queen as head of state.

In 1937 the Kings G-G was replaced by an Irish elected president. At this time the Irish Constitution came into being.

And finally in 1949 Ireland became The Republic of Ireland.
And broke the final links to the UK. The last rights/offices of the English King were transfered to the Irish President.

Sorry, felt like a bit of a history lesson :)

mr crunchy · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 519 Location: boston

first of all i feel the prejudice between our two countrys were left behind in the last century, english, wlsh and scottish get along fine with the irish nowa days.

you have never walked thru the shankhill road or remember harrods blowing up the week before xmas in 1983

we dont get along fine
we dont respect the english and the scotch and welch footwashers who bow to the queen

thundertaker · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject:

mr crunchy wrote:
we dont respect the english and the scotch and welch footwashers who bow to the queen

You mean anyone whois British and has anything slightly resembling patriotism?

weechucky · Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Belfast

Once again I have to point out that Ireland IS NOT FREE!!!!

Yes 26 of the 32 counties in Ireland have regained their freedom but there are still 6 occupied counties...Fermanagh, Armagh, Tyrone, Derry, Antrim and Down are still under forced occupation!!!

Not even going to get into that whole "but we all get along now"....yes there is not a problem when Irish people meet Scotch, Welsh or English people....the problem arises when anyone claims that the English have a right to claim control or authority over Irish soil!!