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[VBach37]

Clarity, why don't you ask someone who's Irish if they want to rejoin. I can tell you what their answer will be: "You can bloody well f**k yourself." You compare "Great Britain" to a family? Well, it's like a disfunctional family where the father beats the wife and children. Do British schools not teach about the atrocities that were commited against the Irish by England over the centuries? Or about the multiple wars Ireland fought to gain independance from England? Ireland was never a part of England, the Irish were a proud and independant people who were forced, first at swordpoint, then gunpoint, to serve their English masters. The only reason why Northern Ireland didn't go along with the south in declaring independance was because the English had resettled anglican Scotts (protestants) to counter the Catholic Irish population. England has no more right to demand sovereignty over Ireland than it does over India.

[clarity]

Im not saying by any means the way old Britain acted was right, they were d**k heads. But i view ireland as part of Britain i carnt change that view its just the way i see it. Just like people from Northern ireland can call themself British why carnt u.

As if the states would agree to let someone go.

The thing is i want ireland to join back with Britain cause it will be a step towards a world goverment

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

clarity wrote:
The thing is i want ireland to join back with Britain cause it will be a step towards a world goverment
So, even more reson to keep apart.

[clarity]

y is everyone against a world goverment

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

clarity wrote: y is everyone against a world goverment
Well....
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060929871/002-1081147-2817605?v=glance
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html
And



[img]http://www.dickandwitta.com/Europe_Images_01/b&w%20photo2.jpg[/img]

[clarity]

a world goverment does have to be like that hitler was deluded and claimed he wall all powerful, a world goverment, GOVERMENT it will be a council not one deluded leader

[Ellron]

Ireland should definitely not rejoin the UK. First off they never joined the UK on their own but were forced to.

Secondly their Catholic and you Protestant. With a religious country like Ireland i don't think it would work out.

Thirdly right now their doing great right now.

Fourthly they probably think you would impose silly tax's and laws on them. They would probably be right. Not because UK makes stupid laws BUT the bigger the country the harder it is to make laws that fit to everyone.

Lastly you acted like complete dick heads to them up to their independence and probably don't want dumb s**t like that happening again

[DMwsuguy]

clarity wrote: a world goverment does have to be like that hitler was deluded and claimed he wall all powerful, a world goverment, GOVERMENT it will be a council not one deluded leader

I'm all for world Government.....it won't happen anytime soon, but it would be a good thing.

Sorta makes me sad I'm on your side on this, so far you've given no signs you are capable of any sort of thought process.

Ireland achieved it's freedom from mercantilist foreigners, props to them and lets keep it that way.

[clarity]

i understand that ireland will never join the uk again, which dissapoints me as i feel they are part of the nation.

im not thinking properly on this because it is something i have felt strongly about for years so i admit my opinion is going to be alittle biast.

And if they did join this time round it would be on their own free will.

I think that a world goverment is the next step, but due to the arrgance of most people it will never happen so far i have only met 3 people on this site who support it

[Shadow_Realm]

clarity wrote: a world goverment does have to be like that hitler was deluded and claimed he wall all powerful, a world goverment, GOVERMENT it will be a council not one deluded leader

You would have to use force again to get back Ireland.....hence its hilter again. There is no way in hell after the history of your countries relations, that they would rejoin you

[Shadow_Realm]

clarity wrote: i understand that ireland will never join the uk again, which dissapoints me as i feel they are part of the nation.

im not thinking properly on this because it is something i have felt strongly about for years so i admit my opinion is going to be alittle biast.

And if they did join this time round it would be on their own free will.

I think that a world goverment is the next step, but due to the arrgance of most people it will never happen so far i have only met 3 people on this site who support it

so what was the point of this thread, you state your feelings which(you know) are not rational?

[clarity]

i would never dream of taking it back by force, but im hoping new centruya nd more enlightend leaders (which we havent seen yet) will be able to work some magic

[VBach37]

I view Cuba as a part of the United States: Come back, Cuba!

[bob.appleyard]

How old were you when Ireland claimed its independence?

I would dispute very strongly the idea that the Irish and the English are part of the same nation. I'm glad that you don't wish to use force in achieving reunification. And I'm glad you made a concession to reality in recognising that the Irish will probably not join of their own volition.

I totally agree with you on world government, that is what the UN was supposed to be. The likelihood of actually having a viable world government any time soon is pretty slim, though.

[thundertaker]

The Republic of Ireland is a seperate nation, they do not want to be part of Britain. Any sane and reasonable person should believe in the right to self-determination. If the people of Scotland wanted independence, it would be our duty to support it, likewise if an american state wanted to secede, it should be up to them, not the rest of the country.
Having said that, I think the way that Ireland became independent was completely and utterly uneccessary. The 1914 Home Rule Act of 1914 had just been passed, giving the whole island of Ireland autonomy from Britain. If it hadn't been for WWI, The protestant militias of Ulster wouldn't have had time to prepare themselves to resist it's implementation and the whole island could have become totally independent and free by democratic means by now. All those people who where killed in the bloodshed subsequent to the 1916 easter rising died for no reason.
Ireland might even have retained dominion status and retained the Queen as head of state, like Canada or Australia.......

[Enoch]

Clarity, why don't you enlighten us. Why do you feel Ireland should be a part of the United Kingdom? What advantages are there for the Irish, and for the British? How would you recomend repairing the growing animosity between the Irish and the British?

Also, how would your proposed World Government work? Would it be a democracy, republic, theocracy, monarchy, democratic monarchy (such as what the British currently have), senatorial government, dictatorship, etc?

What would be the method used to determine the leadership style, government roles in the lives of world citizens, tax philosophy, religious freedoms (or lack of freedoms), etc?

There are a lot of questions to answer with both the topics you are proposing. So, what are your answers?

[clarity]

first of all i feel the prejudice between our two countrys were left behind in the last century, english, wlsh and scottish get along fine with the irish nowa days.

I guess i feel they should officaly be part of Britain cause they were there in the early days and were once part of Britain, now untill there back Britain can never be whole.

I have sent my ideas of european goverment to this website www.avatars.1colony.com its under international views.

I realise it speaks of europe but i belive the same could be applied to the world. The chance of it working, i have no clue its a proposal im sure there are much better ways

[Enoch]

clarity wrote: first of all i feel the prejudice between our two countrys were left behind in the last century, english, wlsh and scottish get along fine with the irish nowa days.

I guess i feel they should officaly be part of Britain cause they were there in the early days and were once part of Britain, now untill there back Britain can never be whole.

I have sent my ideas of european goverment to this website www.avatars.1colony.com its under international views.

I realise it speaks of europe but i belive the same could be applied to the world. The chance of it working, i have no clue its a proposal im sure there are much better ways

I looked at the website you provided and well, it didn't exactly answer my questions.

All you did was lay out something for Europe (which is flawed in too many ways to count). How about the rest of the World Government you envision?

How would it be run?
What type of government would it be?
How would taxation work?
How would voting laws be enacted?
Would there be veto power?
How many branches of government would there be?
Where would the seat of power be located (Paris, London, New York, Tokyo?)
What would be the first step in setting it up?
If a country decides they don't wish to participate in the World Government (as the United States is likely to do) what would happen then?

[clarity]

i am too smaller person with a too limited knowledge of the world to deicide all that. that would be up to the leaders who we choose to represent us to decide

[FCTE]

clarity wrote: so far i have only met 3 people on this site who support it

Yes, evil commies who must be destroyed.