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[demothsenes]

Why do you support this man. You say he doesn't deserve his "severe-punishment" because it isn't the same as a woman and a little boy. Correct. An adult man having sex with a Young boy Is not the same as a woman having sex with a younger boy. So then why do you want them to have the same punishment? Because in this case it happens to be a GAY relationship? You can all fight for gay relationship and support it. But again.... an ADULT man having straight sex with a young Boy, this is morally wrong. And we all know this. Don't say that its the same as a woman and boy together because throughout history it has always been woman and man, boy and girl. And for society to tip the scales with Boy and Man deserves punishment beyond standard.

[Enoch]

demothsenes wrote: Why do you support this man. You say he doesn't deserve his "severe-punishment" because it isn't the same as a woman and a little boy. Correct. An adult man having sex with a Young boy Is not the same as a woman having sex with a younger boy. So then why do you want them to have the same punishment? Because in this case it happens to be a GAY relationship? You can all fight for gay relationship and support it. But again.... an ADULT man having straight sex with a young Boy, this is morally wrong. And we all know this. Don't say that its the same as a woman and boy together because throughout history it has always been woman and man, boy and girl. And for society to tip the scales with Boy and Man deserves punishment beyond standard.




We don't necissarily support the man as much as we support changing a prejudicial law. An adult who sexually abuses or molests a child deserves punishment, no ifs, ands or buts. The gender of the people involved makes no difference.

It seems to me that you are advocating child molestation, as long as it involves two people of opposite sex. And who is the wacko here?

[Canada_Rocks]

demothsenes,

Quote: Why do you support this man.

Easy, we don't. We support the ruling.

Quote: You say he doesn't deserve his "severe-punishment" because it isn't the same as a woman and a little boy.

We are saying whether you are gay, a man or woman you deseave the same sentence for having sex with a minor.

Quote: Correct. An adult man having sex with a Young boy Is not the same as a woman having sex with a younger boy.

Nope, to me it is the same thing. An adult having sex with a minor

Quote: So then why do you want them to have the same punishment?

Because it is the same crime

Quote: Because in this case it happens to be a GAY relationship?

I don't care if it is gay, the penalties should be equal.

Quote: You can all fight for gay relationship and support it. But again.... an ADULT man having straight sex with a young Boy, this is morally wrong.

First off, the sex would be gay not straight.
Secondly if you want to discuss the morality of homosexuality go to the Society forum here. Or to the Gay marriage thread in the Politics and Government forum.

Quote: And we all know this. Don't say that its the same as a woman and boy together because throughout history it has always been woman and man, boy and girl.

I don't know what history you are talking about. But homosexuality has existed since the beginning of time. Great empires such as the Roman, Chinese and the japanese thought homosexual behavior to be socially acceptable.

Quote: And for society to tip the scales with Boy and Man deserves punishment beyond standard.


No they don't.

[Bag of Rags]

UrielsFyre wrote: demothsenes wrote: Why do you support this man. You say he doesn't deserve his "severe-punishment" because it isn't the same as a woman and a little boy. Correct. An adult man having sex with a Young boy Is not the same as a woman having sex with a younger boy. So then why do you want them to have the same punishment? Because in this case it happens to be a GAY relationship? You can all fight for gay relationship and support it. But again.... an ADULT man having straight sex with a young Boy, this is morally wrong. And we all know this. Don't say that its the same as a woman and boy together because throughout history it has always been woman and man, boy and girl. And for society to tip the scales with Boy and Man deserves punishment beyond standard.




We don't necissarily support the man as much as we support changing a prejudicial law. An adult who sexually abuses or molests a child deserves punishment, no ifs, ands or buts. The gender of the people involved makes no difference.

It seems to me that you are advocating child molestation, as long as it involves two people of opposite sex. And who is the wacko here?

Then I would assume you are also against special "Hate Crimes Legislation" as well - right?

[Canada_Rocks]

Bag of Rags wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: demothsenes wrote: Why do you support this man. You say he doesn't deserve his "severe-punishment" because it isn't the same as a woman and a little boy. Correct. An adult man having sex with a Young boy Is not the same as a woman having sex with a younger boy. So then why do you want them to have the same punishment? Because in this case it happens to be a GAY relationship? You can all fight for gay relationship and support it. But again.... an ADULT man having straight sex with a young Boy, this is morally wrong. And we all know this. Don't say that its the same as a woman and boy together because throughout history it has always been woman and man, boy and girl. And for society to tip the scales with Boy and Man deserves punishment beyond standard.




We don't necissarily support the man as much as we support changing a prejudicial law. An adult who sexually abuses or molests a child deserves punishment, no ifs, ands or buts. The gender of the people involved makes no difference.

It seems to me that you are advocating child molestation, as long as it involves two people of opposite sex. And who is the wacko here?

Then I would assume you are also against special "Hate Crimes Legislation" as well - right?

Hate crimes are different. But yeah, personally, I am against hate crimes. The system is abused to much.

[Bag of Rags]

Canada_rocks wrote: Bag of Rags wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: demothsenes wrote: Why do you support this man. You say he doesn't deserve his "severe-punishment" because it isn't the same as a woman and a little boy. Correct. An adult man having sex with a Young boy Is not the same as a woman having sex with a younger boy. So then why do you want them to have the same punishment? Because in this case it happens to be a GAY relationship? You can all fight for gay relationship and support it. But again.... an ADULT man having straight sex with a young Boy, this is morally wrong. And we all know this. Don't say that its the same as a woman and boy together because throughout history it has always been woman and man, boy and girl. And for society to tip the scales with Boy and Man deserves punishment beyond standard.




We don't necissarily support the man as much as we support changing a prejudicial law. An adult who sexually abuses or molests a child deserves punishment, no ifs, ands or buts. The gender of the people involved makes no difference.

It seems to me that you are advocating child molestation, as long as it involves two people of opposite sex. And who is the wacko here?

Then I would assume you are also against special "Hate Crimes Legislation" as well - right?

Hate crimes are different. But yeah, personally, I am against hate crimes. The system is abused to much.

No, hate crimes really are not different.

[Canada_Rocks]

Bag of Rags wrote: Canada_rocks wrote: Bag of Rags wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: demothsenes wrote: Why do you support this man. You say he doesn't deserve his "severe-punishment" because it isn't the same as a woman and a little boy. Correct. An adult man having sex with a Young boy Is not the same as a woman having sex with a younger boy. So then why do you want them to have the same punishment? Because in this case it happens to be a GAY relationship? You can all fight for gay relationship and support it. But again.... an ADULT man having straight sex with a young Boy, this is morally wrong. And we all know this. Don't say that its the same as a woman and boy together because throughout history it has always been woman and man, boy and girl. And for society to tip the scales with Boy and Man deserves punishment beyond standard.




We don't necissarily support the man as much as we support changing a prejudicial law. An adult who sexually abuses or molests a child deserves punishment, no ifs, ands or buts. The gender of the people involved makes no difference.

It seems to me that you are advocating child molestation, as long as it involves two people of opposite sex. And who is the wacko here?

Then I would assume you are also against special "Hate Crimes Legislation" as well - right?

Hate crimes are different. But yeah, personally, I am against hate crimes. The system is abused to much.

No, hate crimes really are not different.

alright, tell me how thy are the same

[Bag of Rags]

Canada_rocks wrote: Bag of Rags wrote: Canada_rocks wrote: Bag of Rags wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: demothsenes wrote: Why do you support this man. You say he doesn't deserve his "severe-punishment" because it isn't the same as a woman and a little boy. Correct. An adult man having sex with a Young boy Is not the same as a woman having sex with a younger boy. So then why do you want them to have the same punishment? Because in this case it happens to be a GAY relationship? You can all fight for gay relationship and support it. But again.... an ADULT man having straight sex with a young Boy, this is morally wrong. And we all know this. Don't say that its the same as a woman and boy together because throughout history it has always been woman and man, boy and girl. And for society to tip the scales with Boy and Man deserves punishment beyond standard.




We don't necissarily support the man as much as we support changing a prejudicial law. An adult who sexually abuses or molests a child deserves punishment, no ifs, ands or buts. The gender of the people involved makes no difference.

It seems to me that you are advocating child molestation, as long as it involves two people of opposite sex. And who is the wacko here?

Then I would assume you are also against special "Hate Crimes Legislation" as well - right?

Hate crimes are different. But yeah, personally, I am against hate crimes. The system is abused to much.

No, hate crimes really are not different.

alright, tell me how thy are the same


Advocates of hate crimes want different punishment for the same crime, depending on who the victim is.

Matthew Shepherd - drug out of town and murdered because he was gay. The gay-rights people are screaming that the perpetrators needed to be tried for hate crimes! But they are wrong. The perpetrators need to be tried for first degree murder. Period. It DOES NOT MATTER that Matthew Shepherd was gay. He was a human being, and they murdered him.

Several years ago a black man was drug to death, behind a pickup truck, in Texas (I don't remember his name). Civil rights people were screaming that the perpetrators needed to be tried for hate crimes! But they are wrong. The perpetrators need to be tried for first degree murder. Period. It DOES NOT MATTER that the man was black. He was a human being, and they murdered him.


This case is, if I'm reading it correctly, theoretically the same. An adult forced himself sexually on a child. It does NOT matter whether it was a woman forcing herself on a boy, a man forcing himself on a girl, a woman forcing herself on a girl, or a man forcing himself on a boy.

There are no special laws needed here - and no exeptions to the law needed. Crime is crime, regardless of who the victim is.

[Canada_Rocks]

Quote: This case is, if I'm reading it correctly, theoretically the same. An adult forced himself sexually on a child. It does NOT matter whether it was a woman forcing herself on a boy, a man forcing himself on a girl, a woman forcing herself on a girl, or a man forcing himself on a boy.

There are no special laws needed here - and no exeptions to the law needed. Crime is crime, regardless of who the victim is.

Thats what I said, why are we arguing.

[Bag of Rags]

Canada_rocks wrote: Quote: This case is, if I'm reading it correctly, theoretically the same. An adult forced himself sexually on a child. It does NOT matter whether it was a woman forcing herself on a boy, a man forcing himself on a girl, a woman forcing herself on a girl, or a man forcing himself on a boy.

There are no special laws needed here - and no exeptions to the law needed. Crime is crime, regardless of who the victim is.

Thats what I said, why are we arguing.

Really? Then why did you write this earlier? Quote: Hate crimes are different.

[Canada_Rocks]

Bag of Rags wrote: Canada_rocks wrote: Quote: This case is, if I'm reading it correctly, theoretically the same. An adult forced himself sexually on a child. It does NOT matter whether it was a woman forcing herself on a boy, a man forcing himself on a girl, a woman forcing herself on a girl, or a man forcing himself on a boy.

There are no special laws needed here - and no exeptions to the law needed. Crime is crime, regardless of who the victim is.

Thats what I said, why are we arguing.

Really? Then why did you write this earlier? Quote: Hate crimes are different.

Hate crimes are different that a gay guy having sex with a kid. Maybe not crimes against a race and crimes against a gay, those are HATE crimes and they are the same.

[Enoch]

Bag of Rags wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: demothsenes wrote: Why do you support this man. You say he doesn't deserve his "severe-punishment" because it isn't the same as a woman and a little boy. Correct. An adult man having sex with a Young boy Is not the same as a woman having sex with a younger boy. So then why do you want them to have the same punishment? Because in this case it happens to be a GAY relationship? You can all fight for gay relationship and support it. But again.... an ADULT man having straight sex with a young Boy, this is morally wrong. And we all know this. Don't say that its the same as a woman and boy together because throughout history it has always been woman and man, boy and girl. And for society to tip the scales with Boy and Man deserves punishment beyond standard.




We don't necissarily support the man as much as we support changing a prejudicial law. An adult who sexually abuses or molests a child deserves punishment, no ifs, ands or buts. The gender of the people involved makes no difference.

It seems to me that you are advocating child molestation, as long as it involves two people of opposite sex. And who is the wacko here?

Then I would assume you are also against special "Hate Crimes Legislation" as well - right?

Actually, I am against hate crime legislation. The crime is what matters, not the gender, race, sexuality, religion, or nationality of the victim or suspect.

[Bag of Rags]

UrielsFyre wrote: Bag of Rags wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: demothsenes wrote: Why do you support this man. You say he doesn't deserve his "severe-punishment" because it isn't the same as a woman and a little boy. Correct. An adult man having sex with a Young boy Is not the same as a woman having sex with a younger boy. So then why do you want them to have the same punishment? Because in this case it happens to be a GAY relationship? You can all fight for gay relationship and support it. But again.... an ADULT man having straight sex with a young Boy, this is morally wrong. And we all know this. Don't say that its the same as a woman and boy together because throughout history it has always been woman and man, boy and girl. And for society to tip the scales with Boy and Man deserves punishment beyond standard.




We don't necissarily support the man as much as we support changing a prejudicial law. An adult who sexually abuses or molests a child deserves punishment, no ifs, ands or buts. The gender of the people involved makes no difference.

It seems to me that you are advocating child molestation, as long as it involves two people of opposite sex. And who is the wacko here?

Then I would assume you are also against special "Hate Crimes Legislation" as well - right?

Actually, I am against hate crime legislation. The crime is what matters, not the gender, race, sexuality, religion, or nationality of the victim or suspect.

Good.

[Pimpkie_69]

Bag of Rags wrote: Canada_rocks wrote: Bag of Rags wrote: Canada_rocks wrote: Bag of Rags wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: demothsenes wrote: Why do you support this man. You say he doesn't deserve his "severe-punishment" because it isn't the same as a woman and a little boy. Correct. An adult man having sex with a Young boy Is not the same as a woman having sex with a younger boy. So then why do you want them to have the same punishment? Because in this case it happens to be a GAY relationship? You can all fight for gay relationship and support it. But again.... an ADULT man having straight sex with a young Boy, this is morally wrong. And we all know this. Don't say that its the same as a woman and boy together because throughout history it has always been woman and man, boy and girl. And for society to tip the scales with Boy and Man deserves punishment beyond standard.




We don't necissarily support the man as much as we support changing a prejudicial law. An adult who sexually abuses or molests a child deserves punishment, no ifs, ands or buts. The gender of the people involved makes no difference.

It seems to me that you are advocating child molestation, as long as it involves two people of opposite sex. And who is the wacko here?

Then I would assume you are also against special "Hate Crimes Legislation" as well - right?

Hate crimes are different. But yeah, personally, I am against hate crimes. The system is abused to much.

No, hate crimes really are not different.

alright, tell me how thy are the same


Advocates of hate crimes want different punishment for the same crime, depending on who the victim is.

Matthew Shepherd - drug out of town and murdered because he was gay. The gay-rights people are screaming that the perpetrators needed to be tried for hate crimes! But they are wrong. The perpetrators need to be tried for first degree murder. Period. It DOES NOT MATTER that Matthew Shepherd was gay. He was a human being, and they murdered him.

Several years ago a black man was drug to death, behind a pickup truck, in Texas (I don't remember his name). Civil rights people were screaming that the perpetrators needed to be tried for hate crimes! But they are wrong. The perpetrators need to be tried for first degree murder. Period. It DOES NOT MATTER that the man was black. He was a human being, and they murdered him.


This case is, if I'm reading it correctly, theoretically the same. An adult forced himself sexually on a child. It does NOT matter whether it was a woman forcing herself on a boy, a man forcing himself on a girl, a woman forcing herself on a girl, or a man forcing himself on a boy.

There are no special laws needed here - and no exeptions to the law needed. Crime is crime, regardless of who the victim is.

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That is the best, most true, post I've ever read on this site.

[F'losrix]

Bag of Rags wrote: Matthew Shepherd - drug out of town and murdered because he was gay. The gay-rights people are screaming that the perpetrators needed to be tried for hate crimes!
Not all of us.

Quote: But they are wrong. The perpetrators need to be tried for first degree murder. Period. It DOES NOT MATTER that Matthew Shepherd was gay. He was a human being, and they murdered him.

Several years ago a black man was drug to death, behind a pickup truck, in Texas (I don't remember his name). Civil rights people were screaming that the perpetrators needed to be tried for hate crimes! But they are wrong. The perpetrators need to be tried for first degree murder. Period. It DOES NOT MATTER that the man was black. He was a human being, and they murdered him.

This case is, if I'm reading it correctly, theoretically the same. An adult forced himself sexually on a child. It does NOT matter whether it was a woman forcing herself on a boy, a man forcing himself on a girl, a woman forcing herself on a girl, or a man forcing himself on a boy.

There are no special laws needed here - and no exeptions to the law needed. Crime is crime, regardless of who the victim is.
I agree. I think hate crime legislation is a bad solution to a worse problem. You don't make people stop hating by trying to legislate against it.

I think people have turned to this sort of action out of frustration that their efforts to educate the hate out of people are failing.