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[tehjonny]

Once again, a white man points out the inconsistencies of present views on racism...and he's a racist...you guys have more or less totally vindicated his views.

If a pakistani person, or a black person uses a racial slur, its not racist.
If a white person uses one, thats racism.

And if someone points this out...he's racist.

Nice points guys :lol:

[antonio62]

tehjonny wrote: Once again, a white man points out the inconsistencies of present views on racism...and he's a racist...you guys have more or less totally vindicated his views.

If a pakistani person, or a black person uses a racial slur, its not racist.
If a white person uses one, thats racism.

And if someone points this out...he's racist.

Nice points guys :lol:

If a Black or Asian person says a racist comment it is as racist as if a white person says the same thing.

[Saracen]

antonio62 wrote: tehjonny wrote: Once again, a white man points out the inconsistencies of present views on racism...and he's a racist...you guys have more or less totally vindicated his views.

If a pakistani person, or a black person uses a racial slur, its not racist.
If a white person uses one, thats racism.

And if someone points this out...he's racist.

Nice points guys :lol:

If a Black or Asian person says a racist comment it is as racist as if a white person says the same thing.

Exactly.

[XPhile2868]

Although I don't personally believe that we are in separate races, I don't think that racism is merely a white person's disease.

Political correctness is actually racist. It weakens minorities, turning them into something that others cannot so much as criticize. A black person can be as evil as the most horrendous neo-nazi. It is time we cut back on the PC rot that is actually straining race relations in much of the West. Remember, a black/Asian/gay/bisexual/disabled/female person is human - they can have views just as negative as the most odious fascist.

[tehjonny]

If a Black or Asian person says a racist comment it is as racist as if a white person says the same thing.

But in reality this isn't the case in Britain. For example, the term 'positive discrimination'...how can discrimination ever be positive? This New Labour speak for discriminating against white people BASED ON ETHNICITY. This is racist. For example, universities have recently been instructed to choose a black person over a white person IF THEIR IS NO OTHER WAY OF DISTINGUISHING between the two candidates...this is positive now? Of course saying this, universities are usually rather independent institutions so it probably won't mean much to them...but still, this is prejudice in my eyes.

Your right, british people of whatever ethnicity are often racist towards others, but this cannot be solved by making non-white brits 'more equal'. I often get the impression a black/asian's ethnicity means they are treated more leniently in the courts, that it means they will be treated more favourably in terms of benefits and healthcare, and that they are in many ways better than white british people. I have no proof of this lol, it's just personal opinion...it's probably wrong, but their you go

As XPhile2868 said, you get 'bad apples' in every bunch, and by assuming that only white people in Britain can be guilty of discrimination and bigotry, we make the problems in this society worse.

[Alchymical]

great assessment Johnny and I absolutely agree with you.

often the racism that is truely dark and beguiling, isn't even spoken of Tokenism, and appearing to care have overtaken the actual caring about the issues...at the end of the day, true racism is not digging on someone for their ethnicity or colour so much as believeing in one's own racial superiority. There is a lot of quite odious superiority in asian cultures and also Arab one's, however I see it in America as well, and it's more a human problem in ourselves then between us.

Aspiring to no-ego is the solution, instead of making and educating all youth to have enormous pride (except English kids, who are taught shame) we should make comparative and clear the deficiencies and hatred brought on by the 'superior' attitude that is truely the pride before the fall, which is so much more important then whether little timmy called his mate a paki or not.

anyway, on a lighter note...

clarity wrote: well its my opinion deal with it go to the shops buy the sun and have a damn good read

now that is a most BEAUTIFUL oxymoron, I wanna frame it and put it on my wall, ty clarity! :lol:

[Nicholas]

The word ''racism'' lives in the multicultural bubble. A true genuine multicultural society is able to allow a significant majority of ethnic, religion and contain a wider diversity in the population spectrum. A robust compatibility is able to show equal respect for all, no matter what colour or instincts they might have. Since Britain is known to be ''softy'' on immigration issues under New labour and there's always a majority that do not assimilate. The law of discrimination does not apply to the disabled or its citizens, it also applies to ethnic and religious races, too. In actual fact, they are the ones who have an advantage.

In major businesses around Britain, they have to allow a certain percentage for those who are prone to discrimination and hold the upper hand, over the indigenous population. You hear many lawsuits and compensation from discrimination and I think that's what reflects partly on the racism issue. Hence you read why Europe is so ''bicultural'' and shows a juxtaposition between, say, America and Australia. Inherent race (nationalities, language and pride) can cause fierce blacklash.

[Plato & Socrates]

This thread is called. ARE WE THE RACIST ONES?

Just look at our society and you can tell it is racist. Look at our employment record at the higher end of the market and you will see racism in effect. Whether they are Muslim, Chinese, Black or Asian. the statistics make horrible reading. Integration? How many ethnic minorities work in your firm? From personal experience, inside my firm, if a minority is shortlisted for a interview, even when it is obvious he is the best qualified. there are always mitigating factors why he does'nt get the job. The usual, will he fit into the office environment? can he or she take a joke. (Even when they are more English than you or me) We ask them to jump through so many hoops. I'm not surprised, some don't bother trying.

Why do we have organizations like the (CRE) commission for racial equality et al. If we are honest, it is because those minorities need them. Theres no doubt that some of those groups do more harm than good, but those groups were set up to protect them from our behavior. When I ask youths from minority backgrounds about there futures, what jobs they would like to do ect. They have the same aspirations like you or me, then some will give you stories of relatives who were highly educated, but cant find employment.

This young Asian kid put it to me like this. "Its like a 100 metre race, but in my lane I have 9 hurdles and you have none. with all things being equal I should always win" most interestingly he went on to say "People always give the example of Asians and Blacks who have made it as an example to me. And you will always get exceptional people who get through, but would you constantly enter a race with the odds always stacked against you" when i replied no, he then said "thats why lots of blacks and Asians now dont bother with education. because the course is rigged. so why bother?"

Im not saying this is the feeling among the minority youth of today, but just from this group of 5 youths on the London tube, said alot about our society. That kids of 14-16 realise that some of them wont be given a fair go. The question for some of you reading this is. How many of you would enter a race that is fixed or favorable to other people who don't look like you?

[Sparse1]

Simple fact - if you go to live in a country where you are racially or culturally distinct from the majority population then you and your family will be viewed as outsiders for several generations. If you do anything other than keep your head down and get on with life you will end up the victims of some form of discrimination - even if you are right it will be seen as an outsider interfering. People are tribal, they are insular and they are wary of people who are 'different' (regardless of race), you cannot forcably re-educate them because they will resent it and see it as outsiders threatening them, you just have to give it time and gradually new generations will come through and attitudes will change. In Britain the government has persistently intervened in this issue which has served to further enhance the idea that certain ethnic groups are outsiders. The organisations set-up by certain ethnic groups have also caused damage by giving the impression that they are trying to change things to suit them (even if in many cases when they are just trying to right a wrong).

If you aren't a member of the dominant ethnic group then you will experience discrimination, it's the same in every country and trying to forcably change it means that it will never go away; so long as a group are seen as outsiders then they will be treated with suspicion, fear and ultimately hate. It isn't right but it is something that we all have to just put up with because we keep making things worse by trying to change it.


ARE WE THE RACIST ONES? Regardless of race and religion most people are, yes.

[oatcake]

Basically my opinion is that the government now adays feels that certain minorities will be offended by certain objetcs such as christams lights even though this was a rediclous attempt in making britain a polictical correctness state. But by putting this act in it made christian feel that the minorities can get away with murder and which profolks tentions between the two and thats why racism will come into it.

But then if you look at the fact that if you want extreme muslims out of this country then it's classed as racists, but if the extreme muslim population in this country burn the british flag and what to over take this country then apprently it's not racists.

But i dont feel that it's only the white british or what ever in this country are the racists ones, i would say every one is a racists in a way.

Also you cant say bar bar balck sheep any more it's bar bar rainbow sheep :lol:

According to Blairs Britain :x

[Plato & Socrates]

oatcake wrote: Basically my opinion is that the government now adays feels that certain minorities will be offended by certain objetcs such as christams lights even though this was a rediclous attempt in making britain a polictical correctness state. But by putting this act in it made christian feel that the minorities can get away with murder and which profolks tentions between the two and thats why racism will come into it.

But then if you look at the fact that if you want extreme muslims out of this country then it's classed as racists, but if the extreme muslim population in this country burn the british flag and what to over take this country then apprently it's not racists.

But i dont feel that it's only the white british or what ever in this country are the racists ones, i would say every one is a racists in a way.

Also you cant say bar bar balck sheep any more it's bar bar rainbow sheep :lol:

According to Blairs Britain :x

Oatcake you've been reading to much of the sun and daily mail, half of these alleged political correctnes stories especially the ones coming from brussels are lies. I am far from politically correct just read my posts, but the fact can not be denied that we are the racist one. And everytime we show those attributes, it impinges on the life of a minority. now you can dismiss it if you want, but nevertheless it is a fact.

[oatcake]

Plato & Socrates wrote: oatcake wrote: Basically my opinion is that the government now adays feels that certain minorities will be offended by certain objetcs such as christams lights even though this was a rediclous attempt in making britain a polictical correctness state. But by putting this act in it made christian feel that the minorities can get away with murder and which profolks tentions between the two and thats why racism will come into it.

But then if you look at the fact that if you want extreme muslims out of this country then it's classed as racists, but if the extreme muslim population in this country burn the british flag and what to over take this country then apprently it's not racists.

But i dont feel that it's only the white british or what ever in this country are the racists ones, i would say every one is a racists in a way.

Also you cant say bar bar balck sheep any more it's bar bar rainbow sheep :lol:

According to Blairs Britain :x

Oatcake you've been reading to much of the sun and daily mail, half of these alleged political correctnes stories especially the ones coming from brussels are lies. I am far from politically correct just read my posts, but the fact can not be denied that we are the racist one. And everytime we show those attributes, it impinges on the life of a minority. now you can dismiss it if you want, but nevertheless it is a fact.

:lol:
Fair point i would agree that White british are more racist towards other cultures and other minorities but the same would happen in another country towards outsiders. Racism even though it is bad but will never go away.

[bob.appleyard]

oatcake wrote: Fair point i would agree that White british are more racist towards other cultures and other minorities but the same would happen in another country towards outsiders. Racism even though it is bad but will never go away.

Very sweeping... look at the Fatamid caliphate. Racism is not an immutable fact of human nature -- it is a very strong tendency, though.