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[JoeTrumps]

Massachusetts:

Quote: A steady stream of divorce papers for homosexual couples are being filed. According to the state Registry of Vital Records, at least 4,266 gay marriage certificates have since been issued, and the first divorces were reported 2 months following the initial ceremonies.



One partner was a 33-year-old religious educator from Boston, the other a 39-year-old professor based in Washington. Since then, the couple said in their divorce filing, "our interests have grown in different directions." Each man signed a settlement attesting that the marriage had "irretrievably broken down."

The most difficult part of the settlement appeared to be custody of their three cats, who will live exclusively with the professor.

But "in recognition of the emotional hardship of such relinquishment," the settlement reads, the professor agreed to provide his ex "with periodic updates, photographs, and any health-related information pertaining" to the cats.

http://news.crossmap.com/story/massachusetts-gay-divorces-follow-gay-marriage/1924.htm

I'm sorry, but :rotf: :rotf:

only in america, baby!
all the problems in the world, and this is considered an important issue to some people. Some people elect the most powerful leaders in the free world according to their stance on this issue.

unreal.

[Trajan]

So what.

It has been said that 50% of hetero marraiges end in divorce.

Your point is?

[Silkheat]

Trajan wrote: So what.

It has been said that 50% of hetero marraiges end in divorce.

Your point is?

I think it is more like 60%. One thing is almost certain in marriage and that is divorce. If you are a guy married to a women be prepared for some hard times.

[JoeTrumps]

Trajan wrote: So what.

It has been said that 50% of hetero marraiges end in divorce.

Your point is?

I'd bet good money the divorce % for gays will be higher.
They change partners with much more frequency, and their relationships are much shorter than heterosexuals. and yes, if someboy questions that I will have to dig up the info to back it up.

but I can

[Silkheat]

JoeTrumps wrote: Trajan wrote: So what.

It has been said that 50% of hetero marraiges end in divorce.

Your point is?

I'd bet good money the divorce % for gays will be higher.
They change partners with much more frequency, and their relationships are much shorter than heterosexuals. and yes, if someboy questions that I will have to dig up the info to back it up.

but I can

Really? I have gay friends who have stayed together for over thirty years. Please provide a link...

[Shadow_Realm]

Quote: I'm sorry, but :rotf: :rotf:

only in america, baby!
all the problems in the world, and this is considered an important issue to some people. Some people elect the most powerful leaders in the free world according to their stance on this issue.

unreal.

Hey i'll just say straight out......i voted for bush.

I'm for gay marriage :)

I voted for him because i just didn't plain like Kerry. I really am not going to explain y, this is not the appropriate tread. However i say this because my point is, people didn't just vote for bush because of how he stands on gay marriage. I'll just say i voted for him because his party Claims to be for less government control, which is an oxymoron that they would support government abolishment of gay marriage. The reds may not always come thru with their promise of less government control all the time. However the blue's will surely have no hesitation in government control. Its a lesser of 2 evils for me

[JoeTrumps]

Silkheat wrote: JoeTrumps wrote: Trajan wrote: So what.

It has been said that 50% of hetero marraiges end in divorce.

Your point is?

I'd bet good money the divorce % for gays will be higher.
They change partners with much more frequency, and their relationships are much shorter than heterosexuals. and yes, if someboy questions that I will have to dig up the info to back it up.

but I can

Really? I have gay friends who have stayed together for over thirty years. Please provide a link...

Oh great. just because you know a couple, I have to go dig up the info.

here you go, as if you don't know this isn't common knowledge.

Quote: More than one study shows that breakups among homosexual couples is much greater than among heterosexual couples. Some limited data was included in the first edition of my book A Treatise on the Family, and other studies have been published since then.

http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2005/07/response_on_sam.html

now you are going to make me find the studies, like this is some kind of shock to you.


pulllease. :roll:

[Tono]

A good thing about being married to another guy: When you divorce, you can save on legal expenses and just fight for what you want to leave with. :P

[Melchior]

JoeTrumps is right, gay relationships normally don't last as long as straight ones, homosexuals just go through partners faster.

But... so what? What are you trying to prove?

[AnOpenMind]

We aren't really debating anything here. Just another gay flame thread by ignorant Joetrumps. Mod lock requested.

[Ozzone]

This really has no bearing on the legality of same-sex marriage.

Discrimination should not be based on a statistic. If that was the cause, blacks could easily be discriminated against because of their high numbers involved in crimes.

I am against same-sex marriage, not because of any statistics.

[JoeTrumps]

AnOpenMind wrote: We aren't really debating anything here. Just another gay flame thread by ignorant Joetrumps. Mod lock requested.

skin to thin?
then get out of the forum and find a sewing circle.

I'm just posting facts. why does the truth bother you so much?

[Trajan]

Hephaestus wrote: JoeTrumps is right, gay relationships normally don't last as long as straight ones, homosexuals just go through partners faster.

But... so what? What are you trying to prove?

Not the ones I know.

But what is he trying to prove?

I don't see how gender determines how long a relationship lasts.

[JoeTrumps]

Trajan wrote: Hephaestus wrote: JoeTrumps is right, gay relationships normally don't last as long as straight ones, homosexuals just go through partners faster.

But... so what? What are you trying to prove?

Not the ones I know.

But what is he trying to prove?

I don't see how gender determines how long a relationship lasts.


according to the facts they do. go figure.

[Xourque]

This just goes to show that the ONLY thing that people should be concerned about when it comes to the sanctity of marriage is the DIVORCE RATE.

But no, let’s just try and distract ourselves from the real issue because it's so hard to understand and deal with. So we'll take the easy way out and target the gays.

Oh man the ignorance on this concept just intrigues me to no end!

[JoeTrumps]

Xourque wrote: This just goes to show that the ONLY thing that people should be concerned about when it comes to the sanctity of marriage is the DIVORCE RATE.

But no, let’s just try and distract ourselves from the real issue because it's so hard to understand and deal with. So we'll take the easy way out and target the gays.

Oh man the ignorance on this concept just intrigues me to no end!

the waste of time and space this entire issue s*cks up is what intrigues me.

[AnOpenMind]

First of all Trumpie, this should be in the Lifestyles forum. That's what it's there for, you see. The other thing is that you create these threads not with the intention of having true debate over the topic but with the intention of trying to anger as many people as possible that dont agree with you.
And here's some data I want you to discredit:
Quote: NEWS

Netherlands gay divorce rate equal to heterosexuals

Ross von Metzke | April 08, 2005
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands — According to statistics released by the Dutch government on Monday, the divorce rate of gay and lesbian couples in the Netherlands, where same-sex marriage has been legal since 2001, is nearly identical to that of heterosexual couples.

Of the 5,751 same-sex marriages performed between April 2001 and December 2003, approximately 1-percent, or 63 couples, ended in divorce. During the same period, 243,000 heterosexual couples were married, with 2,800 filing for divorce.

The data, collected from city registers, showed that lesbians were slightly more likely to divorce than gay men, though government officials offered no explanation for that trend.

An expert on demographics from the Netherlands' Central Bureau for Statistics said that, while the data was based on a small sample, it can be interpreted in a number of ways.

According to Jan Laten, since many lesbians and gay men had waited years to marry, same-sex couples with unusually high levels of commitment and stability may be overrepresented.

"The [divorce] rate could just as well be 2 percent next year," he said.

On the other hand, Laten said the same-sex couples who married were more likely to have dual incomes and no children. Straight couples who fit that profile are generally at higher risk for divorce.

The low divorce rate challenges the popular opinion of many evangelical conservatives who believe the legalization of same-sex marriage will endanger the sanctity of marriage in the United States, Jason Cianciotto, research director at the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute said in a statement to the press.

"They talk about how the end of Western civilization is going to come when gay and lesbian people are allowed to marry," he told the PlanetOut Network. "Well, the sky didn't fall. These data make them look like the liars that they are."

In the United States, the state with the lowest divorce rate is Massachusetts, the only state so far to have legalized same-sex marriage. No statistics have been compiled about divorce among same-sex couples married there.

The Netherlands and Belgium are the only two countries that grant full marriage rights to same-sex couples, though Belgium still prohibits those couples from adopting children. The Netherlands is currently reviewing legislation to allow gay and lesbian couples to adopt children from other countries. Dutch couples who adopt tend to adopt foreign children, a right still limited to heterosexual couples.

[Xourque]

JoeTrumps wrote: Xourque wrote: This just goes to show that the ONLY thing that people should be concerned about when it comes to the sanctity of marriage is the DIVORCE RATE.

But no, let’s just try and distract ourselves from the real issue because it's so hard to understand and deal with. So we'll take the easy way out and target the gays.

Oh man the ignorance on this concept just intrigues me to no end!

the waste of time and space this entire issue s*cks up is what intrigues me.

NO s**t!

[Melchior]

JoeTrumps wrote: AnOpenMind wrote: We aren't really debating anything here. Just another gay flame thread by ignorant Joetrumps. Mod lock requested.

skin to thin?
then get out of the forum and find a sewing circle.

I'm just posting facts. why does the truth bother you so much?

Oh... here we go...

"I'm just posting the facts, I have absolutely no intention or agenda behind my pattern of mindless threads what-so-ever, I swear" :crsd:

[Melchior]

JoeTrumps wrote: the waste of time and space this entire issue s*cks up is what intrigues me.

Then why did you start two threads on this subject??? :lol:

In the P&G forum no less.