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[Classically Liberal]

PricklySponge wrote: well this party s*cks

Comrade Guihermo wrote: Wow, I didn't know we had Nazis on this forum. Be honest with me, are you serious?

Black Flag wrote: Oh my friend.. you have gotten you're parties all mixed up! Here let me help you.. what you're looking for is the www.americanfascistparty.com Laughing

Snow Patrol wrote: Apart from the environmental points there's nothing i agree with here.

Interesting that lefties launch a full frontal assult on thread.

Quote: Tariffs and Trade- Our workers first. We will join no free trade agreements or sacrifice soverignty in the name of trade.

Quote: Gun Control- No gun control, except for felons.

Quote: Energy- Promoted alternative energy by giving tax cuts to car companies who sell large amounts of hydrogen cars.

Quote: Environment- Protect all unnecessary destruction of environment. Creation of national forests and landmarks.

Can we take this to mean, as a general rule, that lefties are against the working class, support corporate regionalism, do not trust those other than the state with firearms, dislike alternate energy, and loathe the environment (save Snow Patrol)?

[Kalu]

Classically Liberal wrote: Interesting that lefties launch a full frontal assult on [this] thread.

Yes, it really is interesting that so many leftists hate fascism.

[PricklySponge]

no.. see, this is the problem. This party s*cks

[PricklySponge]

THE SPONGE PARTY

bwahahah


Abortion: Abortion shall be permitted in the first and second trimester of the pregnancy.

Military spending: The military will focus spending on communications, technilogical research, and Special Forces training and equipping. It will cut back on recruiting costs. If the case of international incident that causes a direct threat towards the Union, a draft shall be instituted immediately to defend the homeland.

Gambling: Gambling a valuable source of revenue for the government, and will help to ease the burden on American families. Gambling shall be legal. But it shall be highly regulated to minimize and stop corruption.

Gun control: No official position on this hot button issue

Health care: All legal immigrants and US citizens shall receive free health care. Illegal immigrants will also receive health care but shall be deported after medical treatment has been completed.

Immigration: The border with Mexico shall be completely sealed off as will all borders. All people who wish to come to the US legally will be permitted, except for individuals who have ‘undesirable’ histories (i.e.: terrorists, people with recent murder conviction, rapists)

Pornography: All pornography between consenting adults shall be permitted

Punishment: drug related crimes will be rehabilitation first, incarceration second. Murder and major crimes of that nature shall have harsher sentences. Not all convicted criminals are actually guilty; the death penalty will be abolished.

Welfare: Welfare will take the shape of job training, free school lunches, food stamps, and homeless shelters. Monetary support will be minimal. If the poor is not actively searching for job, all welfare will cease. The poor's children will always be taken care of.

Illegal drugs: Marijuana is legal in the home. The allowance of other drugs is debatable and varies within the party.

Education: Education in this country is not up to standards and should have more funding to educate the sons and daughters of America.

Tariffs and Trade- Our workers first. We will join no free trade agreements or sacrifice sovereignty in the name of trade.

Taxes: Tax the rich heavily to compensate for minimal taxing of the middle and lower class. Large companies and monopolies shall be taxed extremely heavily.

Terrorism and Personal Liberty- Religious and racial profiling are legal and encouraged. No government laws prohibiting liberty of law abiding citizens, ever

Energy- Promoted alternative energy by giving tax cuts and subsidize car companies who sell large amounts of hydrogen cars and other eco friendly cars

Environment- Protect all unnecessary destruction of environment.

Supranational organizations- We shall call for the reform of the UN and will continue to improve our relations with fellow NATO countries.

Foreign Aid: Foreign aid shall be distributed among countries to support emerging democratic governments, and the earths third world population living in poverty.

Gay marriage: The government will have no say in gay marriage. But will recognize civil unions between gays.

Free enterprise: Companies will not be allowed to hire workers based on race, sex, or religion

comments?

[Sid]

wilson wrote: Abortion- Murder is murder, even when it is a medical procedure. Only in the case of rape or incest will it be allowed.

I agree here whole heartedly, but you forgot to add if endangers the Baby's or the Mother's life.
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Defense-The Armed Forces will be as powerful as possible. They will never serve under any foreign command and we will have no military bases in foreign countries.

Erm. I think we should have military presence in our ally's countries.
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Gambling- Gambling promotes crime and immorality. There will be no government support of it.

's not your money, and please prove how it promotes crime?
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Gun Control- No gun control, except for felons.

Agree for the most part.
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Health Care- Fully privatized.

Agree for the most part (Should be a safety net, but if you could concievably afford it, you should pay for it)
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Immigration- No immigration from nondeveloped countries.

.... Someone needs to take your face and shove it up against the statue of liberty.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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Pornography- Immoral and degrading. It shall be illegal.
Erm. As long as the dude next door closes the windows, I don't really mind, of course, I also don't think it should be shoved on someone like it is on the net. Quote:
Punishment- Punishment over rehabilitation. Do the crime, do the time. Capital punishment will be legal.
For the most part, I agree here.
Welfare- Only a safety net for the poorest of the poor. The best welfare is getting a job. Those on welfare must get a job withing 12 months or have their checks continued.
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I'm assuming you mean "Discontinued", sounds reasonable, though there should be some sort of extra net for someone with say 5 kids.

Illegal Drugs- No illegal drugs.
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.... :-| No illegal drugs. That doesn't define what's legal or illegal. Anyway, what's legal should stay legal, and what's illegal (with the exception of Marijuana, assuming it had heavy restrictions) should stay illegal.

Education- Money recieved for education shall be redistributed in the form of vouchers to allow parents to choice private schools for their children.
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Sounds do-able.

Tariffs and Trade- Our workers first. We will join no free trade agreements or sacrifice soverignty in the name of trade.
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Agree

Taxes- Sales tax only.
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Yes

Terrorism and Personal Liberty- Religious and racial profiling is legal and encouraged. No government laws prohibiting liberty of law abiding citizens.
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But doesn't raciel profiling prohibit the liberty of some law abiding citizens? You make it sound like only certain races commit crimes... Trust me, no matter what hue, someone with that skin color has commited a crime.
Energy- Promoted alternative energy by giving tax cuts to car companies who sell large amounts of hydrogen cars.
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Erm, I'd say fund research for alternate sources of electricity (Nuclear, Wind, Thermal, Solar, Etc.)

Environment- Protect all unnecessary destruction of environment. Creation of national forests and landmarks.
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The environment should be held precious, so I agree.

Supranational organizations- We shall belong to no supranational organizations or permanent military alliances.
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Indeed

Foreign Aid- We will provide no financial, military, or economic aid to any foreign country or supranational organizations.
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... No, I believe that if someone gets hit by say a tsunami or maybe an earthquake, it's our moral duty to assist them in their time of need, much like it would be their duty to assist us in our time of need.

Gay Marriage- No gay marriages or civil unions shall be recognized.
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Gay's have heard it a thousand times before, homosexuality is a sin. It's their problem if they won't listen. Make it legal, keep it behind doors (frankly, I find two guys making out rather digusting)

Free Entreprise- The government shall make no law telling business who they can and cannot hire and fire.
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Almost. No aff action. Someone should be able to sue if he has been fired on the basis of race or sex (religion is fine, he can controll that)
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_______________________

Globalization is invetible in 2005 just like socialism was invetible in 1917. We seek a fully independent country that protects its own soverignty while not treading on that of others. We will always place the interest of our workers over those of foreign workers. We will always place the interest of our soldiers over those of foreign soldiers. We will always place the interest of our companies over those of multi national corporations.

The biggest cleavages of our times are race and religion in close quaters. As a Christian, I am called by Jesus to be a peacemaker, and sometimes, seperation is the only solution for peace. Join me, and fight for the only type of peace that can last, peace among equal, independent nations.

-Sam Wilson
Chairman of the Political Crossfire National Party

No thanks.

Edit - whatever, screw searching through the quote thing, everyone can understand what I said.

[Classically Liberal]

Devaka wrote: Classically Liberal wrote: Interesting that lefties launch a full frontal assult on [this] thread.

Yes, it really is interesting that so many leftists hate fascism.

No, its interesting that they reject workers and the Environment and that they support corporate regionalism. It's either that or they are quick to judge and didnt bother to fully read the thread. Either way it provides some insight. :wink:

[TheGirlNextDoor]

It would be really nice if we could work on the two BIGGEST issues first, and THEN worry about the rest of the seeming "political" issues - that really, IMO, shouldn't even BE political issues in the first place (abortion - gay marriage).

How about cutting spending/reducing the public debt and dramatically reducing the federal government.

Over simplistic? Could be. But this haranging on alll these "issues" isn't getting us anywhere. There needs to be some huge governmental changes before we can even BEGIN to worry and/or work on all these "side" issues.

[Kalu]

Classically Liberal wrote: Devaka wrote: Classically Liberal wrote: Interesting that lefties launch a full frontal assult on [this] thread.

Yes, it really is interesting that so many leftists hate fascism.

No, its interesting that they reject workers and the Environment and that they support corporate regionalism. It's either that or they are quick to judge and didnt bother to fully read the thread. Either way it provides some insight. :wink:

"Reject workers"? You lost me after that idiotic comment. Pull your head out of the ground. Most of the Left is against ethnocentrism, racism and hypernationalism; which is what this party purports. So in essence, the great majority of the Left is against fascism. If you don't understand it yet, I'm afraid you never will. :wink:

You know, it's hilariously ironic that you have a quote by Tom Paine, a great secularist and anti-authoritarian, in your signature. You do realize he'd be against a fascist, racist police state, right? I don't believe legislating morality to such an extreme degree would be his cup of tea either, as you seem to wish. :lol:

[DarkMerlin]

This thread is wack, gees.

[PricklySponge]

Classically Liberal wrote: Devaka wrote: Classically Liberal wrote: Interesting that lefties launch a full frontal assult on [this] thread.

Yes, it really is interesting that so many leftists hate fascism.

No, its interesting that they reject workers and the Environment and that they support corporate regionalism. It's either that or they are quick to judge and didnt bother to fully read the thread. Either way it provides some insight. :wink: Please. That party is just your typical right wing republican party, but with a few issues that it goes moderate on to appease liberals :roll:

[Soldier of Humanity]

no illeagle drugs eh so are you saying people cant do stuf thats illeagle...genius

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

wilson wrote: The official Manifesto of the Political Crossfire National Party, published October 9, 2005:

Abortion- Murder is murder, even when it is a medical procedure. Only in the case of rape or incest will it be allowed.

Defense-The Armed Forces will be as powerful as possible. They will never serve under any foreign command and we will have no military bases in foreign countries.

Gambling- Gambling promotes crime and immorality. There will be no government support of it.

Gun Control- No gun control, except for felons.

Health Care- Fully privatized.

Immigration- No immigration from nondeveloped countries.

Pornography- Immoral and degrading. It shall be illegal.

Punishment- Punishment over rehabilitation. Do the crime, do the time. Capital punishment will be legal.

Welfare- Only a safety net for the poorest of the poor. The best welfare is getting a job. Those on welfare must get a job withing 12 months or have their checks continued.

Illegal Drugs- No illegal drugs.

Education- Money recieved for education shall be redistributed in the form of vouchers to allow parents to choice private schools for their children.

Tariffs and Trade- Our workers first. We will join no free trade agreements or sacrifice soverignty in the name of trade.

Taxes- Sales tax only.

Terrorism and Personal Liberty- Religious and racial profiling is legal and encouraged. No government laws prohibiting liberty of law abiding citizens.

Energy- Promoted alternative energy by giving tax cuts to car companies who sell large amounts of hydrogen cars.

Environment- Protect all unnecessary destruction of environment. Creation of national forests and landmarks.

Supranational organizations- We shall belong to no supranational organizations or permanent military alliances.

Foreign Aid- We will provide no financial, military, or economic aid to any foreign country or supranational organizations.

Gay Marriage- No gay marriages or civil unions shall be recognized.

Free Entreprise- The government shall make no law telling business who they can and cannot hire and fire.

_______________________

Globalization is invetible in 2005 just like socialism was invetible in 1917. We seek a fully independent country that protects its own soverignty while not treading on that of others. We will always place the interest of our workers over those of foreign workers. We will always place the interest of our soldiers over those of foreign soldiers. We will always place the interest of our companies over those of multi national corporations.

The biggest cleavages of our times are race and religion in close quaters. As a Christian, I am called by Jesus to be a peacemaker, and sometimes, seperation is the only solution for peace. Join me, and fight for the only type of peace that can last, peace among equal, independent nations.

-Sam Wilson
Chairman of the Political Crossfire National Party

Deja Vu

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[Citizen of Canuckistan]

Now I do not agree with your pro facist national party so I am going to detail what I believe is an effective Canadian alternative to the dithering right wing parties, minus the NDP they are a dithering center left wing party.

Debt: Number 1 priority is to pay off the national debt as soon as possible to free up additional funds without increasing taxes or incuring debt.

Military Spending: Increase dramaticaly by expanding the Canadian Land Forces to over 100,000 regulars and about 50,000 reservists. I do not know how large our Navy and Airforce is but the should expand as well. In the case of the Airforce using russian made fighter jets which are cheaper and as effective if used properly.

Health Care: Nationalization inorder to make the system less cumbersome. Instead of pumping money into a system that is broken negotiate with the provinces in order to allow the federal government to run one homogeneous system. The exception, as always, will be quebec and they will be allowed to continue to operate as is as long as they agree to national organ donor and blood donor lists.

Environment: I do not know alot about this but there should be increased efforts by the federal government to punish chronic polluters. We cannot allow people to exploit our country. Also, Canada should persue a vigorous alternative fuels reasearch policy and impliment it as soon as feasible.

Abortion: Allowed as is.

Quebec Sepratism: As before let them hold a referendum and support the NON side through whatever legal means possible. If they vote Oui proceed to take all federal property, including arms and money from the provinces coffers. Do not allow this new state any breaks and demand another referendum in regions that a majority voted NON. If Quebec denies this request occupy the borders of this region and reestablish RCMP policing in the areas. Do not allow this state to share Canadian currency, army, embassies, trade agreements and force them to accept their share of the debt.

Gun Controll: Increased sentances for those comitting crimes with guns.

Gay Marriage: Allow civil unions but do not force priests to marry them.

Economic Policy: Persue a more independant trade agenda. It is unhealthy for a country to trade almost exclusively with one country. We will not be economic prostitues anymore. Fight back if the US decides to ignore NAFTA by imlementing tarrifs to get our money back. Friends don't steal $5 billion from one another.

Foreign Policy: Restart the Canadian tradition of sending peacekeepers on every UN mission. Pursue a closer relationship with our European Allies and try to repair the wounds caused by the Iraq war. End Hans Island dispute in our favor by landing a force of Canadian troops on the Island for training purposes and building Navy ice breakers.

Nationalization: Encourage the renationalization of utilities in the provinces by offering to assist in the purchase of BC hydro, or whatever they call it now, et al. Stop the export of water to the US, we cannot sell a comodity as valueble as water and reimburse Quebec in the short term if they make any fuss. Rail and ports should be nationalized so that they can decrease their price as much as possible. Their goal will not be to make a profit but to offer the low cost transport of goods in Canada and to the world. Canada might not beable to compete with the third world in terms of wages but we can ensure that our infastructure is second to none.

Gambling, Pornography: not even issues.

Terrorism: Assist in the search for Terrorists that threaten Canada or our allies. Do not get involved in US lead witch hunts.

Unions and workers rights: Investigate rumors of corruption in unions using whatever means are available. Treat federal unions with respect and do not allow strikes to occur if at all possible.

As you all can see this party is a differnet kind of party than your national party. This party's overall goal is to strengthen Canada's role in the world, economicaly and politicaly.

[fourtysixandtwo]

wuh wuh wuh wait, abortion is murder bt you allow it in "special cases." I thought it was murder according to this?

[Don Quixote]

Worst party ever... only the National Socialists would go for this.

[Akuma]

The Nationals forgot to add :

You must always have your Hitler doll within arm's reach.

[Deus]

This seems to be one of the "better" parties....
























BETTER get a bucket, i think im gonna throw up.

[PricklySponge]

but my party pwnz huh? :hy:

[Deus]

PricklySponge wrote: but my party pwnz huh? :hy:

Offcourse, Im sure you will be elected.


Then i can perform a Coup d'etat with my PARTY.

I will rally the biggest popular support KNOWN TO MAN!!!


The "GOD" party "Global Omipotence of Deus"

My program:
* Everyone will work to make Deus emperor of the galaxy.

* Free BEER

apendix:

*All your base are belong to us

[Red Flag]

Deus wrote: This seems to be one of the "better" parties....
























BETTER get a bucket, i think im gonna throw up. :lol: