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Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6788 Location: Ohio

In Greece, women were married and having kids by 13... In OUR society, early sex is considered bad. Can't say I agree with it, though, as long as the participants are smart.

butterscotch.n.toffee · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 32

but don't you find the thought of your children (if any) disturbing that by the age of 14 they could have already started their own family?

yes and some younger (in other cultures and religions) just the fact that kids are having sex at younger and younger ages because what they were raised to believe that it is right.. it may be nothing "new" but it doesn't make it right.. does it? :???:

butterscotch.n.toffee · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 32

i dont think our society considers it bad but it's looked down upon.. i definately don't agree with it
"as long as the participants are smart." and they know all that can happen..

Doowstados · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 272

i dont think them being smart about the subject makes it okay, especially because there isnt all that much that can happen apart from mental pain and mockery, but it being nothing new definetly doesnt mean it is okay because of all the mental stress invloved.

LITTLE-ImPeRfEcT-ME · Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 1

being smart doesn't make it okay.
its more of the sense of right and wrong not smarts. it may seem right at that time but what if the girl ends up pregnant? these twelve and thirteen year-olds would be too young to support these kids all by themselves so they'd rely on the parents to support them. is it the parents responsibility to help these kids when it was their choice and mistake to have sex BEFORE they were financially and probably mentally ready?

OK next.
we know teens these days do more than some people believe is "right" so what sexual activities are OK?

Doowstados · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 272

we arent talking abt a guy and a girl we are talking about kids coming out of the closet sooner.

Doowstados · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 272

get back on topic people.

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22873

Praetorian wrote: Politically_Correct wrote: It's unacceptable and morally wrong. It's sick. Gay is happy. Sodomy is sick.

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So lesbians are okay then, under that rule. Since they don't have to partake in sodomy...

Morally wrong? Who's morals are we talking about?

Sodomy is basically defined as un-natrual sex.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sodomy&x=0&y=0

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8771

John wrote: Praetorian wrote: Politically_Correct wrote: It's unacceptable and morally wrong. It's sick. Gay is happy. Sodomy is sick.

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So lesbians are okay then, under that rule. Since they don't have to partake in sodomy...

Morally wrong? Who's morals are we talking about?

Sodomy is basically defined as un-natrual sex.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sodomy&x=0&y=0

Are you really going to play the semantics game over this?

milo1047 · Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 1138

UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: Praetorian wrote: Politically_Correct wrote: It's unacceptable and morally wrong. It's sick. Gay is happy. Sodomy is sick.

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So lesbians are okay then, under that rule. Since they don't have to partake in sodomy...

Morally wrong? Who's morals are we talking about?

Sodomy is basically defined as un-natrual sex.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sodomy&x=0&y=0

Are you really going to play the semantics game over this?

John always plays the semantics game.

Doowstados · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 272

this wasnt even about whether being gay or lesbian is ok, but about them determining their sexuality at younger ages, once again i would like to ask you to get back on topic.

ricarn · Joined: 24 Jun 2004 Posts: 45 Location: Geneseo, NY

I don't think that kids are realizing their sexual orientation earlier. I think society is becoming more excepting of homosexuals, so the kids feel more comfortable coming out earlier.

Doowstados · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 272

many are too young to even realize what sexuality they are though, this is the problem. the are also declaring it, without knowing the mental effects it can have on a young mind from all the mockery it brings. and i think the word u are looking for is accepting not expecting, because nobody expects people to be homosexual :P

Doowstados · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 272

what sexual orientation they are* i hope to god they know theyre sexuality lol

F'losrix · Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:50 am Post subject:

Doowstados wrote: many are too young to even realize what sexuality they are though, this is the problem.
I disagree. Many gay kids know they're gay before the sexual element of that comes to the forefront. The problem here is the misnomer, 'sexual orientation'. It isn't actually a sexual orientation - sex is just the manifestation of it. What it is, is a strength of attraction toward persons of the same gender. That attraction isn't entirely sexual. Some people know they feel that long before the attraction develops a sexual element. For some, the onset of sexual interests that accompany development in adolescence just makes the difference 'gel' for them - they finally realize that there's a name for what they've been feeling, even if that name wrongly puts all of the emphasis on the sexual element of their orientation.

I knew that I 'liked' other boys (and not girls) long before I became sexually interested in peers of the same gender in adolescence. Heck, other kids (who were heterosexual) were asking me if I was gay before I even knew there was a word for it. You might say my difference of interest was readily apparent. I'm not speaking of stereotypical behavior here, merely saying that it was easy to observe that I paid a different sort of interest to other boys that I didn't show toward girls. The eyes are what really give a person away. Want to know if someone is gay? Ignore all of their other behavior and watch their eyes - notice which gender their eyes seem to follow and whether they make longer eye contact with people of their own gender.

Quote: the are also declaring it, without knowing the mental effects it can have on a young mind from all the mockery it brings.
Perhaps somewhat true, but I think the other poster is on the right track - kids aren't turning gay in greater numbers or even necessarily realizing it sooner - they're simply acknowledging it sooner because it's not kept as hushed up as before. Some elements of society are becoming more accepting, but there's a long way to go.

Doowstados · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 272

ill agree with you then because you have personal expierience(no pun intended) i respect the fact you admit it.

butterscotch.n.toffee · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 32

any one who can admit that they TRULY are
with the ridicule from their parents are so strong

my friend she recently "came out of the closet"
her parents made her break up with her
girlfriend
the other students dont have their own lives so
they talk about others..

all i can say is forget those who talk about you
just because you're different..

but as i said before many at my school also do it for attention which i find kinda dumb trying to get it that way..

Doowstados · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 272

kinda dumb? they must be lunatics.

MarshalPetain · Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 16 Location: Here

Quote: In 1997, there were approximately 100 gay-straight alliances -- clubs for gay and gay-friendly kids on US High school campuses. Today there are at least 3,000 GSAs -- nearly 1 in 10 high schools has one, the magazine quoted the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network (GLSEN) a saying.

These Gay-Straight alliances by many are perceived to be a good thing, however, this is not so. High school students in particular are cruel and vile beasts (thats a hyperbole, to inform the groundlings), this new Gay-Straight alliances only serve to create an easy target for the cruel and hateful nature of biggotted high schoolers. The GSA groups may attempt to create an atmosphere of confidentiality for those who are not entirely open, this creates a grave problem. The GSA in many schools is a target of ridicule and humiliation, and their existence only serves to concentrate a group effort of such, they can even expose young BGLT students as a target for violence. Such groups should not be associated with schools, they should be formed outside the sphere of hatred in order to protect those involved with them.
The worst effect of the GSA groups is their suprising ability to deter students from coming out. Students witness the ridicule and debasement that those involved with such groups endure and thusly are consumed by fear of the actions of their peers. School-associated GSA groups are dangerous to BGLT youth.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8771

MarshalPetain wrote: Quote: In 1997, there were approximately 100 gay-straight alliances -- clubs for gay and gay-friendly kids on US High school campuses. Today there are at least 3,000 GSAs -- nearly 1 in 10 high schools has one, the magazine quoted the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network (GLSEN) a saying.

These Gay-Straight alliances by many are perceived to be a good thing, however, this is not so. High school students in particular are cruel and vile beasts (thats a hyperbole, to inform the groundlings), this new Gay-Straight alliances only serve to create an easy target for the cruel and hateful nature of biggotted high schoolers. The GSA groups may attempt to create an atmosphere of confidentiality for those who are not entirely open, this creates a grave problem. The GSA in many schools is a target of ridicule and humiliation, and their existence only serves to concentrate a group effort of such, they can even expose young BGLT students as a target for violence. Such groups should not be associated with schools, they should be formed outside the sphere of hatred in order to protect those involved with them.
The worst effect of the GSA groups is their suprising ability to deter students from coming out. Students witness the ridicule and debasement that those involved with such groups endure and thusly are consumed by fear of the actions of their peers. School-associated GSA groups are dangerous to BGLT youth.

I agree, which may be odd coming from a gay man. However, I find issue with groups such as GSAs that serve to further segregate gay teens, adults, etc from the community in which they live and interact.

For example, I was furious when I learned about The Harvey Milk School. Sure, it sounds like a good idea on the surface: provide GLBT youth with an accepting environment in which to learn. However, what next? The Harvey Milk University? The Harvey Milk Employment Agency? Being gay can be very tough, yes. But, segregating GLBT youth from the society in which they will later have to live is not a help.

In order to get along in society, you have to learn to cope and deal with the less pleasent aspects of life. Gay men and women will ALWAYS have to deal with homophobic individuals, hatred, and possible retaliation from an unaccepting portion of society. Sheltering them at the most critical time in their lives does not help, just delays the inevitable.