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[Enoch]

Canada_rocks wrote: /ATTENTION MODERATORS

Why do the Mods tolerate this bozo day after day. You supended him before, why don't you ban him for good. his disgrace seems to excalate. Everybody who has read this and I have talken to concurs. These posting are worthy of those unregulated forums that consists of blatant racist attacks and profanity ridden sexist and bigotted remarks. (you know, the ones that people leave once they get fed up and come here for logical and reasonable debate and discusion). We all might say stupid crap sometimes but nothing even equal to 1/10 the garbage that MWM1331 spews on a regular basis.

If you don't respond to this post with your thoughts I will post it in the forum. He has deeply affended some of the posters, in fact, I am sure anybody would be affended if they read his posts.

Thank You.

Consider this my vote of approval.

[Ben_Huh]

Canada_rocks wrote: /ATTENTION MODERATORS

Why do the Mods tolerate this bozo day after day. You supended him before, why don't you ban him for good. his disgrace seems to excalate. Everybody who has read this and I have talken to concurs. These posting are worthy of those unregulated forums that consists of blatant racist attacks and profanity ridden sexist and bigotted remarks. (you know, the ones that people leave once they get fed up and come here for logical and reasonable debate and discusion). We all might say stupid crap sometimes but nothing even equal to 1/10 the garbage that MWM1331 spews on a regular basis.

If you don't respond to this post with your thoughts I will post it in the forum. He has deeply affended some of the posters, in fact, I am sure anybody would be affended if they read his posts.

Thank You.

I call bulls**t........I would never say anything on these forums that would display what MWM said, however, forgive him if he doesn't fit the status quo of not being politically correct when it comes to homosexuals.

Quote: We all might say stupid crap sometimes but nothing even equals to 1/10 the garbage that MWM1331 spews on a regular basis.

Are you kidding me? Dookiestix claimed that me and my fellow soldiers sodomized Iraqi children without any evidence; I was told I f**k my mom by Trent1......

[Canada_Rocks]

Quote: I call bulls**t........I would never say anything on these forums that would display what MWM said, however, forgive him if he doesn't fit the status quo of not being politically correct when it comes to homosexuals.

This isn't up for debate. Let him go say politically incorrect and derogatory things in another forum.

[Enoch]

Ben_Huh wrote: Canada_rocks wrote: /ATTENTION MODERATORS

Why do the Mods tolerate this bozo day after day. You supended him before, why don't you ban him for good. his disgrace seems to excalate. Everybody who has read this and I have talken to concurs. These posting are worthy of those unregulated forums that consists of blatant racist attacks and profanity ridden sexist and bigotted remarks. (you know, the ones that people leave once they get fed up and come here for logical and reasonable debate and discusion). We all might say stupid crap sometimes but nothing even equal to 1/10 the garbage that MWM1331 spews on a regular basis.

If you don't respond to this post with your thoughts I will post it in the forum. He has deeply affended some of the posters, in fact, I am sure anybody would be affended if they read his posts.

Thank You.

I call bulls**t........I would never say anything on these forums that would display what MWM said, however, forgive him if he doesn't fit the status quo of not being politically correct when it comes to homosexuals.

Quote: We all might say stupid crap sometimes but nothing even equals to 1/10 the garbage that MWM1331 spews on a regular basis.

Are you kidding me? Dookiestix claimed that me and my fellow soldiers sodomized Iraqi children without any evidence; I was told I f**k my mom by Trent1......

Would you be defending people for throwing around racial slurs and making bold, horribly offensive, generalizations about a racial group? Face it, derogatory remarks are wholly inappropriate regardless of the group at which they are aimed.

Or do you actually agree with mwm?

Comments like the ones he made are on par with words like "n*gger* or "sp*c." They are inappropriate, offensive, meant only to cause emotional harm to another person or group of people, and have NO PLACE in a discussion.

Personally, I think a suspension is far too light. But, that is the admins and mods decision to make, not mine. I do support CR's assertions though.

[Ben_Huh]

Quote: This isn't up for debate. Let him go say politically incorrect and derogatory things in another forum.

So will I see you so adamantly try and get Dookie or Trent banned next time they spout of s**t like "You sodomize children?" If not, you know the word used to describe such actions.

So you want to make PCF a bastion of political correctness, eh?

Trent1 wrote: I can't believe that 28% think we are headed in the right direction!

Who are these dumb asses?

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39644&highlight=

Disease wrote: Oops...looks like ol' Rush is back on the hillbilly heroin; apparently he thinks that Sheehan is running for office.

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40212&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&no_ignore=1

Euro wrote: "The Redneck Vote"

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39011&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

And we all know about Liberalman..... :roll:

Have fun...... :wink:

Quote: Would you be defending people for throwing around racial slurs and making bold, horribly offensive, generalizations about a racial group? Face it, derogatory remarks are wholly inappropriate regardless of the group at which they are aimed.

He undoubtly made some bad remarks.

Quote: Or do you actually agree with mwm?

He was politically incorrect on the wrong forum; His post clearly did not follow the rules; I called more BS on Canada since I never see him pounce on others for making rude comments that rank up here with these.

Quote: Comments like the ones he made are on par with words like "n*gger* or "sp*c." They are inappropriate, offensive, meant only to cause emotional harm to another person or group of people, and have NO PLACE in a discussion.

Try being accused of sodomizing children with no evidence and have Canada say nothing....... :wink: Harm all around.

Quote: Personally, I think a suspension is far too light. But, that is the admins and mods decision to make, not mine. I do support CR's assertions though.

I do as well, but I think if he's going to play PCF cop, he should be more diverse.....

[Canada_Rocks]

Quote: I do as well, but I think if he's going to play PCF cop, he should be more diverse.....

I would, but I only have seen what MWM has wrote. And by far, he is the worst.

If somebody said somebody sodomized children I didnt see that post. Besides, if it was Dookie, he really isnt a flamer. If he did say something, he should get a warning and move on. (now I will explain further why MWM is different. (and no, it isnt becasue MWM is a conservative) I have no problem with any conservatives on this bord, ecept people (who may happen to be conservatives or even Liberal alike) who attack people, who belittle them, and to throw around insults that belong on some savage teenage angst forum where people discuss why chinese people suck, and why gays are from hell, ..ETC ETC ETC and swear every second word.

Note: Those quotes you made of other arent very harsh. They are petty name calling and blank gernerizations
You may be affended by them I don't know, I am not making excuses for other peoples behavior..but MWM is the subject.

I am not basing my complaint souly on these gay bashing threads of MWM's. If you read his posts. He calls people Idiot, Child, or moron in almost every single one. I am too lazy to look them up, but I am sure countless people can vouche for me. We all might generalize rednecks or whatever. Poeple call me a "seal Basher" or Socialist idiot all the time. it is part of the territory. I call people Neo-cons, they call me Libs, Lefties, Socialists and add "eh" to the end of their sentences to mock me. And I dont care, its casual joshing. But calling people "**** suckers" and "ass ****ers" "the cops will protect me before they protect you" people dont care about you" and so forth, and taunting people at every turn is a whole different matter. Something that many here don't want to endure. Ask trajan about the name calling. ask cool chick. ask anybody that has ever been on the recieving end of one of MWM's arguments.

BTW, it has nothing to to with political correctness, if anything we discussed was poltically correct, we wouldnt be calling them "gays", we'd call them "homosexuals", we wouldnt be calling eachother "righties" or "lefties" we wouldnt be calling African Americans "blacks" and we wouldnt be having any political discusions, especially heated ones EVER, we'd sit here not wanting to step on peoples toes. There is a difference between Political correctness, casual debate and full out derogatory abuse.

You wouldnt believe how many newbies that come here have shown up becasue they used to post in a forum full of personal attacks and unproductive hate. People come to Political crossfire becasue if is an active forum full of politcally charged, relatively polite, and intelligent people. lets keep it like that.

[F'losrix]

To Ben Huh:

If you have a problem with a specific poster on Crossfire because you believe their remarks violate the terms of service, report the post to the mods & admins - click the icon with the '!' with the text 'report post' next to it. It's that simple.

As to MWM, I agree that he should be tossed completely, as this isn't an isolated instance. But concerns about that should be handled via the procedure for reporting posts as detailed above or through PM with a mod or admin. I know they don't always respond quickly - they have lives just like the rest of us. If you PM one of them and get totally ignored, try another - the first one might be on vacation or otherwise indisposed.

I've lived long enough with this crap to develop a pretty thick skin. Doesn't mean I won't report it when it happens though - the idea being that we want to keep the environment on Crossfire friendly without becoming so politically correct that we can't discuss anything. Namecalling like the kind of stuff MWM did in this thread can't be tolerated or Crossfire will become indistinguishable from the countless other forums that are little more than shouting matches to see who can offend whom the most.

That said, it would be pointless to pounce on members for any little slip of the tongue. You have to consider context and motive. MWM's motive here was pretty clear - he was trying to create a hostile environment by acting like a bully. Obviously there are people on both sides of the political fence that engage in this. You may rest assured that when I do encounter such things, regardless of whether or not I consider the person a political ally, I do report it. From that point it's up to the mods & admins to deal with it.

Can we get back on topic now?

[JustMe]

Trajan wrote: Canada_rocks wrote: /ATTENTION MODERATORS

Why do the Mods tolerate this bozo day after day. You supended him before, why don't you ban him for good. his disgrace seems to excalate. Everybody who has read this and I have talken to concurs. These posting are worthy of those unregulated forums that consists of blatant racist attacks and profanity ridden sexist and bigotted remarks. (you know, the ones that people leave once they get fed up and come here for logical and reasonable debate and discusion). We all might say stupid crap sometimes but nothing even equal to 1/10 the garbage that MWM1331 spews on a regular basis.

If you don't respond to this post with your thoughts I will post it in the forum. He has deeply affended some of the posters, in fact, I am sure anybody would be affended if they read his posts.

Thank You.

I agree.

I agree as well.

[mwm1331]

Still here you thin skinned little whiners.
Now why is it its OK to ridicule "neo-cons" but not Homosexuals?
Cause neocons are men and can take it.
Homosexuals?
Thin skinned, whiney, crying, whinging little things.

[Sailor Moon]

I dont support people who hate. Violence is wrong, whether its verbal or physical.

I have had many gay friends, and a gay experience myself. In fact, I kissed several women on top of the homosexual experience I had with a friend.

I support gay rights, as far as insurance goes, but I dont think marriage should be necessary.

Gay is a lifestyle choice, also, I think, but its not a sexuality issue. I cant stop people from practicing sodomy, but I can tell them this:

I had sex with a male friend once and it was very uncomfortable.

I had sex with a female friend once and IT was very uncomfortable.

I think women are very attractive, and its nive to look at them and touch them, even, but to use that to define me as a Bisexual would be wrong. See, I could probably get comfortable with having sex with women, but I wouldnt be gay.

I dont really understand how teenagers think they have such an understanding of their sexualities and just proclaim themselves as gay or Bi. I thought I was maybe Gay or a bisexual person when I was younger. I'm straight.

Sexuality can be confusing, so dont just follow the herd just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Talk to straight people too, cause I guarantee youre not alone in your confusion. Many straight people, especially older ones, can help you dig through your confusion and figure out where you stand.

Sorry for redefining GAY, but I feel that I have some understanding of it, and I dont like how so many people just follow the herd. Whats with the political slogans? Are you trying to get more people on your team? Well, DAMN! I cant find a straight guy to save my life, so please let people learn about sexuality with time, rather than force.

Our population might be going up, slightly, but not much. In fact the figures in the past 6 years from the UN have gone down from 11 billion in 2050 to a lower figure than 7.5 billion worldwide last year. Actually, they seem afraid to even let the media know what the actual numbers are! Our current worldwide population is around 6.5 billion, which is a 3 billion increase in 50 years.

With all these "liberal trends" like gay rights, abortion rights, etc, we are looking at possible extinction by 2150, in my opinion.

Think about it.

[Praetorian]

If you have a problem with any member of politicalcrossfire.com, feel free to PM a moderator or an admin BEFORE bringing the issue up to the main forum, if at all.
He has been taken care of, and I suggest we get back to Gay Political Slogans, or the topic will be closed.

[F'losrix]

Sailor Moon wrote: I support gay rights, as far as insurance goes, but I dont think marriage should be necessary.
I thoroughly disagree, but that's not the topic of this thread. If you want to know the details of my opinion on the subject, they aren't hard to find. Too lengthy for me to get into here.

Quote: Gay is a lifestyle choice, also, I think, but its not a sexuality issue.
It's not a 'lifestyle' - that term encompasses more than just the gender of the person with whom one has sexual relations.

It's also not a conscious decision someone makes - not a 'choice'. The only choice gay people make is whether or not to act on the difference in their sexual orientation. Given the strength of influence that sexuality has on most people, it's unreasonable to expect the gay population to be celibate.

I will agree that being gay is not only an issue of sexuality. Humans are far more complex than this.

Quote: I dont really understand how teenagers think they have such an understanding of their sexualities and just proclaim themselves as gay or Bi. I thought I was maybe Gay or a bisexual person when I was younger. I'm straight.
Many heterosexual teens go through a brief period of feeling homosexual attractions - often in the form of 'hero worship' that spills over into their awakening sexuality. It's usually fixated on one person - not a more generalized attraction rooted in gender. It can lead to confusion over one's sexuality.

That said, this is not even remotely the same as what happens with people who actually are homosexual. Many of us do know that we're gay by the time we hit adolescence. But we often can't put a name to it until our sexuality develops, then it becomes much clearer what this 'difference' from our peers that we've been feeling throughout our childhoods really is.

Quote: Sexuality can be confusing, so dont just follow the herd just because it makes you feel more comfortable. Talk to straight people too, cause I guarantee youre not alone in your confusion. Many straight people, especially older ones, can help you dig through your confusion and figure out where you stand.
No real argument there, except to say that one shouldn't assume that straight people have all the answers. Most of them don't have a clue what it's like to be growing up gay. If one is feeling very confused, I'd recommend unbiased counseling from a professional who will help the person sort out who they are, not who everyone else thinks they should be, whether that's gay or straight.

Quote: Sorry for redefining GAY, but I feel that I have some understanding of it, and I dont like how so many people just follow the herd. Whats with the political slogans? Are you trying to get more people on your team? Well, DAMN! I cant find a straight guy to save my life, so please let people learn about sexuality with time, rather than force.
You've completely misunderstood the intent of this thread if that's what you think it's about. Political slogans are aimed at getting people to think about the other issues that impact a person because of the prejudice some experience due to the difference in their sexuality. They aren't a 'recruiting' tool. If you can't find a straight guy, maybe you aren't looking in the right place or hanging out with the right people. Trust me, there are plenty of them out there.

I would agree that some teens need time to learn about their sexual orientation without being coerced or seduced into making a 'choice'. But as I said above, most of them do have a pretty good idea by the time they get to adolescence.

Quote: Our population might be going up, slightly, but not much. In fact the figures in the past 6 years from the UN have gone down from 11 billion in 2050 to a lower figure than 7.5 billion worldwide last year. Actually, they seem afraid to even let the media know what the actual numbers are! Our current worldwide population is around 6.5 billion, which is a 3 billion increase in 50 years.
A change which is not brought about by any one, single factor and is probably barely impacted at all by the growth in gay rights.

Quote: With all these "liberal trends" like gay rights, abortion rights, etc, we are looking at possible extinction by 2150, in my opinion.
:lol: Treating gay people with respect isn't going to make the whole world turn gay or have abortions. I'd be more concerned about the proliferation of nuclear weapons if I were you. While gay rights are important to me, I'll be among the first to acknowledge that we have some far bigger problems to deal with. But prioritizing doesn't have to mean abandonment of the less life-threatening issues.

[d357r0y3r]

MWM is pretty harsh, I'll say that. He should be able to say what he wants. You have the ability to flame right back at him. I've seen plenty of bulls**t dished out, and if you're on a forum entitled, "political crossfire," well, you should probably prepare to be fired on.

[F'losrix]

d357r0y3r wrote: MWM is pretty harsh, I'll say that. He should be able to say what he wants. You have the ability to flame right back at him. I've seen plenty of bulls**t dished out, and if you're on a forum entitled, "political crossfire," well, you should probably prepare to be fired on.
Nevertheless, the forum does have rules to keep things at least somewhat civil. When members cross the line, mods and admins take what they deem to be appropriate action. MWM has crossed the line a number of times. But I agree with Praetorian, this really isn't the place to discuss it.