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Wolverine · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 10749 Location: Podunk, Colorado

Why not just let them marry? Would it affect you? No. Is it any of your business? No. So why not?
People should be able to do what ever they fancy, as long as it is not force or fraud.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8465

Why not? Because, being gay is an abomination and they are too immoral to be allowed to marry! Besides, tradition dictates that it is always been between a man and a woman, so who are we to change it? That would just allow for a slippery slope! :roll:

That should just about cover all the useless, tired, assinine rhetoric from the anti-gay marriage crowd.

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20598 Location: Minnesota

Because the people don't want it. Change their mind and you change the policy.

Protostar · Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject:

Better question: Why not get the government out of marriage altogether?

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20598 Location: Minnesota

Protostar wrote: Better question: Why not get the government out of marriage altogether?

This is the policy I perfer. But states can be involved in mariage, if the people wish it, which apparently they do.

F'losrix · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject:

John Galt wrote: Protostar wrote: Better question: Why not get the government out of marriage altogether?

This is the policy I perfer. But states can be involved in mariage, if the people wish it, which apparently they do.

If 'the people' decided we should return to slavery, would you support that? Or if they wanted to abolish representative government altogether and have a dictator? What if they decided the opposite - that they want to do away with representative government and instead have everything decided by public referenda?

My point with all that rhetoric is glaringly simple - just because 'the people' want something, that doesn't mean it is what will be most beneficial to their society in the long run. The rule of law is meant to curb the whims of the majority. Of course, you would have us believe that neither one supports our cause.

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why you think it is such a great thing for the states to run roughshod over the basic concepts of fairness, equality and liberty.

Jay2014 · Joined: 31 May 2005 Posts: 1243

John Galt wrote: Because the people don't want it. Change their mind and you change the policy.
i think hes asking why the people dont want it.

TeRRaVen52 · Joined: 26 Sep 2004 Posts: 61

yeah..why not? Homosexuality is completely normal and you know what... we should let Incest Couples get married, i mean who are we to say thats immoral too right? And also we should let people marry their animals because they "truly" love the animal, so if they truly and deeply love it why not let them get married. We should just let people marry anyone they want as long as they deeply love them, right?

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6756 Location: Ohio

TeRRaVen52 wrote: yeah..why not? Homosexuality is completely normal and you know what... we should let Incest Couples get married, i mean who are we to say thats immoral too right? And also we should let people marry their animals because they "truly" love the animal, so if they truly and deeply love it why not let them get married. We should just let people marry anyone they want as long as they deeply love them, right?

Incest, yes, sure why not?

A dog is not a consenting adult.

Marriage is a contract, of which consenting adults have unlimited rights to

F'losrix · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject:

I have to say something here. I take issue with the idea that adults have a completely unlimited right to contract. Contracts can be limited if their performance endangers other rights. One individual contracting with another to perform the murder of a third is one very clear example.

The government's interference in contracts must however be strictly limited. Since a marriage contract between consenting adults does not violate anyone's rights, the government should stay out of it - it has no compelling interest here.

rperez · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 1406 Location: Earth

ProGunAmerican wrote: Why not just let them marry? Would it affect you? No. Is it any of your business? No. So why not?
People should be able to do what ever they fancy, as long as it is not force or fraud.

I think it's purely a fear thing: if gays and lesbians get the same rights as they do then they can no longer feel morally superior. On paper they would all be the same. This worries the hell out of some people, deep down. I doubt they would even admit it, but that's really what I believe it's about. Right now they can feel better than two gay or lesbians, more important. They can delude themselves into believing that they're going to heaven, leaving all the gays and lesbians behind. Plus, if we're all equal in the government's eyes, well, that's a different story altogether and not one they want to read.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8465

rperez wrote: ProGunAmerican wrote: Why not just let them marry? Would it affect you? No. Is it any of your business? No. So why not?
People should be able to do what ever they fancy, as long as it is not force or fraud.

I think it's purely a fear thing: if gays and lesbians get the same rights as they do then they can no longer feel morally superior. On paper they would all be the same. This worries the hell out of some people, deep down. I doubt they would even admit it, but that's really what I believe it's about. Right now they can feel better than two gay or lesbians, more important. They can delude themselves into believing that they're going to heaven, leaving all the gays and lesbians behind. Plus, if we're all equal in the government's eyes, well, that's a different story altogether and not one they want to read.

I guess it all goes back to fearing what you don't understand.

But, you are right, I doubt anyone would readily admit that.