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David
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:24 am Post subject: Another question |
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| How much credence does Judaism lend to the Book of Jasher?It's mentioned in the Books of Joshua and Second Samuel.I have a copy of it myself and it closely parallels pretty much the whole Christian Old Testament,but it adds information not included. |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:07 am Post subject: |
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You have a copy of the Book of Jasher?
Isn't there a lot of controversy around that book? I've heard that what passes for the Book of Jasher is just a 19th century fake.. (and that the *original* has long since been lost).. Not sure if that's true or not ..
Does your Book of Jasher talk about Joshua making the Sun stand still? :-D |
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Duchifas
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Never heard of it. |
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John
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Duchifas wrote: Never heard of it.
The book of Jashar.
Joshua 10
12 Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel,
"O sun, stand still at Gibeon,
And O moon in the valley of Aijalon."
13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,
Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies
Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.
2 Samuel 1
17 Then David chanted with this lament over Saul and Jonathan his son,
18 and he told them to teach the sons of Judah the song of the bow; behold, it is written in the book of Jashar.
19"Your beauty, O Israel, is slain on your high places!
How have the mighty fallen! |
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Duchifas
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Cool. It is Yashar actually, not Jashar.
I just looked it up. To be honest, I have no clue what it is, so I can only offer the traditional Jewish commentary on the verses. Rashi seems to think that it is merely a reference to the Torah, yashar being the hebrew word for "just." Book of the Just, or something like that.
How or why, don't ask me, dunno. |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Duchifas wrote: Rashi seems to think that it is merely a reference to the Torah, yashar being the hebrew word for "just." Book of the Just, or something like that.
Yeah, but I don't think the Torah has a reference to the Sun not moving in the sky.. this only occurs in the Book of Joshua (and, presumably, the Book of Jasher/Yashar), more especially since it was (allegedly) Joshua who did the stopping.. |
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Duchifas
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psholtz wrote: Duchifas wrote: Rashi seems to think that it is merely a reference to the Torah, yashar being the hebrew word for "just." Book of the Just, or something like that.
Yeah, but I don't think the Torah has a reference to the Sun not moving in the sky.. this only occurs in the Book of Joshua (and, presumably, the Book of Jasher/Yashar), more especially since it was (allegedly) Joshua who did the stopping..
Torah is full of inferences too. I think that's what Rashi was referring to. |
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psholtz
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Duchifas wrote: psholtz wrote: Duchifas wrote: Rashi seems to think that it is merely a reference to the Torah, yashar being the hebrew word for "just." Book of the Just, or something like that.
Yeah, but I don't think the Torah has a reference to the Sun not moving in the sky.. this only occurs in the Book of Joshua (and, presumably, the Book of Jasher/Yashar), more especially since it was (allegedly) Joshua who did the stopping..
Torah is full of inferences too. I think that's what Rashi was referring to.
Does Torah infer that one day Joshua will come along and command the Sun to stop moving?? :-D |
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Duchifas
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psholtz wrote: Duchifas wrote: psholtz wrote: Duchifas wrote: Rashi seems to think that it is merely a reference to the Torah, yashar being the hebrew word for "just." Book of the Just, or something like that.
Yeah, but I don't think the Torah has a reference to the Sun not moving in the sky.. this only occurs in the Book of Joshua (and, presumably, the Book of Jasher/Yashar), more especially since it was (allegedly) Joshua who did the stopping..
Torah is full of inferences too. I think that's what Rashi was referring to.
Does Torah infer that one day Joshua will come along and command the Sun to stop moving?? :-D
Commentary on Joshua 10:
Quote: Is it not written [already] in the book of Jashar? This matter is written in the Torah [i.e., the Pentateuch] that Jacob said to Joseph, “His seed [of Ephraim] will fill the nations.” When? On the day that the sun stood still for Joshua, the entire world was filled with Joshua’s fame, and the sun stood still in the midst of the heaven, and it did not hasten to go down exactly a whole day."
(Joshua was from the tribe of Ephraim)
Commentary on Samuel:
Quote: Behold, it is written in the book of the just In the Book of Gen., which is the book of the just: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Now, where is it implied?“Your hand be on the nape of your enemies.” (Gen. 49:8) What type of warfare is it wherein one directs his hand against his forehead which is opposite his nape? We must say that this is the bow.
Not the most direct or plausible of inferences, I agree. So make what you wish of it. |
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