Political Crossfire Forums

[maninblack]

I believe a couple of things could happen.
As in <i>Ender's Game</i>, we could all be attacked by an alien race and be forced to unite.
Or, there could be a massive, nucular, WWIII and the world's leaders could become convinced that the source was religion, thus outlawing it. However, that would still not be true unity.

[ValeX]

Even if our planet even did band together in unity, it would not last very long. Before you know it, small groups of people would start developing their own agenda's, sneaking, planning, scheming, they eventually break off from the group and form their own society, with their own morals, and codes of conduct. Others see what this group has done and how well it's worked for them, so they break off too. Before you know it there are tons of countries, and everyone's nuking the s**t out of each other, then, one screams "STOP THE NUKES! WE NEED WORLD PEACE!" and the cycle starts again. End of story.

ValeX

[John Wilkes Booth]

ValeX wrote: Even if our planet even did band together in unity, it would not last very long. Before you know it, small groups of people would start developing their own agenda's, sneaking, planning, scheming, they eventually break off from the group and form their own society, with their own morals, and codes of conduct. Others see what this group has done and how well it's worked for them, so they break off too. Before you know it there are tons of countries, and everyone's nuking the s**t out of each other, then, one screams "STOP THE NUKES! WE NEED WORLD PEACE!" and the cycle starts again. End of story.

ValeX

Your characterization of humanity should be playing out even now, within the cosm of each country, and yet it does not.

[garyd]

I don't want a world government. Most of the governments of singular nation states are already far to large, cumbersome, and costly.

[John Wilkes Booth]

garyd wrote: I don't want a world government. Most of the governments of singular nation states are already far to large, cumbersome, and costly.

Not that I disagree, but for the sake of argument, wouldn't cutting down to one government be more efficient?

[Phædrus]

John Wilkes Booth wrote: garyd wrote: I don't want a world government. Most of the governments of singular nation states are already far to large, cumbersome, and costly.

Not that a disagree, but for the sake of argument, wouldn't cutting down to one government be more efficient?

It would be much more efficient too if we all wore the same clothes, spoke the same language, worshiped the same God, ate the same food, expressed the same opinions.

[John Wilkes Booth]

Phædrus wrote: John Wilkes Booth wrote: garyd wrote: I don't want a world government. Most of the governments of singular nation states are already far to large, cumbersome, and costly.

Not that a disagree, but for the sake of argument, wouldn't cutting down to one government be more efficient?

It would be much more efficient too if we all wore the same clothes, spoke the same language, worshiped the same God, ate the same food, expressed the same opinions.


So having multiple governments is a diversity issue for you?

[Political Masque]

People are extremely adaptable. The issue of diversity is not one that I see tearing down an administration. In fact diversity is a positive driving force, allowing new ideas to develop. A greater issue is most likely the greed of man. It would be hard for one government to account for man's desire for power; this issue is not, though, a reason to give up the idea of a world state.

[John Wilkes Booth]

Political Masque wrote: People are extremely adaptable. The issue of diversity is not one that I see tearing down an administration. In fact diversity is a positive driving force, allowing new ideas to develop. A greater issue is most likely the greed of man. It would be hard for one government to account for man's desire for power; this issue is not, though, a reason to give up the idea of a world state.

That's what I'm saying. Whatever arguments one might have against world government, an appeal to diversity isn't one of the better ones. If that's the case, you should advocate non-geographical, competing governments that settle their disagreements in third party courts.

[Political Masque]

Sorry, I should have quoted Phædrus.

What would a "third party court" be? We would all live on the Earth and therefore under one of said governments. Or, would there be a place or peoples under no world jurisdiction (or all jurisdiction).

[John Wilkes Booth]

Political Masque wrote: Sorry, I should have quoted Phædrus.

What would a "third party court" be? We would all live on the Earth and therefore under one of said governments. Or, would there be a place or peoples under no world jurisdiction (or all jurisdiction).

Two governments have a dispute, they take it to the party of their choice. It can be anybody.

[Political Masque]

Everybody else has their own interests, few governments would be unbiased. I think a variety of issues would arise. Two governments already in dispute would have trouble agreeing on a third party (or would take a while to do so).

I do realize this is not your argument, so I suppose I am just posting my thoughts without direction at any particular opponent.

[John Wilkes Booth]

Political Masque wrote: Everybody else has their own interests, few governments would be unbiased. I think a variety of issues would arise. Two governments already in dispute would have trouble agreeing on a third party (or would take a while to do so).

I do realize this is not your argument, so I suppose I am just posting my thoughts without direction at any particular opponent.

The problems you highlight are inherent in any system and are only compounded by mandatory, monopolized court systems.

[Green]

World Peace is not going to happen and the Earth is not going to willingly unite to one country. Were more united then I think we'll ever be. Look at Britain, who did not give up their currency to the Euro. People just have national pride.

Aliens will not attack us :lol: :lol: , but I believe in aliens!

[John Wilkes Booth]

Green wrote: World Peace is not going to happen and the Earth is not going to willingly unite to one country. Were more united then I think we'll ever be. Look at Britain, who did not give up their currency to the Euro. People just have national pride.



It's tempting to believe this, but on the other hand the world changes dramatically every century, and lately it's been changing every few decades. Technology changes faster and faster, indeed exponentially, and technology brings social, economic, and political change. Every generation has a slightly different perspective than their parents.

[wayne]

What is going to bring about a one world government is the disappearance of all of the world's Christians. Imagine, billions of people disapearing at once. The lines for the psychiatrists office will be extremely long,....let's hope he wasn't a Christian....he won't be here to help ya out. The economy will go bonkers and the need for the "mark" of the beast to buy and sell will become essential in the minds of the remaining unbelievers.
That will be the only way to observe everyone, with the satellite traceable chip under the skin.

The man of the world who comes to unite everyone and alleviate their fears about what just happened will come on the scene like a man of peace, being able to bring together Israel and the Muslim world.

Sometime during his seven year reign, a third of the population will be killed. This will happen because while he claims to be the world's leader, there will be nations that oppose him...probably resulting in a chemical war or nuclear war which will destroy a third of the world's oceans, lands and creatures.

There will be massive starvation unlike anything ever seen before because of reduced agricultural and farming harvests.

Me...I'll be feasting with Jesus above.

[gaiadman]

I believe it is possible, after all what is so funny about peace, love, and understanding? Whilst a uniformity of political views and economic issues were noted as being key issues to bring it forth, I have to disagree. Tolerance is in my humble opinion is the major obstacle that must be overcome. This is the problem that is obvious. In all honesty, what do i have against the Iraqi's, Iranian's, Afghan's, Indian's, Koran's, Russian's... nothing! To me these people have done nothing to me, I have no quarrel with them. The way I see it they are doing exactly what I am doing, what it take's to get by. At the end of the day all that I am truly worried about is putting food on my table, taking care of my family as well as myself, and keeping a roof over my head. In my opinion, currently all governments are interfering with this.
It might be misinterpreted that I may be an anarchist, I am not. I believe that have governance is a necessity. In my opinion the best form of government would be founded by the individual. By which I mean that the Individual has the responsibility to be as selfsufficant as possible. However, because no person is an island unto themselves, outside help is always required their is a call to family and friends - these in my opinion are the greatest councils anyone can participate in. From these a representative should be appointed to a communal council. From the communal council a representative for a county council, so on so forth to the global level.
I believe that individuals should govern themselves based on their own code of ethos, so long as it remains victimless.

[Magorion]

ieatfood wrote: The U.S. is the world's government--or at least the closest we're gonna get to one.


...or at least it pretends to be and acts as one.

[Drake Danielson]

Unless there are aliens, the only good I see a world government doing for us is providing common unity, which is important. I think it would lessen - not eliminate - but lessen international racism, bias, and misunderstanding that creates wars and fighting.

An example of this would be the U.S., in how multiple state governments, each with their own laws, culture, and even armies (if you count guardsmen and SWAT-enabled police) are governed by a national government that provides common defense and unity.