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[wolf]

Quote: if aliens were to invade earth. I know it is not a plausible story but it would take a common enemy such as that to bring the world together

That has actually been postulated as a pretext for a NWO.

[Nelson]

I think it sounds like a great idea. If we are using a senate system, are we doing representation based on population? Does that mean China will control more than 1/5th of the new government, and the US about 1/20th of it? Sounds like a good plan.

Maybe we should do representation based on the geographic size of a country - yikes, Greenland sure has a bit more weight than most of the world's nuclear powers! Imagine that!

Nah, I think the best system would be to do representatoin by country, and give each country equal weight! Well..I think it's about time we seperated the US into fifty separate countries, so that we have fifty times as much power in this new world government!

Dumb ideas. Short of an 'alien invasion', this isn't happening.

[ieatfood]

Nelson wrote: I think it sounds like a great idea. If we are using a senate system, are we doing representation based on population? Does that mean China will control more than 1/5th of the new government, and the US about 1/20th of it? Sounds like a good plan.

Maybe we should do representation based on the geographic size of a country - yikes, Greenland sure has a bit more weight than most of the world's nuclear powers! Imagine that!

Nah, I think the best system would be to do representatoin by country, and give each country equal weight! Well..I think it's about time we seperated the US into fifty separate countries, so that we have fifty times as much power in this new world government!

Dumb ideas. Short of an 'alien invasion', this isn't happening.

we should distribute power based on income--wait--that's pretty much how it works today!!!

[Grengor]

Global Government: Good on paper, bad in practice.

[~SIRIUS~]

I'd just like to point out that the IRA has agreed to surrender their arms to the British goverment. Its a step towards peace, and thats what matters.

[Laughing Man]

I worry though. Too much peace is often the prelude to too much war. There hasn't been a time when some part of the Earth didn't have a war. It's a been a way mankind can let off steam, and as long as he keeps it under control I think it should be continued.

[Gus]

Laughing Man wrote: I worry though. Too much peace is often the prelude to too much war. There hasn't been a time when some part of the Earth didn't have a war. It's a been a way mankind can let off steam, and as long as he keeps it under control I think it should be continued.
I agree. It's similar in the economy. If you have a growing economy without any recessions for too long, you'll get a huge crash like the Great Depression. Similarly, if you keep people in line for too long, the tension will continue to build until you have a huge outbreak (either a bloody civil war or a world war).

[Laughing Man]

Exactly. You have to give a little now or you'l give a lot later. As another example, take Mosley's description of WW2. He said WW2 was the result of the allied nations trying to stop Fascist and proto-Fascist expansion, like in Albania, Africa, Austria and China. After all, what was being done was the same thing the Allies had done before and didn't threaten other western states in any way. It was wrong to say "do not follow our example" after yourself conquering most of the world. But the allies still inisted on halting expansion, even though it had not involved the the world in war, and was in some cases almost bloodless itself. When denied expansion there was an "explosion". That explosion was WW2.

[Kazaam]

World government can happen but should not, for world government equals eventual world government collapse, and the possiblity of world anarchy. Althought there are some who like the thought of world anarchy it would not be benificial to mankind, for much knowledge may be lost in the rebuilding of civilization.

[Bull]

The idea of a world government isn't impossible...but HIGHLY unlikely. Because how exactly would you go about taking over all those nations. It would definently start a World War...a Nuclear War..that would kill millions of people worldwide. It would be the greatest catastrophe in human history. Earth's economy would plummet to historical lows, there would be massive fights to the death between mobs of hundreds of people in the streets of 1st world countries as people fight to survive. Civilization as we know it would be a thought of yesterday, nations would be filled with a lot more anarchy as well. It wouldn't be a pretty experience to have to live through.

But that's just one way of going about creating a world government..and if it's ever persude (unless it hasn't already :wink: ), it wouldn't be the way the powers-that-be went about getting it done. Some people believe this way of a One World Nation is already taking place and has been for decades now. It's the conspiracy-themed, Illuminati, Anti-Christ behind the scenes pulling the strings type of thing. There's a movie coming out directed by the Wachowski Brothers called V for Vendetta that has a similiar theme. This is a One World Nation that doesn't know it's a One World Nation...the people are oblivious to what's really going on. The media is controlled by the government as a propaganda tool (something that IS going on to tell you the truth...from time to time that is). Powerful corporations have a lot of say in the government and get away with lots of crimes (isn't that going on right now :lol: :-| ). The so-called "foreign" nations don't have independent governments, but puppet governments controlled by the powerful few. Everything is smoke and mirrors...etc, etc.

If I had to chose which is more likely and definently possible, I'd have to go with the latter. I was watching this show and they were talking to the who's who of conspiracy theorists like David Icke and he explained how the Bilderberg Group (a group of the world elites who get together every year in a closed session somewhere in Europe and talk about whatever. Members include everyone from first world nations, to top media moguls, and other people in the know. The press isn't allowed to cover the meeting at all, and when asked about the Bilderberg Group journalists act as if they don't know who they are) is a group of international decision makers who decide what direction they want the world to go in. The subject itself is kind of shady...but not enough to warrant a One World Government.

[callous]

For one world government to be even contemplated.....currancy would have to be scrapped all together.

Value in material things is a matter of perspective. Human nature would not allow people of ideologies that had no connection with each other, to share in the same material goods, because each individual would value the goods at a different price....and impossible levels of conflict would ensue.

Membership in society under a one world government would be strikingly different. The focus of society would be other than the aquisition of comfortable amounts of wealth and belongings.

[British patriot]

i simply cannot except that the world shall not eventualy unite under the same goverment. what point is there in trying to create the E.U if there is no way we can unite.

I think you are wrong people always doubt the human race and the what we can achive. i am certain that we can unite it wont be easy but it will happen.

as the aurthor of this topic pointed out the only people who have united this world only did so by force and for a short time.
If we could have a leader emerge who was strong intelligent and courasgous then he might stand a chance of uniting everyone. My friend says that it will only be possibly when you get ried of nationalism. If thisn leader was able to do this then it would not be hard to create the eutopia on earth

[Gus]

British patriot wrote: i simply cannot except that the world shall not eventualy unite under the same goverment. what point is there in trying to create the E.U if there is no way we can unite.

I think you are wrong people always doubt the human race and the what we can achive. i am certain that we can unite it wont be easy but it will happen.

as the aurthor of this topic pointed out the only people who have united this world only did so by force and for a short time.
If we could have a leader emerge who was strong intelligent and courasgous then he might stand a chance of uniting everyone. My friend says that it will only be possibly when you get ried of nationalism. If thisn leader was able to do this then it would not be hard to create the eutopia on earth
The E.U. does not want to unite, it wants to conquer. Same with the U.N.

[MJBaboon]

Quote: The E.U. does not want to unite, it wants to conquer. Same with the U.N.

Ooooooo, conspiracy theory!!! :-D

But really, the EU is more of an economic collaboration than a political alliance. The UN is simply incompetent right now. The way it is set up makes it impossible to get anything decisive done.

I think we'll have a nuclear war before we have a true world government. :lol:

[British patriot]

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I think we'll have a nuclear war before we have a true world government. :lol:

its sad that this may be true, the only way we can unite is after a massive fall.

the E.U is not a conspiracy how can it take over when its not even fully formed

[Anubis]

Perhaps the only way for the world to unite under one government would be to remove national identity from all people. Of course this will never happen as people are too proud of the nations. There is nothing wrong with that, I'm proud of my nation. Unfortunately that makes me, and almost everyone in the world, an obstacle to the creation of a world government.

Alternatively, the world will unite to face off a threat against the entire planet. I refer you to Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game and its sequels -- Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind, Ender's Shadow, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets, and Shadow of the Giant. In the novels the planet is faced by an alien invasion. This forced the nations of the planet to unite and destroy the threat under the leadership of the Hegemony. Following Earth's victory the old international rivalries begin to resurface and the Hegemony faces collapse. It takes an enlightened despot to bring the world back together. And, on his death, his organization collapses.

We need something that will not fall on its first leader's death. We need something that will survive no matter how many rivalries exist between the many nations of the world. It won't happen in my lifetime.

[British patriot]

i just have to hope that one day we wil evolve to a level where we can put prejudice behind us

[Anubis]

British patriot wrote: i just have to hope that one day we wil evolve to a level where we can put prejudice behind us

Unfortunately we are inherently afraid of things that are different and people from other countries are different from ourselves. Prejudice is going to happen in one form or another wherever and whenever you are in the world. Business are prejudiced against older workers, racisits are prejudiced against other people from different races around the world. It is a horrible state of affairs but it is the world we live in.

[British and Proud]

It will never happen. We disscuissed this in Blackpool. At least one person will disagree. No one will be happy, and we will end up in another World War!!

[British patriot]

yeah i remember that conversation but i have to hope that one day we will all agree