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connermt
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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mwm1331 wrote: Reason wrote: Quote:
The poor also believe poverty is not a choice, despite the fact that it is a choice they make every day. Few people are willing to accept responsibillioty for the consequences of thier own choices, why should homosexuals be any different.
The difference is that poverty is a lack of money, the result of following certain desires. Meanwhile homosexuality is a desire.
The better comparison would be actually partaking in homosexual intercourse, and being poor.
And homosexuality is a lack of morals.
Why is everyone attacking this guy? Obviously he is 1) ignorant & 2) just trying to cause trouble & 3) so throughly entrenched in his on mind (such as it is) that he can't be swayyed.
Leave him alone.... |
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00timh
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: |
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connermt wrote: Suragia wrote: I'm sorry but I think you know who you are by the time your 13. Does that mean that you get a free pass later on when your 30 with couple of kids? This really s*cks for the husband or wife. I don't think its right to keep this double life and then marry someone thats has no idea or who might had idea about it. Being upfront is the key. How about the kids that don't understand why mommie or pops left to be with same sex? That would suck. The kids get hurt in all this.
You may know by 13 (or younger), but that still doesn't mean that you have the courage to do anything about it until later (or at all). Granted, IMO, they shouldn't get married & have kids just to appease the masses, but the reality is that this is the case more often than not.
And you might be surprised to find that kids are surprisingly strong. IF there is a strong bond between them & the parent(s), most times they are OK with it. Sometimes it even creates a stronger bond than before. At least from my experience I touched on this subject earlier in this thread about how gay people in rural and more conservative communities often do not accept their own homosexuality. They may even try to "ungay" themselves by marrying and having kids. As for people who go back and forth between gay and straight lifestyles, I would imagine they are probably bi sexuals and not have accepted that. |
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F'losrix
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Location: Michigan, Washtenaw County
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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connermt wrote: mwm1331 wrote: Reason wrote: Quote:
The poor also believe poverty is not a choice, despite the fact that it is a choice they make every day. Few people are willing to accept responsibillioty for the consequences of thier own choices, why should homosexuals be any different.
The difference is that poverty is a lack of money, the result of following certain desires. Meanwhile homosexuality is a desire.
The better comparison would be actually partaking in homosexual intercourse, and being poor.
And homosexuality is a lack of morals.
Why is everyone attacking this guy? Obviously he is 1) ignorant & 2) just trying to cause trouble & 3) so throughly entrenched in his on mind (such as it is) that he can't be swayyed.
Leave him alone....
It's called debate. Just because someone is obviously entrenched in a particular position, that doesn't mean we should let their statements go unchallenged. It's not necessarily about persuading that person to a different point of view. It's about presenting counterarguments so that other persons who don't suffer from such inflexibility are not only given more than one view, but are also provided with reasoning to help them discern which view may hold more truth. |
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connermt
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Skeptical Mystic wrote: connermt wrote: mwm1331 wrote: Reason wrote: Quote:
The poor also believe poverty is not a choice, despite the fact that it is a choice they make every day. Few people are willing to accept responsibillioty for the consequences of thier own choices, why should homosexuals be any different.
The difference is that poverty is a lack of money, the result of following certain desires. Meanwhile homosexuality is a desire.
The better comparison would be actually partaking in homosexual intercourse, and being poor.
And homosexuality is a lack of morals.
Why is everyone attacking this guy? Obviously he is 1) ignorant & 2) just trying to cause trouble & 3) so throughly entrenched in his on mind (such as it is) that he can't be swayyed.
Leave him alone....
It's called debate. Just because someone is obviously entrenched in a particular position, that doesn't mean we should let their statements go unchallenged. It's not necessarily about persuading that person to a different point of view. It's about presenting counterarguments so that other persons who don't suffer from such inflexibility are not only given more than one view, but are also provided with reasoning to help them discern which view may hold more truth.
That was an attempt at sarcasm. |
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F'losrix
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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connermt wrote: That was an attempt at sarcasm.
Hmm, guess I should have figured as much. Sorry. :!oops: |
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