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F'losrix

Yep, I knew it wouldn't be long before some crackpot would try to blame gay people for the hurricane's destruction of the city of New Orleans: (the parts I snipped out from the quote below are largely just more background about Southern Decadence & Mardi Gras, etc. You're welcome to follow the link if you want to read the whole article. And bear in mind that this "Act of God' didn't destroy just the 'wicked' - I'm sure some of them survived and that plenty of 'good' people died as well.)

Let me just say that this post is not meant to mock the suffering of anyone whose lives have been impacted by this tragedy. My purpose is merely to point out the utter insanity of the most extreme of the Christian faith in making such offensive and ridiculous statements:

PHILADELPHIA - Just days before "Southern Decadence", an annual homosexual celebration attracting tens of thousands of people to the French Quarters section of New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina destroys the city.

[snip]

"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," stated Repent America director Michael Marcavage. "From ‘Girls Gone Wild’ to ‘Southern Decadence’, New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. May it never be the same," he continued.

[snip]

"Let us pray for and help those ravaged by this disaster. However, we must not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long," Marcavage said. "May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God," Marcavage concluded.

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html

Sound familiar? We've already been blamed for 9/11 by Jerry Falwell, not to mention that whole Sodom & Gomorrah thing.

The way things are going, I expect pretty soon they'll find a way to blame us for humankind being expelled from the Garden of Eden.

I suppose San Francisco and Provincetown are next on God's hit list.

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20672 Location: Minnesota

Well the Westboro Baptist Church, as it does for every disaster, has blamed Katrina on homosexuals.

But, well, some people are just insane.

F'losrix · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject:

John Galt wrote: Well the Westboro Baptist Church, as it does for every disaster, has blamed Katrina on homosexuals.

But, well, some people are just insane.
Sure, we expect this stuff from the Phelps clan and his 'church', but that isn't the group my post was focused on. Surely you remember Repent America and the Philadelphia 11, arrested for protesting at Philadelphia's OutFest? Same group.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8567

Wow, if homosexuals are responsible for inviting "the wrath of God" on New Orleans, I have a plan.

Every gay man and woman should flock to the home of Fred Phelps, and start having rampant sex on their front lawn.

Maybe we could incite a Tornado to destroy it :-D

Melchior · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 9284 Location: Palm Beach

UrielsFyre wrote: Wow, if homosexuals are responsible for inviting "the wrath of God" on New Orleans, I have a plan.

Every gay man and woman should flock to the home of Fred Phelps, and start having rampant sex on their front lawn.

Maybe we could incite a Tornado to destroy it :-D

Is there an escape plan?

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8567

Damn, I knew there was a flaw in my plan.

Protostar · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject:

Hephaestus wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: Wow, if homosexuals are responsible for inviting "the wrath of God" on New Orleans, I have a plan.

Every gay man and woman should flock to the home of Fred Phelps, and start having rampant sex on their front lawn.

Maybe we could incite a Tornado to destroy it :-D

Is there an escape plan?

:lol: :lol:

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20672 Location: Minnesota

UrielsFyre wrote: Wow, if homosexuals are responsible for inviting "the wrath of God" on New Orleans, I have a plan.

Every gay man and woman should flock to the home of Fred Phelps, and start having rampant sex on their front lawn.

Maybe we could incite a Tornado to destroy it :-D

If that actually happened I'd believe in God and maybe een become a monk. It could save all us atheists.Otherwise I think it would be kinda funny -- Fred Phelps has a heart attack, and everyone on his lawn gets arrested for indecent exposure/sex in public which also made the lead story on all the networks, with blurred ideo. I'd laugh.

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20672 Location: Minnesota

As for New Orleans being a city of decadence... this much is true. It did need a good cleaning. I would have recommended something else, but in any event it may finally turn around. Or just become America's Atlantis (which I think is the most viable solution anyway: we should abandon the city and rebuild on ground maybe ABOVE SEA LEVEL).

And P-Town could get a hurricane easily enough. San Fran could easily be demolished by an earthquake.

Maybe you guys can make a gay bastion in Wyoming or something? They don't even get tornados (strike that -- there was one this year).Only then if you were destroyed would we know if itwas God's Holy Wrath.

F'losrix · Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:34 am Post subject:

I found this part especially chilling:

"May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits..."

Could be interpreted as an effort to incite others to forcibly expel gay people from their communities. I'm not in favor of criminalizing hate speech and since there's nothing here that explicitly calls for violence it doesn't rise to the level of speech that would otherwise be prohibited, but it's still pretty scary. It's easy for us to just laugh it off as the ranting of some 'lunatic' until you stop to think how many similar groups exist and pause to consider where they might be getting their funding - obviously someone must be supporting their efforts. That leads me to believe that for every crackpot whose rantings actually make it into print, there are perhaps a dozen more like-minded people providing their support behind the scenes.

We ignore them at our peril.

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

What I find amusing is that this is becoming the norm. Gays are blamed for many things. I hope they don't start blaming the gay people for the high oil prices now! :roll:

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20672 Location: Minnesota

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: What I find amusing is that this is becoming the norm. Gays are blamed for many things. I hope they don't start blaming the gay people for the high oil prices now! :roll:

No, Bush is blamed for that. As he was blamed for Katrina and its "unessecary" destruction by a former Clinton aid, by foreign newspapers, and by many here at home. Blaming the weather on humans is rather moronic and reminds me of tribal humans with rainmen doing dances.

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

John Galt wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: What I find amusing is that this is becoming the norm. Gays are blamed for many things. I hope they don't start blaming the gay people for the high oil prices now! :roll:

No, Bush is blamed for that. As he was blamed for Katrina and its "unessecary" destruction by a former Clinton aid, by foreign newspapers, and by many here at home. Blaming the weather on humans is rather moronic and reminds me of tribal humans with rainmen doing dances.

But you missed the point there. Bush is indirectly in charge of the rescue effort for the disaster. He is the man who picks the people who pick the people for the disaster response teams. As a result he is indirectly responsible if the rescue teams fail to perform their tasks. It’s called accountability. :wink:

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6767 Location: Ohio

Those gays are provoking God's wrath. In his wrath, he destroys oil, reducing supply. ITS THE GAYS FAULT FOR THE OIL PRICES

:lol:

F'losrix · Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject:

John Galt wrote: Blaming the weather on humans is rather moronic and reminds me of tribal humans with rainmen doing dances.
I agree - it's not a time to look for scapegoats or indulge in partisan sniping. The government has to balance other budgetary concerns with the need to be prepared for disasters whose scope is hard to predict at best and which may never materialize at all. It's terribly sad that people are suffering, but pointing fingers of blame won't do anything to alleviate that. Certainly we can learn from our mistakes, but at the same time let's be careful what we characterize as a mistake long before cleanup & rescue efforts have been completed, let alone analyzed.

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20672 Location: Minnesota

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: John Galt wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: What I find amusing is that this is becoming the norm. Gays are blamed for many things. I hope they don't start blaming the gay people for the high oil prices now! :roll:

No, Bush is blamed for that. As he was blamed for Katrina and its "unessecary" destruction by a former Clinton aid, by foreign newspapers, and by many here at home. Blaming the weather on humans is rather moronic and reminds me of tribal humans with rainmen doing dances.

But you missed the point there. Bush is indirectly in charge of the rescue effort for the disaster. He is the man who picks the people who pick the people for the disaster response teams. As a result he is indirectly responsible if the rescue teams fail to perform their tasks. It’s called accountability. :wink:

No, this is about the storm itself, not what happens or does not happen afterword.

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

John Galt wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: John Galt wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: What I find amusing is that this is becoming the norm. Gays are blamed for many things. I hope they don't start blaming the gay people for the high oil prices now! :roll:

No, Bush is blamed for that. As he was blamed for Katrina and its "unessecary" destruction by a former Clinton aid, by foreign newspapers, and by many here at home. Blaming the weather on humans is rather moronic and reminds me of tribal humans with rainmen doing dances.

But you missed the point there. Bush is indirectly in charge of the rescue effort for the disaster. He is the man who picks the people who pick the people for the disaster response teams. As a result he is indirectly responsible if the rescue teams fail to perform their tasks. It’s called accountability. :wink:

No, this is about the storm itself, not what happens or does not happen afterword.

Well, that's stupid to say the least! :shock:

Melchior · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 9284 Location: Palm Beach

John Galt wrote: No, this is about the storm itself

The argument is global warming.

Winchester · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 6084 Location: Montana

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: But you missed the point there. Bush is indirectly in charge of the rescue effort for the disaster. He is the man who picks the people who pick the people for the disaster response teams. As a result he is indirectly responsible if the rescue teams fail to perform their tasks. It’s called accountability. :wink:

Um, the residents of NO had the primary responsibility for their own safety. Their city government was in a far better position to develop evacuation and rescue plans for their city. Its not like this disaster is a surprise, it was just a matter of when.

Secondly, the people also should be responsible for their own safety. They knew it was coming and should have left when the could. I know a lot of them didn't have transportation or means to leave on their own, but you can't tell me 100,000 people didn't know one other soul in that town that would have helped them out if they had known about their need.

Why in the crap do so many people first look the federal government to take care of them and are so quick to spread the blame around when the blame belongs closer to home.

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

Winchester wrote: Um, the residents of NO had the primary responsibility for their own safety. Their city government was in a far better position to develop evacuation and rescue plans for their city. Its not like this disaster is a surprise, it was just a matter of when.

Secondly, the people also should be responsible for their own safety. They knew it was coming and should have left when the could. I know a lot of them didn't have transportation or means to leave on their own, but you can't tell me 100,000 people didn't know one other soul in that town that would have helped them out if they had known about their need.

Why in the crap do so many people first look the federal government to take care of them and are so quick to spread the blame around when the blame belongs closer to home.

What about FEMA? :?