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Lord Hargreaves · Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 7023 Location: Herefordshire

Australia Wants to Know What's Going On in Mosques

Things are beginning to get interesting in Australia: Australia’s Howard Says Govt May Infiltrate Mosques, Schools.

Quote: Aug. 24 (Bloomberg) — Australian Prime Minister John Howard said the government may infiltrate mosques, prayer halls and schools to detect any teaching of the “virtues of terrorism.”

“We have a right to know whether there is, within any section of the Islamic community, a preaching of the virtues of terrorism,” Howard told Radio 6PR in Perth when asked if the government was prepared to “get inside” mosques, prayer halls and schools. Or, “whether any comfort or harbor is given to terrorism within that community.”

Howard yesterday met 14 Islamic leaders for the first time and agreed on a framework for further talks. He has said last month’s bombings in London that killed 56 people, including an Australian, highlight the need to “remain vigilant.”

“There’s a concern that a small section of the Islamic community could be the source of terrorism,” Howard, 66, told reporters in Canberra yesterday. “We need the assistance of the Islamic leadership and the Islamic leadership needs our assistance.”

Fifty-one Australian Muslim groups yesterday released a 12- point statement denouncing violence. The groups said they weren’t accountable for individuals who commit “heinous” crimes in the name of Islam and expressed concern about “increased hostility” toward Muslim communities

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No Shari'a in Australia

Shari’a is utterly incompatible with modern Western civilization, and leave it to the Australians to say so in no uncertain terms: Muslims who want Islamic law told to leave Australia.

Quote: SYDNEY (AFP) - Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law should get out of Australia, a senior government minister has said, hinting that some radical clerics might be asked to leave.

Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament, Treasurer Peter Costello told national television late Tuesday.

“If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you,” said Costello, who is seen as heir-apparent to Prime Minister John Howard.

“I’d be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that that is false.

“There’s only one law in Australia — it’s the law that’s made by the parliament of Australia and enforced by our courts. There is no second law.

“If you can’t agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country which practices it, perhaps, then, that’s a better option,” Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he replied: “Where a person has dual citizenship, it might be possible to ask them to exercise that other citizenship. That might be a live possibility.”

ALLELUIA!! +p

Boy do I wish John Howard was British!!!!

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament. They should obey this in the US more often IMHO! :tu: The CIA needs to infilterate the Churches immediately and deport those who preach hate to Iran immediately! :wink: I'm sure Falwell and Phelps will love it there!

Janis · Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 2376 Location: new york city

Quote: Australian Prime Minister John Howard said the government may infiltrate mosques, prayer halls and schools to detect any teaching of the “virtues of terrorism.”

I love it!

They really did it when they bombed London. Now Europe and Australia have focused their attenion on them. Ever since, countries around the world have been cleaning house!

Quote: Treasurer Peter Costello told national television late Tuesday. “If you can’t agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country which practices it, perhaps, then, that’s a better option,” Costello said.

Well done Australia!

euro · Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 639 Location: old europe

When conservatives praise us, we know we're doing something wrong. The difference I think lies in the fact that Australians aren't arrogant snobs like Brits or Americans, and the culture itself allows for most muslims to be moderate and practically blend into the population.

wolf · Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 27 Location: Country

I think "Western Civilisation" aptly demonstrated itself in New Orleans.
Rape
Murder
Looting

Strange how none of these actions were evident in the countries struck by the tsunami is South East Asia!

Hopefully we wont be recipients of that brand of "Western Civilisation".

Janis · Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 2376 Location: new york city

wolf wrote: I think "Western Civilisation" aptly demonstrated itself in New Orleans.
Rape
Murder
Looting

Strange how none of these actions were evident in the countries struck by the tsunami is South East Asia!

Hopefully we wont be recipients of that brand of "Western Civilisation".

What a stupid post!

Only an idiot wouldn't understand that there are criminals in every civilization. Those things didn't happen after the Tsunami? I guess you weren't paying attention to the child abductions and other problems involving armed thugs that preyed on the innocent. The story was there but we focused more on SAVING people and rebuilding. Looting happens in any disaster, especially when police and law enforcement agencies were overwhelmed as the case was in N Orleans. N Orleans was by far the most lawless city in the nation to begin with for that matter. I'd like you to know that 90,000 miles of the Gulf coast was affected by the hurricane. The media picks up on the bad news as well as the good news.

The good news is this is an excellant example of how a country pulls together after a disaster. This is the biggest humanitarian effort by Amerians for Americans in our history and you would do yourself a favor by paying attention to the bigger story. It has been amazing how everyone, all over this great country has been supporting the victims. America is strong enough to endure and will pick ourselves back up. Our citizens are getting lots of love from there fellow Americans! :ok:

I suppose you have no criminals in Australia? Hmmmmm... I'll bet if you all had no houses and were packed into a stadium, you would find there may also be bad people housed there with you. It is very sad there are people in this world who will take advantage of a horrible situation, but again the good people heavily out number the bad people.

Strange how some of you love to highlight the problems within a society and are pretty much ignorant of the fact that NO society is problem free. Humans everywhere in the world are the same, no matter what "civilization" it is.

God Bless America and I want to say thank you to every person who gave to aid to us from around the world in this very difficult time.

Hey wolf: :moon: Stick your theory of western civilization where the sun doesn't shine. I'm sure your living in utopia, where noone is raped or murdered. :roll:

wolf · Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 27 Location: Country

Quote: Hey wolf: Stick your theory of western civilization where the sun doesn't shine. I'm sure your living in utopia, where noone is raped or murdered.

Not in your TRULY democratised way.

From George to you.

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Janis · Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 2376 Location: new york city

wolf wrote: Quote: Hey wolf: Stick your theory of western civilization where the sun doesn't shine. I'm sure your living in utopia, where noone is raped or murdered.

Not in your TRULY democratised way.

From George to you.

Cute, very cute.

I wouldn't trade my western civilization for any of the others "civilizations". Like I would want to go live in a place that gives little girls away to marry old men who abuse them. Good one! How about torturing people and cutting off hands and tongues? Just saying you are not happy about some of those other civilizations will get you murdered by the "leaders" in charge. Nope, not for me.

I just find it pretty much disgusting how you can take a tragedy like the Gulf coast disaster to make claims that single out one type of "civiliazation" as worse than any others when it comes to rape and murder. It was an idiotic statement and you know it. You just wanted to use the acts of criminals to condemn an entire way of life.

So, now that you've had your fun do you have anything to add to the thread? No? Just felt like blowing off steam about a few criminals in N. Orleans?

No Shari'a in Australia
Quote:
“If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you,” said Costello, who is seen as heir-apparent to Prime Minister John Howard.

:clap:

Don't you think it is a good move? I do. I applaud Australia for taking a hard stand. Don't you agree? If you don't why are you still living in Australia? Time to get going. Back to your utopian civilization, wherever that is.

Margo · Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:26 pm Post subject:

wolf wrote: I think "Western Civilisation" aptly demonstrated itself in New Orleans.
Rape
Murder
Looting

Strange how none of these actions were evident in the countries struck by the tsunami is South East Asia!

Hopefully we wont be recipients of that brand of "Western Civilisation".

How narrowminded to actually believe New Orleans is in anyway indicative of the entire United States! let alone Western Civilization! WOW! lol!
New Orleans is a very small portion of our great country that indeed has many problems on local and state levels. One of the incredible things about the United States is our ability to resolve these tough issues, which we will do. There are so many wonderful things about Western Civilization and you choose to focus on the negative, tsk tsk.
Maybe some of the actions you spoke of weren't evident in the tsunami stricken areas because either the press didn't choose to sensationalize it or perhaps...and here's a thought ! maybe it was because everybody and everything was GONE!
I recognize you for what you are, a Bush hater and America hater who chooses to structure her belief sytems on what the headlines dictate to her ....so much for original thought and open mindedness.
And BTW, love what you Aussies are doing down there...

ANTI BLING · Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject:

I much prefer Australian society to the states, and culture. We are a continent descended from criminals, which is why we're so fun!

Janis · Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 2376 Location: new york city

ANTI BLING wrote: I much prefer Australian society to the states, and culture. We are a continent descended from criminals, which is why we're so fun!

Love your pics!

Got to give you the fun part!

We all have to admit your society grew from an incredibly interesting beginnings. There is an expression. "You can't write this kind of stuff" meaning: If a hollywood movie came out you wouldn't believe it actually was true story. As if noone could have written that kind of script. Australia is an original that is for sure. Right down to you wild life! I mean, kangaroos! WTF! Such a wild, crazy, beautiful, big country! (Crazy in a good way!)

Love AC/DC BTW!

ANTI BLING · Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject:

Janis wrote: ANTI BLING wrote: I much prefer Australian society to the states, and culture. We are a continent descended from criminals, which is why we're so fun!

Love your pics!

Got to give you the fun part!

We all have to admit your society grew from an incredibly interesting beginnings. There is an expression. "You can't write this kind of stuff" meaning: If a hollywood movie came out you wouldn't believe it actually was true story. As if noone could have written that kind of script. Australia is an original that is for sure. Right down to you wild life! I mean, kangaroos! WTF! Such a wild, crazy, beautiful, big country! (Crazy in a good way!)

Love AC/DC BTW!

Cheers mate, hope you come visit some time :tu:, cyu around :-D.

Ch33kY · Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 1281

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: deport those who preach hate to Iran immediately!

I'm just curious to what 'preaching hate' is?

My nation, Australia is currently at war in Iraq, surely to be at war is to be hating. Honouring our troops that are at war is to preach hate, its subtly incorporated in our society.

Futhermore, I think some may have misinterpreted the Howard Government's stance, we have no problems (or claim not to ;-) ) with Muslims, however it is the religion as a law which our vales are offended by. This should not be confused.

wolf · Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 27 Location: Country

Quote: I'm just curious to what 'preaching hate' is?

It's what Bush supporters yell if you disagree with them; it's like saying your against Israeli actions in the Middel East; they will then scream anti-semitic at you.
It is a conditioned response where it relieves them of any responsibility to use rational thought to respond to a given situation.

Much like Pavlovs dogs.

Janis · Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 2376 Location: new york city

wolf wrote: Quote: I'm just curious to what 'preaching hate' is?

It's what Bush supporters yell if you disagree with them; it's like saying your against Israeli actions in the Middel East; they will then scream anti-semitic at you.
It is a conditioned response where it relieves them of any responsibility to use rational thought to respond to a given situation.

Much like Pavlovs dogs.

I actually feel sorry for you. You actually believe the your "rational" thought is way over our heads. :roll: You have no intelligent replies. It is all wise cracks and insults that make you intellectually inferior and rather pathetic.

Just because you can't see beyond your own nose or acknowledge the fact that others have different opinions than yours, doesn't mean you can win an argument by trying to insult them.

You will mature in time. Good thing you came to Crossfire, maybe you will begin to look at the world around you and realize you are not the brilliant, holier than thou human you think you are. You are just a troll who can't post without showing just how nasty, elitist, self-absorbed and arrogant you obviously are.

Keep it up! You won't be taken seriously, but keep it up!

:lol:

Ch33kY · Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 1281

wolf wrote: Quote: I'm just curious to what 'preaching hate' is?

It's what Bush supporters yell if you disagree with them; it's like saying your against Israeli actions in the Middel East; they will then scream anti-semitic at you.
It is a conditioned response where it relieves them of any responsibility to use rational thought to respond to a given situation.

Much like Pavlovs dogs.

Heh, I much agree with where you're going, however I don't think you're doing it the right way (especially with your first post in this thread - very stupid).