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[VoltaireUSA]

Okay, I'll admit, I don't believe in Islam; I'm Christian, but why is it that we Christians, Catholics, etc., slam Islam around? I mean, the Bible teaches peace through tolerance and unity through acceptance, and the fact that we have free will! Just because the Qur'an is followed by some radicals too harshly doesn't mean that all muslims are radical extremists bent on enslaving everyone under Islam! Frankly, most muslims are more liberal with the Qur'an than bin laden. Again frankly, most muslims want the same as every other person that practices religion: the ability to be left in peace while they practice, not to be harassed b/c of their beliefs, to be accepted as peaceful, non-violent people, and to allow to spread their religion (peacefully). It's not as if every muslim is a Sunni. Now, of course, crime-commiters must be punished, but we shouldn't blame the religion. If we blamed the Christian religion for every crime practiced in the name of our God or Christ, We'd be looking at a very guilty world. I accept Islam as others' beliefs, rather than a cult breeding terrorists, and I doubt that this 'War on Terror' will ever matter unless the rest of the world (in particular, the West) doesn't recognize that as a whole.

[pharaoh]

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[Demonic Spoon]

Because the governments and terrorists in the Middle East are ruled by those radicals. Despite being the minority, they have the loudest voice. What are you going to hear about more on the news, a guy blowing people to pieces in a religious frenzy, or a guy being an average person? Being that most muslims living in the Middle East live in crappy conditions, and are run by a government that promotes such things (depending on the nation).

Also, some parts of the Koran appear to promote slaugher of the non-believers when taken out of context.

[Glorfindel]

Voltaire

i agree with all you said... but for your information... sunnis are not the radical ones...

i'm a sunni...

sunnis and shiites are like catholics and protestants....

the terrorists are not sunnis ..even if they claim to be...

sunni means the one who follows the sunnah ( the teachings of the Prophet) in arabic

all i want to say is... "sunni" is not a synonym for "terrorist"

and it is good to see one of the understanding members now and then

[VoltaireUSA]

Glorfindel wrote: Voltaire

i agree with all you said... but for your information... sunnis are not the radical ones...

i'm a sunni...

sunnis and shiites are like catholics and protestants....

the terrorists are not sunnis ..even if they claim to be...

sunni means the one who follows the sunnah ( the teachings of the Prophet) in arabic

all i want to say is... "sunni" is not a synonym for "terrorist"

and it is good to see one of the understanding members now and then
I'm sorry that I reported that incorrectly then. Terrorists claim it, but as you stand as an example, no actually practicing muslim could be so violent and evil.

[BuzWeaver]

Everyone, that’s a bit of a gross generality.

[Ethanael]

Glorfindel wrote: Voltaire

i agree with all you said... but for your information... sunnis are not the radical ones...

i'm a sunni...

sunnis and shiites are like catholics and protestants....

the terrorists are not sunnis ..even if they claim to be...

sunni means the one who follows the sunnah ( the teachings of the Prophet) in arabic

all i want to say is... "sunni" is not a synonym for "terrorist"

and it is good to see one of the understanding members now and then

I see that you're Muslim. I'd like you to know that I have great respect for Islam.

It only takes a minority to make the majority look bad...And the terroristic Muslims are, as you said, taking the Koran/ Qu'ran out of contect.
It could've happened to any religious text taken out of context, including the Bible, Torah, etc.,

God/Allah bless you, Glorfindel.

[Glorfindel]

Ethanael wrote: Glorfindel wrote: Voltaire

i agree with all you said... but for your information... sunnis are not the radical ones...

i'm a sunni...

sunnis and shiites are like catholics and protestants....

the terrorists are not sunnis ..even if they claim to be...

sunni means the one who follows the sunnah ( the teachings of the Prophet) in arabic

all i want to say is... "sunni" is not a synonym for "terrorist"

and it is good to see one of the understanding members now and then

I see that you're Muslim. I'd like you to know that I have great respect for Islam.

It only takes a minority to make the majority look bad...And the terroristic Muslims are, as you said, taking the Koran/ Qu'ran out of contect.
It could've happened to any religious text taken out of context, including the Bible, Torah, etc.,

God/Allah bless you, Glorfindel.

Ethanael

Thank you for your post... and I'm happy to see another understanding and respecting member in this forum

sadly, many members in this forum like to generalize and spread the hate between muslims and others and love to show muslims as if they are those barbarian terrorists who love killing and destroying everything in their path

and if those poor and brainwashed members opened their hearts and minds and learn the truth about Islam and its wisdom and messege, they would become more understanding and appreciative of Islam, more like you, my friend.

Thank you

and Allah bless you too

[Chris29]

I love seeing posts like this around here. Glorfindel, I would say I feel your pain as I continuously find myself arguing against such intolerant and uneducated individuals preachins such hate although to have to face it as a muslim that must be a much more diificult thing.

God Bless and PBUH (peace be upon him) Glorfindel

[Funky]

Yes.. Islam is a religion of peace, a true religion... and many people use the name of Islam to support their own political opinions and so on... terrorists, corrupt leaders, and other morons...

Im a muslim myself, and I thank god that I was born a muslim since in my eyes there is no religion greater than Islam and more pure than Islam.

And the generalising mentioned earlier in this topic as I see it is due to the huge influence the Zionists have on todays world media... agree with me or not, this is what I believe...

[mojo]

I am not implying that Muslims are bad people but a fact remains in this day in age they only religious group that seems to be causing more unrest in the world is Islam. The simple truth is that Islam has transformed into a religion that manipulates situations for the purpose of "religious pride". Islam is the only religion at this present time that has so many radicals willing to kill innocent people.

[Ch33kY]

politicalmojo wrote: I am not implying that Muslims are bad people but a fact remains in this day in age they only religious group that seems to be causing more unrest in the world is Islam. The simple truth is that Islam has transformed into a religion that manipulates situations for the purpose of "religious pride". Islam is the only religion at this present time that has so many radicals willing to kill innocent people.

Hi politicalmojo, we haven't met, but I'm sure we can be friends.

Would it be incorrect if I informed you that predominantly Christian countries are currently 'passing by' in Afghanistan and Iraq? I'm not 100% sure, I just read it in the news, but it might have changed, that was back in 2003.

Maybe they have extended their stay? Or maybe the inhabitants of those nations see them as occupiers?

"a religion that manipulates situations for the purpose of "religious pride""
Anyways, GOD BLESS AMERICA!

[nava]

VoltaireUSA wrote: Okay, I'll admit, I don't believe in Islam; I'm Christian, but why is it that we Christians, Catholics, etc., slam Islam around? I mean, the Bible teaches peace through tolerance and unity through acceptance, and the fact that we have free will! Just because the Qur'an is followed by some radicals too harshly doesn't mean that all muslims are radical extremists bent on enslaving everyone under Islam! Frankly, most muslims are more liberal with the Qur'an than bin laden. Again frankly, most muslims want the same as every other person that practices religion: the ability to be left in peace while they practice, not to be harassed b/c of their beliefs, to be accepted as peaceful, non-violent people, and to allow to spread their religion (peacefully). It's not as if every muslim is a Sunni. Now, of course, crime-commiters must be punished, but we shouldn't blame the religion. If we blamed the Christian religion for every crime practiced in the name of our God or Christ, We'd be looking at a very guilty world. I accept Islam as others' beliefs, rather than a cult breeding terrorists, and I doubt that this 'War on Terror' will ever matter unless the rest of the world (in particular, the West) doesn't recognize that as a whole.

I just have to say THANK U. Beautifully said.
The reason is because the iranian regime is using the wrong interpretation of the Koran to stay in power, to oppress the people and to spread it's ideology. I don't think God could bring anything bad to earth, religions are there to show people the right way but some people use them from the first day, the jews, christians and now islam to use them in their needs. Have you ever heard of an democratical islam? I don't think anyone has.
For example the mullah's islam says that women and men are not equal, women is half a men, in the democratic islam (real islam)it is not so, everyone is equal. For the mullahs if one stray of hair comes out of your veil you can get punished, but in the Koran it says : “There is no compulsion in religion.”
The Quran often addresses human beings as “the believers” or “people” or “children of Adam”. Again, this is another indication that gender distinction and separation have no place in this divine book. What is far more important are verses in which, as we shall see, talk very explicitly and unambiguously about the equality of women and men in creation, their sense of responsibility and their value systems. The Quran also recognized women’s right to engage in social and political activities and campaigns and migrate for political reasons. Examples of this can be found, for example, in Chapter 3 (Al-i Imran or Family of Imran), verse 195. There is so much more examples but I think I've wrote too much for now.
Take care,

[Mapmaker15]

I am sure a bunch of people were very touchy about Christianity around the time of the crusades. In my area people seem to shun those who wear the traditional clothing of Islam. It makes me so angry when I see a carload of "Religious Christians" pull past a woman in a burka and avert there eyes. "Religious"... Yeah right. It should not be tolerance that is preached in the churches but acceptance. I have buddhist freinds, and I have Islamic friends. Heck, I even know a few wayword souls that have taken up with Satanism. I know a Shintoist, and I have a good wickan(wikkan?) friend who sits next to me in Geometry(bad at math).
I even am held at arms length for my belief in a slightly different doctrine than other Christians. Religion is something to be looked at with awe and wonder not zealous blindness.
I am currently reading the Qur'an and I have read the book of Mormon. And I am tired of talking to "Religious Christians" who cannot and will not listen to other people's beliefs!

Bless you guys for hearing me out. A million thanks.
I believe that eventually we will all see that we are all worshiping the same being, just with different prophets and times.
In the name of all the gods ever to represent the truth, bless you all.

[redhead]

I am an american woman born in the usa. I was married to a muslim. I know first hand the way the muslim mind works. Oh, he was great before I married him (illegal as he was) but as soon as we were married, I was his property. For nine years, I tolerated his abuse. For nine years, he treated me like s**t. For nine years, I thought I was ugly, fat, undesirable. Why? because he told me it was so. Oh, and now during Ramadan, the holy month, I understand how it works. Oh, they fast from sunrise to sunset, but they stay up until just before dawn, scarfing everything they can, then they sleep half the day while they are "fasting" . Then at sunset, they pig out like discusting cows. But they are holier than thou. They are fasting.

[Duchifas]

Quote: Frankly, most muslims are more liberal with the Qur'an than bin laden.

I don't care how liberal they are in their minds. What I see is that they sit around and tolerate or even encourage radical Islam in their midst. That is an unacceptable situation.

I don't think it much mattered whether most Germans in WWII were more liberal than Hitler. Fact of the matter was, that the silent majority allowed the radical minority to usurp power and drag that nation into a horrendous catastrophe. And the silent majority was a willing accomplice.

The same pattern is taking place in the Arab world. By sitting around and not nipping radical Islam in the bud, the silent "liberal" majority of Muslims are inviting catastrophes on themselves. If they are unwilling to eliminate radical Islamists, America will do it for them. We are doing it in Afghanistan and Iraq already. And we will not stop there.

The only way for the "liberal" Muslims, who you say are a majority, to prevent that is to get off their proverbial fat ass and start hanging terrorists on tree branches. Unless you do it, we will do it for you, and that will end up being much more painful.

The time for Muslims to wake up is NOW.

[pharaoh]

Duchifas wrote: Quote: Frankly, most muslims are more liberal with the Qur'an than bin laden.

I don't care how liberal they are in their minds. What I see is that they sit around and tolerate or even encourage radical Islam in their midst. That is an unacceptable situation.

I don't think it much mattered whether most Germans in WWII were more liberal than Hitler. Fact of the matter was, that the silent majority allowed the radical minority to usurp power and drag that nation into a horrendous catastrophe. And the silent majority was a willing accomplice.

The same pattern is taking place in the Arab world. By sitting around and not nipping radical Islam in the bud, the silent "liberal" majority of Muslims are inviting catastrophes on themselves. If they are unwilling to eliminate radical Islamists, America will do it for them. We are doing it in Afghanistan and Iraq already. And we will not stop there.

The only way for the "liberal" Muslims, who you say are a majority, to prevent that is to get off their proverbial fat ass and start hanging terrorists on tree branches. Unless you do it, we will do it for you, and that will end up being much more painful.

The time for Muslims to wake up is NOW.

Yeah its so easy for you to just talk nonsense huh?!
The arabs cant do sh*t, maybe you still didnt get the idea that for more than 50 years now and the citizens through out the middle east cant get ride of their dictators. And you want them to start shooting the terrorists like you said before?!
Okay okay...but as i said before, I expect you to shoot Sharon too. And the whole gang that is running your army.
Anyway, what did the jews do when they saw you zionists ripping Palestine apart and killing people left and right because you people say you were following gods orders huh?
Nowadays only Israel is a country that is built on racism and terrorism and violence. And you talk to me about muslim extremists?!
Clean up your house first deary.

[Bag of Rags]

pharaoh wrote: Duchifas wrote: Quote: Frankly, most muslims are more liberal with the Qur'an than bin laden.

I don't care how liberal they are in their minds. What I see is that they sit around and tolerate or even encourage radical Islam in their midst. That is an unacceptable situation.

I don't think it much mattered whether most Germans in WWII were more liberal than Hitler. Fact of the matter was, that the silent majority allowed the radical minority to usurp power and drag that nation into a horrendous catastrophe. And the silent majority was a willing accomplice.

The same pattern is taking place in the Arab world. By sitting around and not nipping radical Islam in the bud, the silent "liberal" majority of Muslims are inviting catastrophes on themselves. If they are unwilling to eliminate radical Islamists, America will do it for them. We are doing it in Afghanistan and Iraq already. And we will not stop there.

The only way for the "liberal" Muslims, who you say are a majority, to prevent that is to get off their proverbial fat ass and start hanging terrorists on tree branches. Unless you do it, we will do it for you, and that will end up being much more painful.

The time for Muslims to wake up is NOW.

Yeah its so easy for you to just talk nonsense huh?!
The arabs cant do sh*t, maybe you still didnt get the idea that for more than 50 years now and the citizens through out the middle east cant get ride of their dictators. And you want them to start shooting the terrorists like you said before?!
Okay okay...but as i said before, I expect you to shoot Sharon too. And the whole gang that is running your army.
Anyway, what did the jews do when they saw you zionists ripping Palestine apart and killing people left and right because you people say you were following gods orders huh?
Nowadays only Israel is a country that is built on racism and terrorism and violence. And you talk to me about muslim extremists?!
Clean up your house first deary.

I'd strongly suggest you begin at least admitting that Islam is a religion that has always run parallel with violence, slaughter and bloodshed before you take a condescending tone with ANY one.

Take a look in your own pig sty "deary". :wink:

[pharaoh]

Bag of Rags wrote: pharaoh wrote: Duchifas wrote: Quote: Frankly, most muslims are more liberal with the Qur'an than bin laden.

I don't care how liberal they are in their minds. What I see is that they sit around and tolerate or even encourage radical Islam in their midst. That is an unacceptable situation.

I don't think it much mattered whether most Germans in WWII were more liberal than Hitler. Fact of the matter was, that the silent majority allowed the radical minority to usurp power and drag that nation into a horrendous catastrophe. And the silent majority was a willing accomplice.

The same pattern is taking place in the Arab world. By sitting around and not nipping radical Islam in the bud, the silent "liberal" majority of Muslims are inviting catastrophes on themselves. If they are unwilling to eliminate radical Islamists, America will do it for them. We are doing it in Afghanistan and Iraq already. And we will not stop there.

The only way for the "liberal" Muslims, who you say are a majority, to prevent that is to get off their proverbial fat ass and start hanging terrorists on tree branches. Unless you do it, we will do it for you, and that will end up being much more painful.

The time for Muslims to wake up is NOW.

Yeah its so easy for you to just talk nonsense huh?!
The arabs cant do sh*t, maybe you still didnt get the idea that for more than 50 years now and the citizens through out the middle east cant get ride of their dictators. And you want them to start shooting the terrorists like you said before?!
Okay okay...but as i said before, I expect you to shoot Sharon too. And the whole gang that is running your army.
Anyway, what did the jews do when they saw you zionists ripping Palestine apart and killing people left and right because you people say you were following gods orders huh?
Nowadays only Israel is a country that is built on racism and terrorism and violence. And you talk to me about muslim extremists?!
Clean up your house first deary.

I'd strongly suggest you begin at least admitting that Islam is a religion that has always run parallel with violence, slaughter and bloodshed before you take a condescending tone with ANY one.

Take a look in your own pig sty "deary". :wink:

lol...maybe you are referring to your cute reply in the other topic,giving me some links from Biblica and another Christian site...lol...hang in there bud...my reply is coming soon.(this gonna be fun deary)

[Bag of Rags]

pharaoh wrote: Bag of Rags wrote:

I'd strongly suggest you begin at least admitting that Islam is a religion that has always run parallel with violence, slaughter and bloodshed before you take a condescending tone with ANY one.

Take a look in your own pig sty "deary". :wink:

lol...maybe you are referring to your cute reply in the other topic,giving me some links from Biblica and another Christian site...lol...hang in there bud...my reply is coming soon.(this gonna be fun deary)

You can CONTINUE to deny history all you want. It will never change the historically accurate facts about the mayhem, bloodshed and carnage that has ALWAYS been part of Islam.

I suppose you're going to try to tell me that Mohammed never killed anybody. :roll: