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nava · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 11

Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote: Give me a name of someone who was innocent and was killed by Mohammed. If you can't then you don't know the history and if you don't know the history why are you accusing a religion and a prophet???
By the way the God of Chrisians, Jews and Muslims are one.
In Islam they call Mussa (the prophet of jews) karimollah which means God's tongue, they call Jeses rohollah which means the spirit of God, and Mohammad habibollah which means the love of God. So you see they unite all the religions in islam but look at what you or other people are doing, you seperate God, and it's religions and by this the people.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm

meaning????
please write your opinion directly so that we can have a proper discussion, then that's what these forums are for.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6953 Location: Ohio

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I posted a dictonary reference to SARCASM. In reply to your post which quoted mine. The conclusion?

My post was a sarcastic response to Bag of Rag's.

nava · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 11

Demonic Spoon wrote: ...

I posted a dictonary reference to SARCASM. In reply to your post which quoted mine. The conclusion?

My post was a sarcastic response to Bag of Rag's.

I C. I misunderstood, sorry.

Tingeling · Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 428 Location: uu.se

Woah.

I see bag of rags is up to the old "copy and paste bonanza" thing again. Amusing.

Dragoon · Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 1465 Location: California

Christians don't have clean hands either. Their hands are just as bloody as the Muslims. Both claim to be religions of peace and at their core I believe they both are. The problem resides with those few followers who twist their teachings to their own ends.

Jehan · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 3697 Location: Rhode Island

Bag of Rags wrote: I'd strongly suggest you begin at least admitting that Islam is a religion that has always run parallel with violence, slaughter and bloodshed before you take a condescending tone with ANY one.

I suggest you do more research about your own religion and learn just how many people have been killed by Christians. There are some VERY nasty figures out there for it.

Jehan · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 3697 Location: Rhode Island

Dragoon wrote: Christians don't have clean hands either. Their hands are just as bloody as the Muslims. Both claim to be religions of peace and at their core I believe they both are. The problem resides with those few followers who twist their teachings to their own ends.

Brilliant. :tu:

nava · Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 11

Dragoon wrote: Christians don't have clean hands either. Their hands are just as bloody as the Muslims. Both claim to be religions of peace and at their core I believe they both are. The problem resides with those few followers who twist their teachings to their own ends.

I agree completely. I believe all religions are peaceful.
In a basket of apples there may be a bad apple or maybe even 10 bad apples, you can't say the whole basket is bad but that's exactly what people are doing with Islam. Unfortunatly the iranian regime is using this religion to cover his actions and it seems as if some people only think with their eyes.

VoltaireUSA · Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 13

Bag of Rags wrote: Why do the two of you take SO LONG to come up with some LAME posts that do nothing but deflect and deny the truth about the bloodthirsty religion of Islam.

Demonic Spoon - you CLEARLY need to stay out of this thread, as you are COMPLETELY out of your league. You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. You can't even come up with a coherent response. You DEMAND sites - I provide sites. You deny that those sites are there. What a liar! It's hilarious!

And Pharoah - you're a complete and utter hypocrite! YOU ENDORSE ISLAMIC BLOODSHED. YOU REFUSE TO DENOUNCE IT, AND CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR IT.
And yet you make no mention of the Christian slaughterers: Crusades, control of governments, Holy Roman EMPIRE, and worst of all, the Inquisition.
THESE ARE THE HISTORICAL/CULTURAL FACTS:

1.Mohammed himself was a blood-thirsty terrorist. He and his armies SLAUGHTERED tens of thousands of people. It is a historically undeniable fact.
Yes, but in the same manner that the Christian army did in the crusades.

2. The Quran/Koran has many verses that admonish Muslims to violence and murder. They are there. Period. Explain them away any way you wish, but they are still there.
The Quran/Koran was written after the death of Mohammed, and I know that many muslims believe that many of his his words were twisted into the use of the extremists when it was written. Many muslims read only the spiritual and non-murderous words of Islam because it is the only part they believe. Not to mention, it has been rewritten numerous times.

3. Islam is a reilgion of violence and bloodshed. It always has been, and continues to be. Islam has NEVER spread without bloodshed.
It took the deliberate slaughter of many native americans, hindus, and even muslims before they converted to Christianity!

Read the posts. Do some honest research.
I did. :roll: It seems yours were on selectedy worded sites. You attempt to lecture us about doing research and admitting facts, but you omit several in your posts.

Wake up and smell the coffee, girls! :shock:

Interesting that you forget to mention that many minorities and religions have commited atrocities, yet you insist on attacking the single religion of Islam. Yes, their religion has committed bloodshed, but at least some admit it. Oh, and what kind of attitude will they take when you tell them what you've been saying to us? I'll give you a hint: the same attitude you hate. It's comments like yours that fuels the popularity of extremism. You want it to stop, then you stop flashing angry words and loaded guns first. :dance:

jimmyz · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject:

VoltaireUSA wrote: Bag of Rags wrote: Why do the two of you take SO LONG to come up with some LAME posts that do nothing but deflect and deny the truth about the bloodthirsty religion of Islam.

Demonic Spoon - you CLEARLY need to stay out of this thread, as you are COMPLETELY out of your league. You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. You can't even come up with a coherent response. You DEMAND sites - I provide sites. You deny that those sites are there. What a liar! It's hilarious!

And Pharoah - you're a complete and utter hypocrite! YOU ENDORSE ISLAMIC BLOODSHED. YOU REFUSE TO DENOUNCE IT, AND CONTINUE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR IT.
And yet you make no mention of the Christian slaughterers: Crusades, control of governments, Holy Roman EMPIRE, and worst of all, the Inquisition.
THESE ARE THE HISTORICAL/CULTURAL FACTS:

1.Mohammed himself was a blood-thirsty terrorist. He and his armies SLAUGHTERED tens of thousands of people. It is a historically undeniable fact.
Yes, but in the same manner that the Christian army did in the crusades.

2. The Quran/Koran has many verses that admonish Muslims to violence and murder. They are there. Period. Explain them away any way you wish, but they are still there.
The Quran/Koran was written after the death of Mohammed, and I know that many muslims believe that many of his his words were twisted into the use of the extremists when it was written. Many muslims read only the spiritual and non-murderous words of Islam because it is the only part they believe. Not to mention, it has been rewritten numerous times.

3. Islam is a reilgion of violence and bloodshed. It always has been, and continues to be. Islam has NEVER spread without bloodshed.
It took the deliberate slaughter of many native americans, hindus, and even muslims before they converted to Christianity!

Read the posts. Do some honest research.
I did. :roll: It seems yours were on selectedy worded sites. You attempt to lecture us about doing research and admitting facts, but you omit several in your posts.

Wake up and smell the coffee, girls! :shock:

Interesting that you forget to mention that many minorities and religions have commited atrocities, yet you insist on attacking the single religion of Islam. Yes, their religion has committed bloodshed, but at least some admit it. Oh, and what kind of attitude will they take when you tell them what you've been saying to us? I'll give you a hint: the same attitude you hate. It's comments like yours that fuels the popularity of extremism. You want it to stop, then you stop flashing angry words and loaded guns first. :dance:

One fact you don't like to bold in red is that the Inquisition ended in 1839.The other "Christian atrocities" occurred hundreds of years earlier than that.

The Islamic excuses for bloodshed today have no part in modern society.Islam has been hijacked for political use by criminals who cannot attain their goals legitimately.

Dagger · Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Location: Vancouver BC

Islam promotes. peace. Im live in Canada and I lived in pakistan. We have always been taught to defend. to fight back when we are targeted.

We were tuaght that we cannot change the mind of evryone. And let them have there religion.

What the USA is doing is screwing it self. Just like we in America are shown pictures of what terroirsts are doing. All the muslim children see images of American Cruelty, they start hating the USA. Dont say its(the bad things) not there. We know its there. Were just not SHOWN it on our media.

You can honestly say that all those troops are extremly nice and loving the people. Its called media. Dont trust it completely.

I mean we all remember the pictures of the naked men in prison right?

How much more is happening out there thats covered up. The muslims see but we dont, becuase bush hides it. the mdeia hides it.

I apologize for my bad grammer and mistakes. im in a hurry. sorry.

Ben_Huh · Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 4081 Location: Pittsburgh

Tingeling wrote: Woah.

I see bag of rags is up to the old "copy and paste bonanza" thing again. Amusing.

And I see that you can't refute what he says..... :wink:

Assalamu alaikum

Ben_Huh · Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 4081 Location: Pittsburgh

Dagger wrote: Islam promotes. peace. Im live in Canada and I lived in pakistan. We have always been taught to defend. to fight back when we are targeted.

Muslims are the Pat Robertsons of the Eastern world; Everything is somehow tied to God in one way or the other.

Ooo a Hurricane...... Masha'allah

Islam has a tendency to look at everything subjectively through the eyes of the Qu'ran, while disregarding constructive objectivism. So tell me, who does Allah tell you to defend yourself from?......5 year olds?

Who tells you that these men/women are evil? Allah or your local fascist Mullah?

Quote: What the USA is doing is screwing it self. Just like we in America are shown pictures of what terroirsts are doing. All the muslim children see images of American Cruelty, they start hating the USA. Dont say its(the bad things) not there. We know its there. Were just not SHOWN it on our media.

It's all propaganda; Here in the US though, we show both sides....if you can recall how long Abu Grahaib (Sp?) was the "front-page" story on any newspaper.....

Of course their leaders will wish to hide the truth about the corruptability of Islam while painting the Western world to be Aswad and evil......It helps keep the masses in check..... :wink:

Quote: You can honestly say that all those troops are extremly nice and loving the people. Its called media. Dont trust it completely

So US soldiers are inheritently evil?....... :roll:

Quote: How much more is happening out there thats covered up. The muslims see but we dont, becuase bush hides it. the mdeia hides it.

How much more of the Islamic world is hidden in the ME?...As I'm quite sure that their state-ran media is whole-hearted and truthful..... :lol:

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6953 Location: Ohio

Quote: Who tells you that these men/women are evil? Allah or your local fascist Mullah?

Facist Mullah. God (in Islam) condemns murder.

Dagger · Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Location: Vancouver BC

Why does everyone hate Islam?

I dont hate Islam. Fix your title. lol

The people who do hate islam its because there arrogent or ignorant or both. period.

If you research a religion any religion. almost all promote peace.

Chymical · Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject:

I enjoyed that Baggie, come back this thread needs more quackery!

AshTray900 · Joined: 21 Nov 2005 Posts: 78

honestly i think the majority of people over here dont like Islam just due to the fact that it is not Christianity. which is also why i think Islamic people tend to not like Christians, and im not talking about peacefull human beings who can get past the religious differences im talking about the rest of them. I tell you who i hate... anyone who uses religion as a basis for anything negative.

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

In the Quran there are many passages that approve of senseless violence and murder of non-believers. In the Hadiths it is worse. This is a fact. Muslims, though, can easily ignore those.

What I fail to understand is why people get so offended when other's criticize a set of ideas just because the ideas are termed a religion. The content of Communism, Fascism, Christianity, Buddhism, Conservatism, Liberalism and Islam is completely different but they're all a set of ideas, and for some weird reason if we criticize Islam (in particular) there is always a huge group of people suggesting that we are being racist or something.

I will not accept intolerance, and feel free to criticize it. Many aspects of Islam encourage intolerance and so I'll criticize it too.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6953 Location: Ohio

Quote:
In the Quran there are many passages that approve of senseless violence and murder of non-believers. In the Hadiths it is worse. This is a fact. Muslims, though, can easily ignore those.

Prove it. They have been discredited or disproved every time someone tried to post evidence of that.

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

Quote: Prove it. They have been discredited or disproved every time someone tried to post evidence of that.

I will, but first I aks you, why are you so desperate to prove that Islam is perfect and completely tolerant. It is just a silly group of irrational ideas. You don't even subscribe to them, so you must think they're stupid too.

I can criticize communism without non-communists telling me that communism is perfect by why can't I criticize Islam without people doing the same to me?

Just because it's a culture people subscribe to, it does not mean it is above criticism, or automatically perfect.

"Now when you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks until you overcome them fully..." (47:4).

"O you who have attained to faith! Fight against those unbelievers who are near you and let them find you adamant, and know that God is with those who are conscious of Him" (9:123).

"O Prophet! Strive hard (lit., make "jihad") against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be adamant with them... " (66:73).

"Slay the pagans wherever you may come upon them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place..." (9:5).

Yes, other parts of the Qu'ran disagree with these points, but it doesn't mean that these bits aren't written. There are really two Qurans. The first (written by the prophet M when he had no army and was being attacked) it is peaceful. The second written at a later date when he had an army and was killing people - no prizes for guessing which one advocates the wholesale slaughter of unbelievers.

The fact that the Quran is self-contradicting, places it in league with communism, facsism, and Christiantity for stupidity of source material.