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Demothenes
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:55 pm Post subject: Perversion of Islam |
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Okay, a couple of simple questions.
1. If the homeland of a religion (namely Islam) is prodominately controlled by a militaristic theocracy, does that mean that peaceful Muslims are the perversion?
To rephrase: Who has perversed the religion, the peaceful Muslims who have spread from the homeland, or the so called 'extremists' who are acting along the same violent and theocentric lines as the historical Muslims (Moors) who ransacked Spain?
2. If the latter is the true form of Islam, then why should we be forced to be 'accepting' and 'tolerant'? I'm not saying that we should start generalizing Muslims as violent, but certainly it's understandable that many non-Muslims are slightly cautious, and rightly so.
Any opinions on the subject? |
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logic-rules
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ransacked western europe? link please |
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Demothenes
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:32 am Post subject: |
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[url/http://staff.esuhsd.org/~balochie/studentprojects/moorchristian/[/url]
It's a pretty rudimentary explanation, but it covers the basic facts. The Moors (Muslims) attacked and conquered Spain, and attempted to do the same to France and presumably the whole of Europe.
Perhaps I was too strong when I said Europe. We'll just say the Iberian Peninsula |
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Demothenes
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| All Fixed. |
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Demothenes
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I should add a poll. |
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Mightier Than The Sword
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Islam preaches peace. End of story. It's just as pervertable as any other code of beliefs or lack thereof. |
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Demothenes
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, Islam preaches peace, but when a large number of their leaders condone, and even support, suicide bombings and terrorism, it makes you wonder which side is the true face of Islam, no? |
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ToonArmyIsComing
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Demothenes wrote: Yes, Islam preaches peace, but when a large number of their leaders condone, and even support, suicide bombings and terrorism, it makes you wonder which side is the true face of Islam, no?
True face of Islam? :? Islam like any other religion or belief system has many faces. It does not have one face. People interpret Quran's messages differently and that's why you get peaceful Muslims and violent Muslims. Islam isn't the first religion to be used to justify violent acts and it won't be the last. |
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Demonic Spoon
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| And? Christians invaded and slaughtered muslims during the Crusades. Should non-christians be worried about them? Should I be wary that when I walk up to my mother, she will take a sword and shove it through my face? |
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y_not_peace?
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| islam is peaceful....christianty is peaceful....but there are people who claim to follow both but do not act in ways permittable. The community of Islam condem what terrorists do. Anyways the Koran says not to commt sucide, the punishment is hell. |
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Glorfindel
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:30 am Post subject: |
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first of all
Islam does preach peace but that doesnt mean that Islam doesnt say that muslims should fight back and defend their lands and selves....
and i wouldnt even participate in your poll because it is vaguely set...
who are those peaceful one you are talking about?
All muslims should be peaceful and thats the main messege of Islam
Islam says fight for yourself and defend yourself and if your enemy chooses peace then you should choose that as well
and you say the moors sacked spain and destroyed it... could you please tell me... has any other european country reached that level of civilization and development as spain under the rule of the moors?
why did european scholars travel from their homeland and went to Alandalus? couldnt they learn anything back home?
muslims invaded it and made it the most civilized and wealthiest country in europe they didnt invade it to pillage it and leave
muslims are not barbarians....we had a messege and by abiding to what that messege contained... they made spain and the whole orient advance and become more civilized...
now if you want to be more specific and talk about terrorism then lets have at it...
and lemme just say this to you... Islam forbids the killing of anybody in the time of peace...
so dont jugde a religion by the acts of mere individuals...jugde Islam by what it teaches...
lets try to distinguish Islam from those who commits murder in the name of it |
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Locke25
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Demonic Spoon wrote: And? Christians invaded and slaughtered muslims during the Crusades. Should non-christians be worried about them? Should I be wary that when I walk up to my mother, she will take a sword and shove it through my face?
You can't compare the Christian Crusades to the Muslim invasion of Spain.
They did them for two completely different reason, the Christian reason being good (:-D) and the Muslims'.... not... |
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milo1047
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Locke25 wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: And? Christians invaded and slaughtered muslims during the Crusades. Should non-christians be worried about them? Should I be wary that when I walk up to my mother, she will take a sword and shove it through my face?
You can't compare the Christian Crusades to the Muslim invasion of Spain.
They did them for two completely different reason, the Christian reason being good (:-D) and the Muslims'.... not...
What's the "good" reason? |
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Locke25
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| taking back the holy land... duh... |
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ToonArmyIsComing
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Locke25 wrote: taking back the holy land... duh...
er ... and that's a "good" reason? :? |
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Locke25
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Locke25 wrote: taking back the holy land... duh...
er ... and that's a "good" reason? :?
to me... |
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ToonArmyIsComing
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Locke25 wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Locke25 wrote: taking back the holy land... duh...
er ... and that's a "good" reason? :?
to me...
Well, I'd like to burn every single Quran and Bible in this world, does that mean it's a good reason to go to war? :? |
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Locke25
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Locke25 wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Locke25 wrote: taking back the holy land... duh...
er ... and that's a "good" reason? :?
to me...
Well, I'd like to burn every single Quran and Bible in this world, does that mean it's a good reason to go to war? :?
no, you can't justify a war for that.... it'd be pointless. |
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ToonArmyIsComing
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Locke25 wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Locke25 wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: Locke25 wrote: taking back the holy land... duh...
er ... and that's a "good" reason? :?
to me...
Well, I'd like to burn every single Quran and Bible in this world, does that mean it's a good reason to go to war? :?
no, you can't justify a war for that.... it'd be pointless.
Why not? :razz:
Besides, if my reason isn't good, what makes your reason good? :wink: |
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Glorfindel
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Locke
taking back the holy land might have been what the priests used to say to get the poor and religious christians to go to palestine to fight.... but i think you know that was not the case with the kings of europe...
for those kings... the movitation was the wealths and riches of the orient... they went there to get more wealthy...
and to prove my point lemme ask you... why did richard lionheart stop his crusade and go back to england when the news of his brother john reached him about him sitting on the throne of england while he was wiping the sweat off his face near Jerusalem...
why did he go back? didnt he believe that his crusade is more important than the rule of england? wasnt fighting to take the holy land a higher and more important than the rule of england?
i could get more facts if you want... but for now lemme get the answer for my question
and why dont you christian take the holy land back today? or did it lose its importance?
the orthodox christians alongside the muslims in Jerusalem are crying out for international attention? but you dont see that on nbc or cnn
i mean let aside the muslims in Jerusalem... what about the christians? even if they are orthodox..they still are your christian brethren..
i'll wait for answers for my questions |
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