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[Little Wimp]

Quote: The dispute started last spring when a book was sent home with Parker's 5-year-old son as optional reading material to be shared with his parents. One page of the book depicted a gay family. After meeting with school officials, Parker refused to leave unless they agreed to notify him in the future if similar material is again offered to his son. He was arrested and banned from school property.


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45594

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/080405dadBook.htm

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4801212/detail.html

This is the kind of thing that makes people like me despise the gay movement. Why are they going after children who are 5 years old?
Why can't a father determine what his child can and can't be indoctrinated with when he/she is supposed to be learning the A,B,C's and 1,2,3's at school?

Welcome to the Soviet Union.

[Little Wimp]

About for the 365gay link.

That picture may be disturbing to some...

[Ben_Huh]

I see nothing wrong with what the dad did. He didn't say he wanted to ban the books outright because they included homosexuals, he just wanted the school to make parents more aware of what their children are learning at school, especially when the kid is 5.

[Jay2014]

Little Wimp wrote: Quote: The dispute started last spring when a book was sent home with Parker's 5-year-old son as optional reading material to be shared with his parents. One page of the book depicted a gay family. After meeting with school officials, Parker refused to leave unless they agreed to notify him in the future if similar material is again offered to his son. He was arrested and banned from school property.


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45594

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/080405dadBook.htm

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4801212/detail.html

This is the kind of thing that makes people like me despise the gay movement. Why are they going after children who are 5 years old?
Why can't a father determine what his child can and can't be indoctrinated with when he/she is supposed to be learning the A,B,C's and 1,2,3's at school?

Welcome to the Soviet Union.

its a book with some gay people in it, i hardly see it as indoctrination.i dont see them as "going after" them any more than a book with a black family would be black people "going after" them. i think tolerance needs to be taught young. that being said, i oppose public education, and this is one of the reasons. as much as i may find it personally offensive, i think a parent has the right to raise his or her child however they see fit.

[Little Wimp]

Ben_Huh wrote: I see nothing wrong with what the dad did. He didn't say he wanted to ban the books outright because they included homosexuals, he just wanted the school to make parents more aware of what their children are learning at school, especially when the kid is 5.

Yeah, and he got thrown in prison for it.

[Melchior]

I think you should be angry at the socialist government funded/influenced public school system holding us and our children hostage, but not the gay movement for something like this.

What are you more mad about, him being arrested or the book that teaches tolerance? Because I would be interested in why someone is angry about the book.

[Innoova]

Jay2014 wrote: Little Wimp wrote: Quote: The dispute started last spring when a book was sent home with Parker's 5-year-old son as optional reading material to be shared with his parents. One page of the book depicted a gay family. After meeting with school officials, Parker refused to leave unless they agreed to notify him in the future if similar material is again offered to his son. He was arrested and banned from school property.


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45594

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/080405dadBook.htm

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4801212/detail.html

This is the kind of thing that makes people like me despise the gay movement. Why are they going after children who are 5 years old?
Why can't a father determine what his child can and can't be indoctrinated with when he/she is supposed to be learning the A,B,C's and 1,2,3's at school?

Welcome to the Soviet Union.

its a book with some gay people in it, i hardly see it as indoctrination.i dont see them as "going after" them any more than a book with a black family would be black people "going after" them. i think tolerance needs to be taught young. that being said, i oppose public education, and this is one of the reasons. as much as i may find it personally offensive, i think a parent has the right to raise his or her child however they see fit.


Are you saying that it is Not the Parents right to know in advance whether or not controversial topics are going to be taught to their Children at 5?

Do you also support Teaching 5 year olds about Jeffrey Dhamer? I mean, Murder is something they'll need to Tolerate, Right?

[Jay2014]

Ben_Huh wrote: I see nothing wrong with what the dad did. He didn't say he wanted to ban the books outright because they included homosexuals, he just wanted the school to make parents more aware of what their children are learning at school, especially when the kid is 5.

"Parker, who is a member of the Article 8 Alliance, an organization fighting same-sex marriage in Massachusetts, demanded that the book be removed from the school library and that his son be pulled from discussions about homosexuality whether they are in planned lessons or arise spontaneously."

thats a little more than wanting to be kept involved. wanting them to pull the book from the library?
the dad got what he deserved, tresspassing is tresspassing. i agree that the kid shouldnt have to read the book though (and it said its optional)

[Jay2014]

Little Wimp wrote: Ben_Huh wrote: I see nothing wrong with what the dad did. He didn't say he wanted to ban the books outright because they included homosexuals, he just wanted the school to make parents more aware of what their children are learning at school, especially when the kid is 5.

Yeah, and he got thrown in prison for it.

he got thrown in jail overnight. prison is a different thing, he didnt go to prison.

[Ben_Huh]

Quote: its a book with some gay people in it, i hardly see it as indoctrination.i dont see them as "going after" them any more than a book with a black family would be black people "going after" them. i think tolerance needs to be taught young. that being said, i oppose public education, and this is one of the reasons. as much as i may find it personally offensive, i think a parent has the right to raise his or her child however they see fit.

I would definately say that the gay community isn't targeting these kids. Having said that, these kids are 5, and they'll believe count dracula about anything. I'm more at conflict over the age, as I feel kids that young should not exposed to anything sexual, hetero or gay alike.

Quote: he got thrown in jail overnight. prison is a different thing, he didnt go to prison.

Unless he physically harmed the principal or teacher, or caused serious chaos, he shouldn't have gone to jail period.

[Little Wimp]

Jay2014 wrote: Little Wimp wrote: Quote: The dispute started last spring when a book was sent home with Parker's 5-year-old son as optional reading material to be shared with his parents. One page of the book depicted a gay family. After meeting with school officials, Parker refused to leave unless they agreed to notify him in the future if similar material is again offered to his son. He was arrested and banned from school property.


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45594

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/080405dadBook.htm

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4801212/detail.html

This is the kind of thing that makes people like me despise the gay movement. Why are they going after children who are 5 years old?
Why can't a father determine what his child can and can't be indoctrinated with when he/she is supposed to be learning the A,B,C's and 1,2,3's at school?

Welcome to the Soviet Union.

its a book with some gay people in it, i hardly see it as indoctrination.i dont see them as "going after" them any more than a book with a black family would be black people "going after" them. i think tolerance needs to be taught young. that being said, i oppose public education, and this is one of the reasons. as much as i may find it personally offensive, i think a parent has the right to raise his or her child however they see fit.

The secret is to group your (I don't mean you) socially objectionable lifestyle with other accepted lifestyles so when anyone objects to the book, then they must be objecting to everything in the book: multi-racial and single parent families etc...

Americans aren't that dumb.

[Jay2014]

Innoova wrote: Jay2014 wrote: Little Wimp wrote: Quote: The dispute started last spring when a book was sent home with Parker's 5-year-old son as optional reading material to be shared with his parents. One page of the book depicted a gay family. After meeting with school officials, Parker refused to leave unless they agreed to notify him in the future if similar material is again offered to his son. He was arrested and banned from school property.


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45594

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/080405dadBook.htm

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4801212/detail.html

This is the kind of thing that makes people like me despise the gay movement. Why are they going after children who are 5 years old?
Why can't a father determine what his child can and can't be indoctrinated with when he/she is supposed to be learning the A,B,C's and 1,2,3's at school?

Welcome to the Soviet Union.

its a book with some gay people in it, i hardly see it as indoctrination.i dont see them as "going after" them any more than a book with a black family would be black people "going after" them. i think tolerance needs to be taught young. that being said, i oppose public education, and this is one of the reasons. as much as i may find it personally offensive, i think a parent has the right to raise his or her child however they see fit.


Are you saying that it is Not the Parents right to know in advance whether or not controversial topics are going to be taught to their Children at 5?

Do you also support Teaching 5 year olds about Jeffrey Dhamer? I mean, Murder is something they'll need to Tolerate, Right?

i have no problem with the parents being involved. and no, murder is not something we need to tolerate, and neither is bigotry.

[Innoova]

Jay2014 wrote: Innoova wrote: Jay2014 wrote: Little Wimp wrote: Quote: The dispute started last spring when a book was sent home with Parker's 5-year-old son as optional reading material to be shared with his parents. One page of the book depicted a gay family. After meeting with school officials, Parker refused to leave unless they agreed to notify him in the future if similar material is again offered to his son. He was arrested and banned from school property.


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45594

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/080405dadBook.htm

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4801212/detail.html

This is the kind of thing that makes people like me despise the gay movement. Why are they going after children who are 5 years old?
Why can't a father determine what his child can and can't be indoctrinated with when he/she is supposed to be learning the A,B,C's and 1,2,3's at school?

Welcome to the Soviet Union.

its a book with some gay people in it, i hardly see it as indoctrination.i dont see them as "going after" them any more than a book with a black family would be black people "going after" them. i think tolerance needs to be taught young. that being said, i oppose public education, and this is one of the reasons. as much as i may find it personally offensive, i think a parent has the right to raise his or her child however they see fit.


Are you saying that it is Not the Parents right to know in advance whether or not controversial topics are going to be taught to their Children at 5?

Do you also support Teaching 5 year olds about Jeffrey Dhamer? I mean, Murder is something they'll need to Tolerate, Right?

i have no problem with the parents being involved. and no, murder is not something we need to tolerate, and neither is bigotry.


Do you stop Murder?

Did you stop Jeffrey Dhamer?

Do they have to tolerate it?

[Coral]

Why is anything related to sexuality on a 5-year old kids list of readings? Heck, if mine came home with a heterosexual book at 5-years old I'd bring it back to school and stuff it up the teacher.

[callous]

Little Wimp wrote: Quote: The dispute started last spring when a book was sent home with Parker's 5-year-old son as optional reading material to be shared with his parents. One page of the book depicted a gay family. After meeting with school officials, Parker refused to leave unless they agreed to notify him in the future if similar material is again offered to his son. He was arrested and banned from school property.


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45594

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/080405dadBook.htm

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4801212/detail.html

This is the kind of thing that makes people like me despise the gay movement. Why are they going after children who are 5 years old?
Why can't a father determine what his child can and can't be indoctrinated with when he/she is supposed to be learning the A,B,C's and 1,2,3's at school?

Welcome to the Soviet Union.

what in heaven or hell makes you think that it's some kind of cult? This is a genetic condition, its a type of human. Not a religious cult. They're not "going after" anyone.

[Jay2014]

Ben_Huh wrote: Quote: its a book with some gay people in it, i hardly see it as indoctrination.i dont see them as "going after" them any more than a book with a black family would be black people "going after" them. i think tolerance needs to be taught young. that being said, i oppose public education, and this is one of the reasons. as much as i may find it personally offensive, i think a parent has the right to raise his or her child however they see fit.

I would definately say that the gay community isn't targeting these kids. Having said that, these kids are 5, and they'll believe count dracula about anything. I' more at conflict over the age, as I feel kids that young should not exposed to anything sexual, hetero or gay alike.

Quote: he got thrown in jail overnight. prison is a different thing, he didnt go to prison.

Unless he physically harmed the principal or teacher, or caused serious chaos, he shouldn't have gone to jail period.

ill agree with that. it looked like to me that the book was no more sexual than one that had just a "normal" family in it. everything regarding gays is not sexual. would you be opposed to 5 year olds reading a book that had a single parent in it?

again, i will reiterate, i think a parent should be able to pull their children out ow class if they find the curriculum objectionable, i just dont like the dad trying to force every other kid in the school to be censored by pulling the book from the library. a school has a duty to protect the kids. if they tell an angry parent to leave, and he refuses, they should call the police, and the police should arrest the parent. or at least take him off the property and give him an official warning (which may have been more appropriate in this case.)

[Ben_Huh]

Quote: i have no problem with the parents being involved. and no, murder is not something we need to tolerate, and neither is bigotry.

So I have to tolerate someone's view that homosexuality is alright, but you don't have to tolerate that I'm against it? Just because someone might have been taught that homosexuality is wrong doesn't mean they hate homosexuals.

BTW: I support gay marriage, but I laugh sometimes at the gay community when they try and tie their struggles to that of Black Americans. There not even close.

Quote: ill agree with that. it looked like to me that the book was no more sexual than one that had just a "normal" family in it. everything regarding gays is not sexual. would you be opposed to 5 year olds reading a book that had a single parent in it?

I can't say. I would be alright with any book that didn't promote one lifestyle over the other. I think public schools should inform the parents of what books are available to their children in their library. I believe it's a parent's right to know what their children are exposed to, especially at 5.

[Little Wimp]

Melchior wrote: I think you should be angry at the socialist government funded/influenced public school system holding us and our children hostage, but not the gay movement for something like this.

Your right. I just despise the gay community for being willing bedfellows (no pun intended) with Marxism.

Melchior wrote: What are you more mad about, him being arrested or the book that teaches tolerance? Because I would be interested in why someone is angry about the book.

I'm not so mad at the book or it's contents, it's the purpose the book serves that irks me. IMO isn't being used to help children understand or accept homosexuality, rather to move further toward dismantling the traditional family in lieu of the "mother government".

[Jay2014]

Innoova wrote: Jay2014 wrote: Innoova wrote: Jay2014 wrote: Little Wimp wrote: Quote: The dispute started last spring when a book was sent home with Parker's 5-year-old son as optional reading material to be shared with his parents. One page of the book depicted a gay family. After meeting with school officials, Parker refused to leave unless they agreed to notify him in the future if similar material is again offered to his son. He was arrested and banned from school property.


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45594

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/080405dadBook.htm

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4801212/detail.html

This is the kind of thing that makes people like me despise the gay movement. Why are they going after children who are 5 years old?
Why can't a father determine what his child can and can't be indoctrinated with when he/she is supposed to be learning the A,B,C's and 1,2,3's at school?

Welcome to the Soviet Union.

its a book with some gay people in it, i hardly see it as indoctrination.i dont see them as "going after" them any more than a book with a black family would be black people "going after" them. i think tolerance needs to be taught young. that being said, i oppose public education, and this is one of the reasons. as much as i may find it personally offensive, i think a parent has the right to raise his or her child however they see fit.


Are you saying that it is Not the Parents right to know in advance whether or not controversial topics are going to be taught to their Children at 5?

Do you also support Teaching 5 year olds about Jeffrey Dhamer? I mean, Murder is something they'll need to Tolerate, Right?

i have no problem with the parents being involved. and no, murder is not something we need to tolerate, and neither is bigotry.


Do you stop Murder?

Did you stop Jeffrey Dhamer?

Do they have to tolerate it?

stopping and not tolerating are two different things. i am not "stopping" racism. i do not tolerate it though. i live in rural missouri, it is something i encounter daily. when i hear it, i inform them or their stupidity, and walk away. i am not stopping it, but i do not have to tolerate it.
if we tolerated murder, that would mean not arresting dahmer in the first place.

i think you are confusing having to deal with something with having to accept it.

[Little Wimp]

Coral wrote: Why is anything related to sexuality on a 5-year old kids list of readings? Heck, if mine came home with a heterosexual book at 5-years old I'd bring it back to school and stuff it up the teacher.

I agree! :lol: