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dolphin · Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 142

anti-communist wrote: Quote: At least, from it gained the control in China in 1949 to now,I think the Chinese people's live improve so much.
But what the communist party did during 1956—1976?During that time we lag our neighborhood ,japan ,south korea ,singapore, taiwan ,even Thailand ,please see Taiwan province ,is there any province ruled by communist party richer than Taiwan (per GDP 15000 US dollar)
Taiwan’s success illustrate that Chinese is very wisdom ,if they have a good political system

You can not attribute all of it to one object. It will be more proper to put all things to the era they were in. ALl the small countries (except Taiwan province) are all small ones. They are not proper to be taken into comparison to China.
Yes, the CCP did much shi**y things under the control of chairman mao, but do you every make a comparison along the elapsing time after 1976? Before 1976, CCP took extreme left policies governing inner affairs. Now we all know it was wrong. Shall we make similiar mistakes like that ? We can not simply jump from one end to the other. We chinese shall find a way to get better life. We do not need any kind of forcible revolution. China's localmotive is slowly turning to the direction which it should have been headed 50 years ago. during this sensational period, a part of people lost what they had and another people get what they have never dreamed of by accident or inbred advantages. Most of chinese whine about the policies the CCP made. So this is why we must overthrow the party ? Good wills would not probably lead to good result.

skylance · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 163

chenmon_1983 wrote: foadi wrote: chenmon_1983 wrote: I will say,welcome to my country again.
Thanks. I consider China's modernization and development to be the most important event in the last five hundred years. I believe China will soon regain it's historical position as the most powerful country in the world, and I am trying to learn as much about the country and its people as possible.

chenmon_1983 wrote: ..........Hmm...By the way,I have attention about your signature--"Liu yifei fan".Do you mean the actress whose name is Liu Yifei in China??
Yes -- she is beautiful.

:bana: I totally agree with you...........

Liu Yifei?the actress without any expression ?I doubt she couldn't even smile like a ordinary girl...she is always acting,a doll,and...skill is awful.
oh,I don't like these younger actresses,Lin Qingxia,Zhang manyu...are all great ones.
these young girls need time,China too.

dolphin · Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 142

Liu Yi Fei is just so so. SHe will fade out in the next 1 or 2 years.

anti-communist · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 155

Quote: ALl the small countries (except Taiwan province) are all small ones. They are not proper to be taken into comparison to China.
I think this is not the main reason why mainland china lag many country during the past 50 years,in fact a nation with large territory has more advantage than nations with narrow land.There are many African countries which territory are smaller but economy are less developed than china, also USA and Canada are both big countries ,so they have advantage in developing economy than perhaps Germany .Furthermore,there is no one province or city in mainland china richer than Taiwan ( GDP 15000 per person a year) The decided factor is POLITICAL SYSTEM

anti-communist · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 155

Quote: Before 1976, CCP took extreme left policies governing inner affairs. Now we all know it was wrong. Shall we make similiar mistakes like that ? We can not simply jump from one end to the other. .
I won’t try to deny CCP’s economy reform since 1978,but in fact we, china must reform economy and politics at the same time, otherwise the economy reform will be useless(Take Qing dynasty for example)
During the 1980th, ,when corruption had appeared for the first time after 1949,former CCP leader Hu YaoBang said:“we must reform our political system”
But he was purged by supreme leader Deng XiaoPing because of 1986 students movement .Again Zhao ZiYang say the same words but purged by Deng because of 1989 demonstration .So the political reform has halted after 1989. So I sincerity hope CCP could reform its political system and give people more freedom and democracy so we can build a true “free market economy “

skylance · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 163

anti-communist wrote: Quote: ALl the small countries (except Taiwan province) are all small ones. They are not proper to be taken into comparison to China.
I think this is not the main reason why mainland china lag many country during the past 50 years,in fact a nation with large territory has more advantage than nations with narrow land.There are many African countries which territory are smaller but economy are less developed than china, also USA and Canada are both big countries ,so they have advantage in developing economy than perhaps Germany .Furthermore,there is no one province or city in mainland china richer than Taiwan ( GDP 15000 per person a year) The decided factor is POLITICAL SYSTEM
f***ing stupid,learn a little history first!South Korea,Taiwan,Singapore all made great achivements under militarism or highly centralization,poor baby,your eyes only facus one small pole in whole wall.

anybody knows that amount is the important key,espesially you face economical subject or chemical 、 physical subject,it's foolish to ignore the amount difference when you really want to research sth. like China!

and last time tell you the truth:not the communist,it's the tradition of China himself made China poor.
poltical system?baby,I tell you there are more factors than "this" to influence China.You can't find it,because you are a real fool and fooled by a few books written by fool western researchers or sb. like that!

yes,China need to be changed,but more deeper than politcal system

anti-communist · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 155

Quote: And last time tell you the truth:not the communist,it's the tradition of China himself made China poor.
NO, Chinese are very wisdom (unless you don’t believe Taiwan is a part of china).Political system is FATAL to every nations .just look at example of WEST Germany and EAST Germany, SOUTH Korea and NORTH Korea, they all belong to the same nationalities ,but have different political system ,so the difference is obviously
I have never vetoed Chinese tradition and Chinese culture ,but you do that fist, are you a really Chinese,perhaps you are a communist citizen ,Marx is your father ,not Confucius :lol:

skylance · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 163

anti-communist wrote: Quote: And last time tell you the truth:not the communist,it's the tradition of China himself made China poor.
NO, Chinese are very wisdom (unless you don’t believe Taiwan is a part of china).Political system is FATAL to every nations .just look at example of WEST Germany and EAST Germany, SOUTH Korea and NORTH Korea, they all belong to the same nationalities ,but have different political system ,so the difference is obviously
I have never vetoed Chinese tradition and Chinese culture ,but you do that fist, are you a really Chinese,perhaps you are a communist citizen ,Marx is your father ,not Confucius :lol:

typical Chinese nerd,you need time to learn how to responsible for yourself,think too much about huge political subject,you are overburdened.

I dislike CCP too, but CCP is the historical reflection of Chinese courage and nationality,it's the natural process of Chinese history.I respect the CCP,for what it done and doing,just as I respect myself.

Roma can't be builded up in a day,China is the same,obviously you can't change China by a revelution.so you'd better wait and do your job well.

that's enough.better than your useless and foolish **** here.

anti-communist · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 155

Quote: .I respect the CCP,for what it done and doing.
Lead 60 million innocent people to death unnaturally during 1950-1976?You respect that ?Do you have s** desire when you see so many people die just because of a party?

anti-communist · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 155

Quote: typical Chinese nerd,you need time to learn how to responsible for yourself.
i respect the NOBLE object, not EVIL object, this is general knowledge ,people always admire and respect noble things ,hate and disgust evil things like thief and trickster,there is no need to debate that, because it’s a GENERAL　ＫＮＯＷＬＥＤＧＥ

anti-communist · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 155

Quote: Roma can't be builded up in a day,China is the same,obviously you can't change China by a revelution.so you'd better wait and do your job well.
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dolphin · Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 142

anti-communist wrote: Quote: ALl the small countries (except Taiwan province) are all small ones. They are not proper to be taken into comparison to China.
I think this is not the main reason why mainland china lag many country during the past 50 years,in fact a nation with large territory has more advantage than nations with narrow land.There are many African countries which territory are smaller but economy are less developed than china, also USA and Canada are both big countries ,so they have advantage in developing economy than perhaps Germany .Furthermore,there is no one province or city in mainland china richer than Taiwan ( GDP 15000 per person a year) The decided factor is POLITICAL SYSTEM

Too simple, sometimes naive. ------JiangZeMin.
ALL the examples of that 4 facilitate shipping lanes.
ALL the 4 were in a rising economic tide then.
All the 4 got great benefits from U.S.
All the 4 got great benefits from China's rising up.
So what about those African countries?

You tell me do Latin American countries like Brazli, Agentina democratic? I think they are by your standard. what about their economic?

Regime do have some relation with economics. But you can not ASSERT any assertion without proved scientifically.

anti-communist · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 155

Quote: Too simple, sometimes naive. ------JiangZeMin..
That TV programe is too classic :lol: :lol: :lol:

dolphin · Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 142

anti-communist wrote: Quote: .I respect the CCP,for what it done and doing.
Lead 600 million innocent people to death unnaturally during 1950-1976?You respect that ?Do you have s** desire when you see so many people die just because of a party?

The thing is, the current leaders of CCP had already blamed those tragedy made by previous leaders. CCP has confessed all the mistakes and wrong extreme left policies they made then.Didn't you read that information?
What do you want now? If you piss off Chairman Mao, just call his name.
He should take the responsibilities .

The point is, that has nothing to do with Chief Secretary HuJinTao. Undersatand?
Why do you always like to put the current CCP administration on trial for something they did not do?
You confused CCP with some individuals.
Your hatred screwed your mind up.

dolphin · Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 142

anti-communist wrote: Quote: Too simple, sometimes naive. ------JiangZeMin..
That TV programe is too classic :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yep. very funny.

foadi · Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 13717 Location: bangkok thailand

anti-communist wrote: Quote: .I respect the CCP,for what it done and doing.
Lead 600 million innocent people to death unnaturally during 1950-1976?
Stop repeating this "600 million" nonsense. The CCP didn't kill 600 million people. China's population wasn't even 600 million in 1950.

anti-communist · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 155

foadi wrote: anti-communist wrote: Quote: .I respect the CCP,for what it done and doing.
Lead 600 million innocent people to death unnaturally during 1950-1976?
Stop repeating this "600 million" nonsense. The CCP didn't kill 600 million people. China's population wasn't even 600 million in 1950.
i have made a terrible mistake,60 million,not 600 million,
have edited it

chenmon_1983 · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:03 am Post subject:

anti-communist wrote: foadi wrote: anti-communist wrote: Quote: .I respect the CCP,for what it done and doing.
Lead 600 million innocent people to death unnaturally during 1950-1976?
Stop repeating this "600 million" nonsense. The CCP didn't kill 600 million people. China's population wasn't even 600 million in 1950.
i have made a terrible mistake,60 million,not 600 million,
have edited it

I'm tired to debate with you.If you do desire to overthrow the present Chinese government ,I can tell you that it's a dream,a dream will not come out at least 100 years till now.Oh ,I'm afraid that you are a dead man after 100 years,so the government will exist more years

Canada_Rocks · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 9043 Location: Vancouver

We have a CHinese civil war brewing right here on PCF.

****Grabs popcorn but watches TD Asian market mutual funds very closely.

chenmon_1983 · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:35 am Post subject:

Gogo Yubari wrote: We have a CHinese civil war brewing right here on PCF.

****Grabs popcorn but watches TD Asian market mutual funds very closely.

severely

between support government and anti-government