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ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

Quote: Will Kansas ban gay adoptions?

A conservative legislator in Topeka, Kan., wants to review policies allowing gays and lesbians to adopt children in foster care, an issue gay-rights advocates feared eventually would arise after voters approved a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage.

State representative Steve Huebert, a Valley Center Republican, told the Lawrence Journal-World he is pursuing the issue on behalf of a constituent worried that her granddaughter might be adopted by a lesbian and raised by a lesbian couple.

State law is silent on whether gays and lesbians can adopt foster children, who generally are in state custody because of allegations of abuse or neglect. "This is an issue that needs to be examined," Huebert said. "Things need to be spelled out better than they are."

Legislative leaders plan to meet Monday to decide what issues lawmakers will study this summer and fall before their session starts January 9. Huebert wants a study of gay adoptions.

But some leaders are cool to the idea. "This isn't an issue that has much momentum that I can tell," said senate majority leader Derek Schmidt, a Republican from Independence. "It's not something I've thought about." And house minority leader Dennis McKinney, a Democrat from Greensburg, said, "I wasn't aware that it was a problem."

Last year, 627 foster children were adopted, and about half as many children were placed in homes through private adoptions. The state doesn't keep statistics on how many gays and lesbians adopt. The state doesn't allow any unmarried couple to adopt foster children. However, unmarried individuals can, and the question of sexual orientation isn't asked, said Mike Deines, a spokesman for the Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services.

In April voters approved an amendment to the state constitution banning same-sex marriage and civil unions for gay couples. The amendment declares the only legal marriage is Kansas as a union between one man and one woman. Even before the vote, gay-rights advocates suggested a ban on gay adoptions, patterned after policies in Texas and Florida, was on the agenda of amendment supporters.

"This is all about discrimination and hating gays--that's all it is," said Bruce Ney, chairman of Kansans for Fairness, a group formed to oppose the amendment. Ney also said a discussion about gay adoptions is part of a strategy to motivate conservatives to turn out voters against Gov. Kathleen Sebelius's reelection next year. Sebelius, a Democrat, hasn't said she's opposed to a ban on gay and lesbian adoptions, but said she'd hesitate to enact any policy that prevents a child from finding a loving home. Spokeswoman Nicole Corcoran said the administration hasn't looked at the issue.

Huebert, who supported the marriage amendment, said a review of gay adoptions isn't related: "All I'm saying is that this is an issue that ought to be looked at in a thoughtful way." (AP)

http://www.advocate.com/news_detail.asp?id=18845

Hmm ... looks like they are afraid that these kids might "catch" homosexuality from their gay parents!!! :roll:

eXploiTeD · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 7995

I just don't get it. Adoption agencies are just racket schemes now... Like, what the f**k? Why are they so picky and moralistic? "You don't make $80,000 a year! You can't have a kid!" or "You're gay, so you're not fit to parent!" or "We can still milk another $10,000 in processing fees out of you yet, so hold on a bit..."

Having a home is good enough. Pack these kids up, get them in homes, and let them start their real lives.

StrangerWitCandy · Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 5387 Location: Fairfax, VA

what next? they gonna tell us to wear pink triangles so we don't 'infect' anyone who didn't know we were gay? :roll:

eXploiTeD · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 7995

StrangerWitCandy wrote: what next? they gonna tell us to wear pink triangles so we don't 'infect' anyone who didn't know we were gay? :roll:

Actually, the next logical step would be to contain the infection. I propose a nationwide investigation of those who are guilty of committing crimes against traditional sexual morality. When we know who has done what, we can start performing the appropriate biblical punishment... stoning, flogging or being burned alive, depending on the offense.

StrangerWitCandy · Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 5387 Location: Fairfax, VA

eXploiTeD wrote: StrangerWitCandy wrote: what next? they gonna tell us to wear pink triangles so we don't 'infect' anyone who didn't know we were gay? :roll:

Actually, the next logical step would be to contain the infection. I propose a nationwide investigation of those who are guilty of committing crimes against traditional sexual morality. When we know who has done what, we can start performing the appropriate biblical punishment... stoning, flogging or being burned alive, depending on the offense.

i'm laughing, but at the same time i know some people probably wouldn't think that is such a bad idea... :-|

eXploiTeD · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 7995

StrangerWitCandy wrote: eXploiTeD wrote: StrangerWitCandy wrote: what next? they gonna tell us to wear pink triangles so we don't 'infect' anyone who didn't know we were gay? :roll:

Actually, the next logical step would be to contain the infection. I propose a nationwide investigation of those who are guilty of committing crimes against traditional sexual morality. When we know who has done what, we can start performing the appropriate biblical punishment... stoning, flogging or being burned alive, depending on the offense.

i'm laughing, but at the same time i know some people probably wouldn't think that is such a bad idea... :-|

Why are you laughing? I'm trying to prevent the United States from falling into a state of rapid decay, brought on by the gay menace. Something has to be done before my family is destroyed because some guy got married to another guy across town. This is hurting my family. It is hurting my kids. It is hurting our schools, our military, our television programming, our sense of self-righteousness... What doesn't bum sex hurt?

StrangerWitCandy · Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 5387 Location: Fairfax, VA

eXploiTeD wrote: StrangerWitCandy wrote: eXploiTeD wrote: StrangerWitCandy wrote: what next? they gonna tell us to wear pink triangles so we don't 'infect' anyone who didn't know we were gay? :roll:

Actually, the next logical step would be to contain the infection. I propose a nationwide investigation of those who are guilty of committing crimes against traditional sexual morality. When we know who has done what, we can start performing the appropriate biblical punishment... stoning, flogging or being burned alive, depending on the offense.

i'm laughing, but at the same time i know some people probably wouldn't think that is such a bad idea... :-|

Why are you laughing? I'm trying to prevent the United States from falling into a state of rapid decay, brought on by the gay menace. Something has to be done before my family is destroyed because some guy got married to another guy across town. This is hurting my family. It is hurting my kids. It is hurting our schools, our military, our television programming, our sense of self-righteousness... What doesn't bum sex hurt?

well if you promise not to tell anyone, i kind of like giving it to society... up the bum. 8) if thats how they're gonna act

SavannahMan · Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 1307

Will Kansas ban gay adoptions? We can only hope.

eXploiTeD · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 7995

SavannahMan wrote: Will Kansas ban gay adoptions? We can only hope.

The gay adoption argument has already been won on this site. It's clear that people who oppose it are generally uninformed about their own opinion... and why it tends to make no sense. Besides, science is on our side: people with gay parents do not turn into homosexuals themselves, nor are they more inclined to anti-social behaviour.

Melchior · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 9450 Location: Palm Beach

eXploiTeD wrote: SavannahMan wrote: Will Kansas ban gay adoptions? We can only hope.

The gay adoption argument has already been won on this site.

When?

John was still advocating against it when he was in our HQ.

SavannahMan · Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 1307

Mel appears to be one of those people who actually thinks they win a debate simply by declaring victory

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6845 Location: Ohio

SavannahMan, you have YET to make an arguement. You have simply stated your position. Thererfor, until you make an arguement, Melichor has won.

d357r0y3r · Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 539

This issue has never be resolved for me. I would try and find some statistics/studies that say one way or the other, but I'm just going to go on common sense here.

If two men adopt a daughter - doesn't it seem like there are some things that just require a woman? I mean, when that girl is going through puberty, how is she going to feel comfortable discussing certain things with a man? It's counter-productive. I love both of my parents, but the facts stand that there are some things I only feel comfortable talking about with my father. A man has never gone through female puberty (obviously) so it seems to me that they would not have valid advice to offer. Why isn't this a reasonable opinion?

PrinceJunius · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject:

d357r0y3r wrote: This issue has never be resolved for me. I would try and find some statistics/studies that say one way or the other, but I'm just going to go on common sense here.

If two men adopt a daughter - doesn't it seem like there are some things that just require a woman? I mean, when that girl is going through puberty, how is she going to feel comfortable discussing certain things with a man? It's counter-productive. I love both of my parents, but the facts stand that there are some things I only feel comfortable talking about with my father. A man has never gone through female puberty (obviously) so it seems to me that they would not have valid advice to offer. Why isn't this a reasonable opinion?

Come now, do you really think a kid's parents are the only adults in that kid's life? Besides, I never talked to my dad about puberty questions. I always asked my mom or my English teacher, both of them females. I don't go looking for specific genders when I have a question about myself.

Jay2014 · Joined: 31 May 2005 Posts: 1243

d357r0y3r wrote: This issue has never be resolved for me. I would try and find some statistics/studies that say one way or the other, but I'm just going to go on common sense here.

If two men adopt a daughter - doesn't it seem like there are some things that just require a woman? I mean, when that girl is going through puberty, how is she going to feel comfortable discussing certain things with a man? It's counter-productive. I love both of my parents, but the facts stand that there are some things I only feel comfortable talking about with my father. A man has never gone through female puberty (obviously) so it seems to me that they would not have valid advice to offer. Why isn't this a reasonable opinion?

i dont talk to my dad about, really anything. growing up i confided in my mom about everything. i had no problem wih it.

d357r0y3r · Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 539

PrinceJunius wrote: d357r0y3r wrote: This issue has never be resolved for me. I would try and find some statistics/studies that say one way or the other, but I'm just going to go on common sense here.

If two men adopt a daughter - doesn't it seem like there are some things that just require a woman? I mean, when that girl is going through puberty, how is she going to feel comfortable discussing certain things with a man? It's counter-productive. I love both of my parents, but the facts stand that there are some things I only feel comfortable talking about with my father. A man has never gone through female puberty (obviously) so it seems to me that they would not have valid advice to offer. Why isn't this a reasonable opinion?

Come now, do you really think a kid's parents are the only adults in that kid's life? Besides, I never talked to my dad about puberty questions. I always asked my mom or my English teacher, both of them females. I don't go looking for specific genders when I have a question about myself.

I'm sorry. Call me old school, I just think it is a fathers responsibility to tell his son what is socially acceptable, and moral - in regards to sexuality. I can promise you that your English teacher or your mom don't know certain things about being a guy.

PrinceJunius · Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:48 am Post subject:

d357r0y3r wrote:

I'm sorry. Call me old school, I just think it is a fathers responsibility to tell his son what is socially acceptable, and moral - in regards to sexuality. I can promise you that your English teacher or your mom don't know certain things about being a guy.

There is no study that shows that you need to be the same gender as your child to raise him/her properly.

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

d357r0y3r wrote: This issue has never be resolved for me. I would try and find some statistics/studies that say one way or the other, but I'm just going to go on common sense here.

If two men adopt a daughter - doesn't it seem like there are some things that just require a woman? I mean, when that girl is going through puberty, how is she going to feel comfortable discussing certain things with a man? It's counter-productive. I love both of my parents, but the facts stand that there are some things I only feel comfortable talking about with my father. A man has never gone through female puberty (obviously) so it seems to me that they would not have valid advice to offer. Why isn't this a reasonable opinion?

I have never really discussed "certain things" with another man or woman when I was growing up! I discovered everything on my own! I am happy that it happened that way. I would be very uncomfortable if my dad or my mom talked to me about sexuality, but then again that's me and I am happy that they never told me anything.