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PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:20 am Post subject:

KG wrote: Junius,

In my experiences God isn't good, and the Devil isn't bad. Insteed God is Right, and the devil is wrong. Now what is wrong is to give up on something you have held on to from the time you were born (since there was a crusifix in your room). What would be right is to realize that not everything you do is the right thing, and that you can change. In a way God is testing you emosionally and spiritually. Everyone, everywhere gets tested in their lives it's part of growing up. Those who can't deal with the pressure and give up are doomed. But even if you tore the crusifix off your wall and swore at God, you arn't past redemption, that's the beautiful thing about God, he will forgive you. But you must show him you want to be forgiving by gritting your teeth and fixing your troubles. Through this you will gain personal strength and will be worthy of redemption in the eyes of GOD.

If going back to God means no relationships with other men, forget it. I won't deny myself something so essential to my being just to please some God. I am a good person and try to do what is right, and if that is not good enough for God, than I guess he is not as awesome as I thought he was.

Quote: but it still doesn't mean God is at fault for you losing David. that was your decisions that caused that..

God is to blame. It's his damn book that is being twisted in order to deny me of a relationship that made me feel truly happy. He should have seen it coming. If God hates gay people, than I cannot respect that God. I cannot respect a God who wants me to be unhappy so he can be worshipped.

EightyEight · Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 4063

Did you understand what I said? It's not God's fault for any of this, unless giving humans free will was a bad thing.

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: St Marys

Quote: God is to blame. It's his damn book that is being twisted in order to deny me of a relationship that made me feel truly happy. He should have seen it coming. If God hates gay people, than I cannot respect that God. I cannot respect a God who wants me to be unhappy so he can be worshipped.

:shock: there's too much wrong with that .. i don't know where to begin..

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 7106 Location: Ohio

He's saying that the reason gays are so hated, and the reason this happened, was because the Bible condemns homosexuality.

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: St Marys

Iluvguns wrote: He's saying that the reason gays are so hated, and the reason this happened, was because the Bible condemns homosexuality.

first, i don't hate gays. i don't agree with their lifestyle, but i don't hate them.
second, how many people REALLY make decisions in their life based on what the Bible says?

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:26 am Post subject:

EightyEight wrote: Did you understand what I said? It's not God's fault for any of this, unless giving humans free will was a bad thing.

I did not ask for free will. What is the point of giving me free will if God is going to demand that I follow his rules anyway? That's ridiculous.

Quote: Do you not see your own selfishness? You want what you want, regardless of God's rules. You care more about your sins of the flesh, then God, selfishness. And get over David man, you're THIRTEEN. And you truly do care more about some "love" of yours then God?

Maybe I do care more about David than I do about God. When I had David, I thanked God for him everyday. But now, he clearly doesn't appreciate my gratitude, because he took David away from me. God wants me to be unhappy, and I will not bow down to him if that is what he wants.

If loving another human being is a sin, than there is no God.

EightyEight · Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 4063

Alot.

KG · Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Posts: 152

If you can't get over your own lust for another man then you should take a hard look at your long term future...Hell. I've never been there but I hear it's pretty bad.

You should stop concentrating on all that is wrong with yourlife. Be thankful your alive with two loving parents who know what's best for you. You have your entire future a head of you don't blow it over a temporary feud.

God isn't the same to everyone. Just ask all of us here who are trying to convince you to come back to God. God means something very special, personal, and different to each individual here, you just need to find what he means to you. I must admit, there was a time before I was who I am today that wasn't sure of this whole God thing. Then after several years I was able to finally discover who I was, and that God was as much of a part of me as anything.

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:28 am Post subject:

KG wrote: If you can't get over your own lust for another man then you should take a hard look at your long term future...Hell. I've never been there but I hear it's pretty bad.

Who says this is lust? I had feelings for him. I wanted his love, not his body.

EightyEight · Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 4063

Quote: I did not ask for free will. What is the point of giving me free will if God is going to demand that I follow his rules anyway? That's ridiculous.

No it isn't. He lets us make the choice of what we want to do with our lives.

Quote: Maybe I do care more about David than I do about God. When I had David, I thanked God for him everyday. But now, he clearly doesn't appreciate my gratitude, because he took David away from me. God wants me to be unhappy, and I will not bow down to him if that is what he wants.

If loving another human being is a sin, than there is no God.

You should never love anyone above God.

Basically what you are saying is, you made the decision to commit sinful acts, those that recognize that they are sinful are punishing you out of their free will but not out of God's command, and therefore there must not be a God.

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:

Quote: God doesn't want you to be unhappy because scripture says the opposite.

God does want me to be unhappy, because he is "supposedly" demanding something of me that will make me unhappy. So, it's either follow him and be miserable my entire life, or not follow him but have a happy and fulfilled life where I am emotionally taken care of.

EightyEight · Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 4063

PrinceJunius wrote: Quote: God doesn't want you to be unhappy because scripture says the opposite.

God does want me to be unhappy, because he is "supposedly" demanding something of me that will make me unhappy.

He asks that you not commit sin. You are his property, your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and he wishes you not defile it.

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:37 am Post subject:

EightyEight wrote:

He asks that you not commit sin. You are his property, your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and he wishes you not defile it.

I didn't ask to be his property. This is not his body, it's my body. He is not the one feeling the effects of what I do with it, I am the one who feels the effects. I think I deserve some say over what I do with it.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

KG wrote: Junius,

In my experiences God isn't good, and the Devil isn't bad. Insteed God is Right, and the devil is wrong. Now what is wrong is to give up on something you have held on to from the time you were born (since there was a crusifix in your room). What would be right is to realize that not everything you do is the right thing, and that you can change. In a way God is testing you emosionally and spiritually. Everyone, everywhere gets tested in their lives it's part of growing up. Those who can't deal with the pressure and give up are doomed. But even if you tore the crusifix off your wall and swore at God, you arn't past redemption, that's the beautiful thing about God, he will forgive you. But you must show him you want to be forgiving by gritting your teeth and fixing your troubles. Through this you will gain personal strength and will be worthy of redemption in the eyes of GOD.

I think that is right.

I'm sorry this happened to you Junius, put I think the people here who said this is a test from God are right.

I'll be praying for you, to receive guidance from God.

Pray for guidance and you will get it.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Locke25 wrote: Iluvguns wrote: He's saying that the reason gays are so hated, and the reason this happened, was because the Bible condemns homosexuality.

first, i don't hate gays. i don't agree with their lifestyle, but i don't hate them.
second, how many people REALLY make decisions in their life based on what the Bible says?

Not very many. Sadly.

Nism0 · Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Posts: 14

To say that homosexuality is a sin is ridiculous. God, as it is represented through christianity is a joke. Wheter you choose to believe in god or not is up to you, however do not conform to a religon that will deny you something like love. Their religon is only that way because it is tradition and they refuse to change a rule because god made it and god is infoulable. Well, obviously not. If god was infoulable why would he make a rule banning you from love.

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:46 am Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote:

I think that is right.

I'm sorry this happened to you Junius, put I think the people here who said this is a test from God are right.

I'll be praying for you, to receive guidance from God.

Pray for guidance and you will get it.

I'm sick of praying, and I don't want anyone to pray for me. It's about time I started living for myself. It sounds selfish, but it is not healthy to make myself miserable for some God that may not even exist.

KG · Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Posts: 152

PrinceJunius wrote:
I didn't ask to be his property. This is not his body, it's my body. He is not the one feeling the effects of what I do with it, I am the one who feels the effects. I think I deserve some say over what I do with it.

Did you computer ask to be your property, No. Sometimes you must deal with things you don't like. And in fact it is his body. He created it from your mother and father. And yes he feels all your pain, agony, joy, and strength. You do have say in what you do with it, it's free will, you do with it what you like. But be mindfull, what you do to yourself you do to him.

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:49 am Post subject:

soldierofchrist wrote:
Do you think a human being is worth giving up eternal life?

I would give up eternal life for David. He is worth it. He is worth ten eternal lives.

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:51 am Post subject:

KG wrote:

Did you computer ask to be your property, No. Sometimes you must deal with things you don't like. And in fact it is his body. He created it from your mother and father.

No, because my computer is not a live being, therefore it is incapable of asking.

And he did not create my body through my mother and father. My dad's sperm and my mom's egg exchanged chromosomes and I developed slowly out of the fertilized egg.

Quote: And yes he feels all your pain, agony, joy, and strength. You do have say in what you do with it, it's free will, you do with it what you like. But be mindfull, what you do to yourself you do to him

Perfect. Than God understands why I need David.