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learn to swim · Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject:

Locke25 wrote: And what do you propose? We get rid of our space shuttle & use RUSSIA'S? I'm not a big fan of the Russians. Or do you want to get rid of NASA all together...?

I think our shuttle is a work in progress.. and once we get over this problem we're having now.. I think they'll either improve our current shuttle or make a new one similar to the Russian's. It's not shot to hell. If everytime we ran into a problem & we quit, well I don't think we'd get too far..

Go back and read my posts. I don't think you are reading them.

You are either not comprehending what I am saying or you are not reading the whole post.

Quote: The actual exploration was not market initiated, but Military initiated. Once the military get out of it, the peacetime developments just don’t do the job.

I have never thought of it that way - that is pretty dead on. :wink:

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: St Marys

Huh? how is this militarily initiated?

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 23116 Location: ZzZzZzZz

eh, the Cold War? Sputnik?

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: St Marys

cold war is over. who are we in a space race with now? and why?

learn to swim · Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject:

Locke25 wrote: Huh? how is this militarily initiated?

The race to the moon was all about military. The militarization of space was the tipping point of the Cold war. "Star Wars" ring a bell?

Not to be mean but how old are you? This may be why you are not understanding my points of view.

learn to swim · Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject:

Locke25 wrote: cold war is over. who are we in a space race with now? and why?

That is the point. They are not motivated like they used to be. :wink:

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: St Marys

that's not fair that theyre not motivated anymore. some of us still care about the astronomy part of NASA.

and im 5 years old. thats why i dont understand you.

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 23116 Location: ZzZzZzZz

Locke25 wrote: cold war is over. who are we in a space race with now? and why? we are not, in terms of a space station. this is my point, that the military got out of it.

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: St Marys

ohhhhhhhh. I get it.

Because he said.. "Once the military get out of it, the peacetime developments just don’t do the job."

and then he said.. "That is the point. They are not motivated like they used to be."

so you are both trying to tell me we're not that good anymore because theres no military and motivation?

Dookiestix · Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject:

:ot:

How did this become so political? Locke, this isn't about poo-pooing the U.S. for their space program. It's more about what we can to do IMPROVE it!!

It's great that the Russians can come to rescue us, and it probably serves a highly valuable service for the cause of diplomatic relationships. But the issue really is about what the U.S. can do to better it's space program(s).

I believe private industry, in this case, can serve a valuable purpose.

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: St Marys

I'm not poo-pooing. Believe me, I'm the first person that wants to improve it. Hell, I'm actually wearing a NASA shirt while typing this. There. Shows you how much i love it.

Didn't I reply to your post agreeing with you about improvements that should be made? I think i did.

Edit: Me wrote: we should lower the cost of space travel, but not lessen the amount of money given to NASA. if they lessen the amount of money, then fewer explorations will be able to be launched, while lowering the cost of space travel & keeping the amount of money given is the same will allow more explorations.

Yea, sounds like I'm poo-pooing.

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 23116 Location: ZzZzZzZz

i don't think it is off topic. we discussed reasons why the peacetime program is so frail with error while the military contractors are working fine.

learn to swim · Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:12 pm Post subject:

Locke25 wrote: I'm not poo-pooing. Believe me, I'm the first person that wants to improve it. Hell, I'm actually wearing a NASA shirt while typing this. There. Shows you how much i love it.

Didn't I reply to your post agreeing with you about improvements that should be made? I think i did.

He is advocating space exploration - not NASA. NASA is the problem right now - they need to step up to the plate or go by the wayside.

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: St Marys

Okay, learn to swim, let's hear some improvements you think need to be made for NASA.

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 23116 Location: ZzZzZzZz

Well. the military today is concerned more with satellite tech than anything, while space exploration has no commercial apps except industrial laboratories. government programs are the main moltivation for space exploration, but the scientists tend to go on tangents and whatnot.
in any case, the program is pretty much inefficient without a timetable and urgency.

Dookiestix · Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject:

Kennedy's vision of landing a man on the moon by the end of the 60's was directly born out of the space race between the two military superpowers during the cold war.

This is common knowledge. Is it possible that there is now a generation of Americans who do not recognize that fact?

Locke25 · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3636 Location: St Marys

alright. we get the problems. but what shall we do to fix this? or is it not fixable? :(

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 23116 Location: ZzZzZzZz

Dookiestix wrote: Kennedy's vision of landing a man on the moon by the end of the 60's was directly born out of the space race between the two military superpowers during the cold war.

This is common knowledge. Is it possible that there is now a generation of neocons who do not recognize that fact? why do you have to bring neocons into this? and complain about politicization? what?

Dookiestix · Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:18 pm Post subject:

Locke25 wrote: alright. we get the problems. but what shall we do to fix this? or is it not fixable? :(

P-R-I-V-A-T-I-Z-A-T-I-O-N. Commercial development. Commercial competition.

Bring it on!

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 23116 Location: ZzZzZzZz

Locke25 wrote: alright. we get the problems. but what shall we do to fix this? or is it not fixable? :( well, if nothing this is another strike against collectivism/utopianism