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tk750 · Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: look at the US

the hare wrote: If you can glorify the the wars of America, then you can glorify the wars of Japan.
The Hare

Um.. listen, the whole topic is if we should honor Japanese soldiers. What I am trying to say is that the wars of Japan were always Japan attacking another country. Always the agressor. Japan invaded Korea, China, and even attacked the US. The wars of America had a reason other than a pursuit of natural resources for an expanding population. Also, the US did not kidnap women for pleasure for the soldiers, did not kidnap others to fight for the front lines, and as hell did not invade any country (other than Iraq). When I say to an extent, I know that there are good Japanese soldiers there, but they were fighting for the wrong cause. So take WWII German veterans. Sure they fought for their country but think about what they were fighting for, Hitler. Think of how much suffering Japan caused from Pearl Harbor, Korea, and China. We had not done anything yet they attacked us. Should we really honor such soldiers who also commited abominable acts? Act yourself that.

P.S. Do not say HELL YEAH b/c you're Japanese. Really think ahead before you post anything because your post does not make sense.

TwinkieDP · Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3706 Location: US

Yes, war makes people see the other side as less than human. All people's, regardless of nationality, have done terrible things to others during times of conflict. However, the stories of what the Japanese did to their enemies are more brutal than any I have heard in the history of human conflicts. Like the poster above said, Japanese have been the aggressor all thru the entirety of the 20th century. Chinese people as well as other victims of Japanese aggressors will never be able to forget this. The U.S. is an exception in this case, despite Pearl Harbor.

The fact that the U.S. is willing to look the other way in regards to the behavior of Japanese gov't towards this issue shows the unscrupulous nature of the American gov't. The U.S. is willing to get into bed with anyone, be they brutal dictators or unapologetic aggressors, as long as they can be used to serve American geopolitical strategy.

DD7 · Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 39

Chinese are known to mislead and exagerate things.

In any case, what's the big deal, Japanese were in china. Why did that p***k Rosevelt betray American isolationism sentiments of the people and provoke the Japanese. 200,000 Americans dead for nothing.

tk750 · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject:

DD7 wrote: Chinese are known to mislead and exagerate things.

In any case, what's the big deal, Japanese were in china. Why did that p***k Rosevelt betray American isolationism sentiments of the people and provoke the Japanese. 200,000 Americans dead for nothing.

How was Roosevelt a p***k? Also how did he anger the Japanese? He led us in WWII. The Japanese attacked us in Pearl Harbor. He was a great leader and was actually re-elected passing the two time presidency. You do realize that America couldn't have been isolated throughout WWII. A repeat of the events in WWI would ensue. We were naturally supporting Britain and would prolly go and trade with them again resulting in U boats attacking American boats. History repeats itself.

Also get your facts straight, Japan had pre-emptively attacked America to attain American held Phillipines so that they could still maintain enough resources for their ever growing population and industrialization. The reason the Japanese attacked America was not b/c of Roosevelt's blundering mistatkes that provoked the Japanese but more for an economic reason.

DD7 · Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 39

Rosevelt wanted to get involved in global affairs while americans wanted to stay out of it. He lied and mislead the people with his so called isolation speech.

He knew that Japan could not last longer than a year with american oil embargo, and hence had been arming the army since 1933, he was expecting war and thats what he got. Had he avoided embargo, japan could peacefully have stayed in china.

Japanese attacked on the assumption that america would stand down if they crushed the pacific fleet at pearl harbour.

TwinkieDP · Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3706 Location: US

DD7 wrote: Rosevelt wanted to get involved in global affairs while americans wanted to stay out of it. He lied and mislead the people with his so called isolation speech.

He knew that Japan could not last longer than a year with american oil embargo, and hence had been arming the army since 1933, he was expecting war and thats what he got. Had he avoided embargo, japan could peacefully have stayed in china.
Japanese attacked on the assumption that america would stand down if they crushed the pacific fleet at pearl harbour. Had the U.S. not imposed the embargo, Japan would have continued to build its military and expand her imperial ambitions. Japan could have become the regional power of East Asia. Do you think Japan would have been satisfied with East Asia? Do you think Hitler would have stayed in Europe and North Africa if America stood back and let him run all over?

Canada_Rocks · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 9012 Location: Vancouver

WHy do people get the urge to restart debates from 6 months ago?

tk750 · Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject:

Canada_rocks wrote: WHy do people get the urge to restart debates from 6 months ago?

Because... ur mom

TwinkieDP · Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3706 Location: US

Canada_rocks wrote: WHy do people get the urge to restart debates from 6 months ago? Cuz we're bored...Duh.... :roll:

Canada_Rocks · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 9012 Location: Vancouver

Danpt2000 wrote: Canada_rocks wrote: WHy do people get the urge to restart debates from 6 months ago? Cuz we're bored...Duh.... :roll:

M'kaaaaaaaaaaay.

Ch33kY · Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 1281

doudou wrote:
Among them those died in Pearl Harbour, Australia and Iwojima….

How many died in Australia? I am unaware of any.

CMB · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:04 am Post subject:

I don't blame the Japanese people, they thought they were doing the honourable thing, fighting for their nation. Remember Japan was in a pretty bad depression before the Wars and they were looking for hope.

TwinkieDP · Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3706 Location: US

CMB wrote: I don't blame the Japanese people, they thought they were doing the honourable thing, fighting for their nation. Remember Japan was in a pretty bad depression before the Wars and they were looking for hope. You sir don't know what the hell you're talking about....

antonio62 · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject:

Why should the Japanese apologise for what happened in the war? It was a different government and it was different people. There is no nation that hasn't committed horrible war atrocities. Most of them haven't and aren't blamed for not apologising why is the Japanese case so special.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 15867 Location: On Earth

antonio62 wrote: Why should the Japanese apologise for what happened in the war? It was a different government and it was different people. There is no nation that hasn't committed horrible war atrocities. Most of them haven't and aren't blamed for not apologising why is the Japanese case so special.

Exactly. The current government of Japan and the Japanese people in general have nothing to apologize for. If it's anyone who should be doing the apologizing, it's any living Japanese general who was giving such brutal orders at the time of the second world war... that is, if any of them are alive today.

Skufr · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 21 Location: NOT EU

must-crush-capitalism888 wrote: One Japanese Samurai wrote , "If one were to enter a cave and find his enemy sleeping on the ground, he is to kick up his pillow, toss him a sword and battle, when the enemy feels fit..." Well, I think it is quite evident that at Pearl Harbour, this "code" was not followed. Killing civilians, burning villages, raping women, for the love of god... What kind of honour is that? I don't give a bloody care whether these men thought they were fighting for the divine right of the Emperor, or God for that matter. The fact of the matter is: they pointlessly killed innocent people, tortured the people fighting for "good" and have never acknowledged that they have done anything wrong! Therefore, they do not deserve respect.

The Japanese atrocities were not founded in their military code ( Bushido ), but in their views on non-Japanese as sub-humans ( Gaijin ). The treatment of POWs was inconsistent with the Emperor Meiji's 'Imperial Rescript to Soldiers', yet they still treated the POWs like dirt. Racial hatred is a powerful motivation I guess.

mikallang · Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:04 am Post subject:

hey Saracen......hows that hamas gov't workin out for ya?

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8289 Location: Petah Tikva

The casualties for Japan are far to low, Japan suffered over 2,000,000 military deaths alone during World War 2, the Sino Japanese war killed another 150,000-200,00.

NautaPuella · Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 29 Location: United Kingdom

IronBrigadeMike (IBM) wrote: The_Right_Honourable wrote: They did intend to declare war before attacking Pearl Harbour.

It was a great dishonour for Tojo and many Japanese that they declared war AFTER the attack.

:lol: They teach that they planned to declare war but they weren't able to notify the U.S. in time before the attack :roll: . Give me a break. They are just trying to cover up more of what they did.

June 20, 1934 - Commander in Chief, Asiatic Fleet Admiral Frank Upham reports to CNO that based on analyses of Japanese radio traffic, "any attack by (Japan) would be made without previous declaration of war or intentional warning."
Dates in Naval History: June

What a coincidence that I looked up Naval History last week for my department and found this.

nicksinif · Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 12

while we're at it, lets build a memorial for hitler too and make hitlers birthday a holiday