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[Lancaster]

Children please! Marxistrevolutionary, Margo was addressing wolf and agreeing with you... God! just shut up about Empirical, ALL OF YOU! it can mean what both of you thought, take chemistry and you'll know. (As in Empirical Formula, where it means barebone, or simplest). In other contexts it can mean Imperial, as in Empire. That's the END OF IT!

[marxistrevolutionary]

i was addresing wolf myself, i jsut still havent gotten a hang of the whole qoute thing yet.

[Margo]

marxistrevolutionary wrote: i was addresing wolf myself, i jsut still havent gotten a hang of the whole qoute thing yet.

For the quote thing, it took me awhile to figure it out, too. If you want to quote a particular statement from someone, copy and then paste it into the new space you've created. Then go back over the statement as in highlighting it, keep it highlighted and go up to the tool bar and select quote and it will add the word quote to both ends of the highlighted statement. You can always check the preview button to see how it looks. Hope this helps?

[marxistrevolutionary]

thanks for the info on the whole qoute thing.

[Saracen]

Of course the American Government is dishonest to other countries. They lied and lied and lied to get their way. No WMD's in Iraq, and guess what? They had to invade it anyways. The American Government is Imperialist, no doubt about that. They just can't wait to rule the world...

Oh wait. They are already doing it. The UN is just a puppet. With the VETO, they have the last word on everything. With the VETO, they turned down almost ALL UN resolutions against the State of Israel. With the VETO, they turned down the resolution to send security forces to protect the innocent Palestinian civilians. "Terrorists"... yeah, riiiight. With the VETO, they denied the UN resolution that Iraq has NO WMD's. They just don't care. They boast and lie to get their way. They go around and take, take, TAKE!!! :x

[Margo]

Moath wrote: Of course the American Government is dishonest to other countries. They lied and lied and lied to get their way. No WMD's in Iraq, and guess what? They had to invade it anyways. The American Government is Imperialist, no doubt about that. They just can't wait to rule the world...

Oh wait. They are already doing it. The UN is just a puppet. With the VETO, they have the last word on everything. With the VETO, they turned down almost ALL UN resolutions against the State of Israel. With the VETO, they turned down the resolution to send security forces to protect the innocent Palestinian civilians. "Terrorists"... yeah, riiiight. With the VETO, they denied the UN resolution that Iraq has NO WMD's. They just don't care. They boast and lie to get their way. They go around and take, take, TAKE!!! :x

Quote: Guess What?? The whole world thought Saddam Hussein had WMD's! It was up to Saddam to prove he didn't and the idiot chose not to...that was his mistake! There was only one true way to find out if Saddam had WMD's and that was to go in there and look for them.

Please show proof the American Gov't is imperialistic? What other countrys have we colonized?

As for the US always taking as you wrongly accuse, please explain the $100 billion to Afghanistan and Iraq or $15 billion pledged to fight AIDS in Africa or the $200 billion of the Pentagon's budget, which does things like keeping the Persian Gulf open to world commerce; protecting Europe; ensuring that the Aegean is free of shooting and that the waters between China, Korea, Taiwan, and Japan are relatively tranquil; this doesn't even begin to scrath the surface of what the American people do Charity wise with the hundreds of millions of dollars raised for projects in the Middle East.

[No-Name]

no country is ever honest with another unless in extreme circumstances.

A powerhouse of a nation like America is undoubtedly dishonest because it considers it self supirior.

[Margo]

No-Name wrote: no country is ever honest with another unless in extreme circumstances.

A powerhouse of a nation like America is undoubtedly dishonest because it considers it self supirior.

Yawn......

[RICARDO I]

YourPlace

I agree 100 % with your statement. In politics you never know who's really honest. Religious-wise, either!


Ricardo I

[nicksinif]

since when are amerikkkans ever honest?

[Lancaster]

Moath wrote:
Quote:
Please show proof the American Gov't is imperialistic? What other countrys have we colonized?



Philipenes

You tried in Cuba

You did to Hawaii before you annexed it

You certainly exert a lot of influence on the internal politics of many countries (Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc) thorugh economic dominance and abuse of your position in a way similar to the metropol in a motherland/colony relationship.

I would say United States is 100% imperialistic. In the past it practiced true imperialism, and today it practices its modern equivilent. Read a book before you slough off accusations your country is what 80% of the world claims it is.

[Margo]

Lancaster wrote: Moath wrote:
Quote:
Please show proof the American Gov't is imperialistic? What other countrys have we colonized?



Philipenes

You tried in Cuba

You did to Hawaii before you annexed it

You certainly exert a lot of influence on the internal politics of many countries (Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc) thorugh economic dominance and abuse of your position in a way similar to the metropol in a motherland/colony relationship.

I would say United States is 100% imperialistic. In the past it practiced true imperialism, and today it practices its modern equivilent. Read a book before you slough off accusations your country is what 80% of the world claims it is.

1898 Spain ceded Guam, Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Phillipines to the U.S.

Hawaii was granted self governence and remained as a territory for 60 years despite several attempts to make it a state which it did become in 1959, and that was only after Hawaiians themselves voted on whether they wanted statehood or not. They voted for it!

As far as the Phillipines, it was granted independence in 1946.

Cuba gained independence in 1902.

Guam was given status as a territory and it's people given US citizenship. Since then Guam has lobbied heavily for Commonwelath status which would give it the same status that Puerto Rico has...as a territory with the right to govern itself as an independent country. They sure sound like they wish to remain a part of the US...!

Puerto Rico has been offered independence from the US but it refused!

Yeah....the US is a real imperialistic country giving these places the choice of independence or not!...give me a break! :roll:

[Margo]

nicksinif wrote: since when are amerikkkans ever honest?

Well now, that's a real nice generalization about a nation of people you don't know....so much for an open mind... :roll:

[Margo]

No-Name wrote: no country is ever honest with another unless in extreme circumstances.

A powerhouse of a nation like America is undoubtedly dishonest because it considers it self supirior.

no country is ever honest with another unless in extreme circumstances.
Just curious as to who you are referring to. Give an example please.

[Lancaster]

Margo wrote: Lancaster wrote: Moath wrote:
Quote:
Please show proof the American Gov't is imperialistic? What other countrys have we colonized?



Philipenes

You tried in Cuba

You did to Hawaii before you annexed it

You certainly exert a lot of influence on the internal politics of many countries (Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc) thorugh economic dominance and abuse of your position in a way similar to the metropol in a motherland/colony relationship.

I would say United States is 100% imperialistic. In the past it practiced true imperialism, and today it practices its modern equivilent. Read a book before you slough off accusations your country is what 80% of the world claims it is.

1898 Spain ceded Guam, Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Phillipines to the U.S.

Hawaii was granted self governence and remained as a territory for 60 years despite several attempts to make it a state which it did become in 1959, and that was only after Hawaiians themselves voted on whether they wanted statehood or not. They voted for it!

As far as the Phillipines, it was granted independence in 1946.

Cuba gained independence in 1902.

Guam was given status as a territory and it's people given US citizenship. Since then Guam has lobbied heavily for Commonwelath status which would give it the same status that Puerto Rico has...as a territory with the right to govern itself as an independent country. They sure sound like they wish to remain a part of the US...!

Puerto Rico has been offered independence from the US but it refused!

Yeah....the US is a real imperialistic country giving these places the choice of independence or not!...give me a break! :roll:

Ya, Hawaii voted, after you neutered it. In 1893 American businesses overthrew the monarchy and took over the country. American troops onboard the USS Boston were then landed to completely hinder any chance of the monarchy to settle the coup. After several years of rule by former american citizens, backed by the US army and government, the american population was allowed to vote on weither or not to join America. America effectively colonized, invaded, and annexed Hawaii, yet you ignore the facts and just settle on "oh, they joined us, we must be doing something right"

As for Cuba, I said you tried, up untill the civil war, The US had great governmental support, primarily from the south to invad and annex Cuba to strengthen it's pro-slavery agenda. Thanks to Lincoln, this never happened.

The Philipenes were a conflict you never should have been involved in, due to American oppression, the civilian population dropped from 9 million to 8 million in less than ten years, and you squashed Agguinaldo, raped the land, and exerted American sovereignty and law by rule of rifle. General Otis, the man in charge of America's annexation efforts famously gave the order to "Kill all over ten." Mark Twain himself even said that the treatment of the philipenes was Imerialism. It gained independance in 1946, after over half a century of being a colony to the United States.

I never said anything about Guam, or Puerto Rico as I am not very familiar with them, but I can guess you probably left out many key points with them to.

America is imperialistic in nature, both historically through it's military campaigns, and today through it's domineering foreign policy and economic stranglehold over the resources of the middle east and much of the developing world.

[Margo]

Lancaster wrote: Margo wrote: Lancaster wrote: Moath wrote:
Quote:
Please show proof the American Gov't is imperialistic? What other countrys have we colonized?



Philipenes

You tried in Cuba

You did to Hawaii before you annexed it

You certainly exert a lot of influence on the internal politics of many countries (Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc) thorugh economic dominance and abuse of your position in a way similar to the metropol in a motherland/colony relationship.

I would say United States is 100% imperialistic. In the past it practiced true imperialism, and today it practices its modern equivilent. Read a book before you slough off accusations your country is what 80% of the world claims it is.

1898 Spain ceded Guam, Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Phillipines to the U.S.

Hawaii was granted self governence and remained as a territory for 60 years despite several attempts to make it a state which it did become in 1959, and that was only after Hawaiians themselves voted on whether they wanted statehood or not. They voted for it!

As far as the Phillipines, it was granted independence in 1946.

Cuba gained independence in 1902.

Guam was given status as a territory and it's people given US citizenship. Since then Guam has lobbied heavily for Commonwelath status which would give it the same status that Puerto Rico has...as a territory with the right to govern itself as an independent country. They sure sound like they wish to remain a part of the US...!

Puerto Rico has been offered independence from the US but it refused!

Yeah....the US is a real imperialistic country giving these places the choice of independence or not!...give me a break! :roll:

Ya, Hawaii voted, after you neutered it. In 1893 American businesses overthrew the monarchy and took over the country. American troops onboard the USS Boston were then landed to completely hinder any chance of the monarchy to settle the coup. After several years of rule by former american citizens, backed by the US army and government, the american population was allowed to vote on weither or not to join America. America effectively colonized, invaded, and annexed Hawaii, yet you ignore the facts and just settle on "oh, they joined us, we must be doing something right"

As for Cuba, I said you tried, up untill the civil war, The US had great governmental support, primarily from the south to invad and annex Cuba to strengthen it's pro-slavery agenda. Thanks to Lincoln, this never happened.

The Philipenes were a conflict you never should have been involved in, due to American oppression, the civilian population dropped from 9 million to 8 million in less than ten years, and you squashed Agguinaldo, raped the land, and exerted American sovereignty and law by rule of rifle. General Otis, the man in charge of America's annexation efforts famously gave the order to "Kill all over ten." Mark Twain himself even said that the treatment of the philipenes was Imerialism. It gained independance in 1946, after over half a century of being a colony to the United States.

I never said anything about Guam, or Puerto Rico as I am not very familiar with them, but I can guess you probably left out many key points with them to.

America is imperialistic in nature, both historically through it's military campaigns, and today through it's domineering foreign policy and economic stranglehold over the resources of the middle east and much of the developing world.

There's no denying that America went through an expanionist period as did how many other nations? For you to single out America as an imperialist nation is absurd and biased. How can you ignore so many others? What about the various empires throughout history? The Ottomans? The British? The Spanish? the French?
The Russians? The Germans? History is full of empires, full of expansion, full of territorial conquests. To single out America betrays your agenda which is narrowly focused to say the least.
Was there conflict at the time America aquired these locations? No doubt. Did America improve their living conditions, economics? Did America give these locations the choice of staying or leaving? Yes to all.

Economic stranglehold over the middle east??? Yeah right...the Middle East - where they sit on top of an incredible wealth of oil...it's not the US holding them back it's their own form of government! Dictatorships tend to do that - they keep all the wealth for themselves and don't share it with their people. You tell me why the Mid East is a third world location with palaces and obscene displays of wealth only for a certain few???
And if the US has such a stranglehold on world economics, please explain China to me....
Domineering foreign policy? Just answer me this one question, it if weren't for the US, who would be keeping the shipping lanes in places like the Persian Gulf open? The UN?? In their little rubber boats perhaps?

[Lancaster]

Margo wrote: Lancaster wrote: Margo wrote: Lancaster wrote: Moath wrote:
Quote:
Please show proof the American Gov't is imperialistic? What other countrys have we colonized?



Philipenes

You tried in Cuba

You did to Hawaii before you annexed it

You certainly exert a lot of influence on the internal politics of many countries (Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc) thorugh economic dominance and abuse of your position in a way similar to the metropol in a motherland/colony relationship.

I would say United States is 100% imperialistic. In the past it practiced true imperialism, and today it practices its modern equivilent. Read a book before you slough off accusations your country is what 80% of the world claims it is.

1898 Spain ceded Guam, Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Phillipines to the U.S.

Hawaii was granted self governence and remained as a territory for 60 years despite several attempts to make it a state which it did become in 1959, and that was only after Hawaiians themselves voted on whether they wanted statehood or not. They voted for it!

As far as the Phillipines, it was granted independence in 1946.

Cuba gained independence in 1902.

Guam was given status as a territory and it's people given US citizenship. Since then Guam has lobbied heavily for Commonwelath status which would give it the same status that Puerto Rico has...as a territory with the right to govern itself as an independent country. They sure sound like they wish to remain a part of the US...!

Puerto Rico has been offered independence from the US but it refused!

Yeah....the US is a real imperialistic country giving these places the choice of independence or not!...give me a break! :roll:

Ya, Hawaii voted, after you neutered it. In 1893 American businesses overthrew the monarchy and took over the country. American troops onboard the USS Boston were then landed to completely hinder any chance of the monarchy to settle the coup. After several years of rule by former american citizens, backed by the US army and government, the american population was allowed to vote on weither or not to join America. America effectively colonized, invaded, and annexed Hawaii, yet you ignore the facts and just settle on "oh, they joined us, we must be doing something right"

As for Cuba, I said you tried, up untill the civil war, The US had great governmental support, primarily from the south to invad and annex Cuba to strengthen it's pro-slavery agenda. Thanks to Lincoln, this never happened.

The Philipenes were a conflict you never should have been involved in, due to American oppression, the civilian population dropped from 9 million to 8 million in less than ten years, and you squashed Agguinaldo, raped the land, and exerted American sovereignty and law by rule of rifle. General Otis, the man in charge of America's annexation efforts famously gave the order to "Kill all over ten." Mark Twain himself even said that the treatment of the philipenes was Imerialism. It gained independance in 1946, after over half a century of being a colony to the United States.

I never said anything about Guam, or Puerto Rico as I am not very familiar with them, but I can guess you probably left out many key points with them to.

America is imperialistic in nature, both historically through it's military campaigns, and today through it's domineering foreign policy and economic stranglehold over the resources of the middle east and much of the developing world.

There's no denying that America went through an expanionist period as did how many other nations? For you to single out America as an imperialist nation is absurd and biased. How can you ignore so many others? What about the various empires throughout history? The Ottomans? The British? The Spanish? the French?
The Russians? The Germans? History is full of empires, full of expansion, full of territorial conquests. To single out America betrays your agenda which is narrowly focused to say the least.
Was there conflict at the time America aquired these locations? No doubt. Did America improve their living conditions, economics? Did America give these locations the choice of staying or leaving? Yes to all.

Economic stranglehold over the middle east??? Yeah right...the Middle East - where they sit on top of an incredible wealth of oil...it's not the US holding them back it's their own form of government! Dictatorships tend to do that - they keep all the wealth for themselves and don't share it with their people. You tell me why the Mid East is a third world location with palaces and obscene displays of wealth only for a certain few???
And if the US has such a stranglehold on world economics, please explain China to me....
Domineering foreign policy? Just answer me this one question, it if weren't for the US, who would be keeping the shipping lanes in places like the Persian Gulf open? The UN?? In their little rubber boats perhaps?


Did I say America was the only empire in history? give me a break. not only do you now admit it was an empire, you justify it the way a 6 year old does "Everybody else is doing it"

America improving living conditions? that's a joke. Who installed the Taliban? or Hussein for that matter. in fact, tell me one place america has improved living conditions. Certainly not the philipenes, their economy took off AFTER the United states withdrew.

Oh, so you blame their governments. Let me ask you this, who installed and maintained those governments? it certainly wasn't australia :roll: The United States Keeps the Saudis in power because they give them cheap oil. The Taliban was supplied and maintained by the US, Iran had the oppressive Shah, untill the Iranians ffinally overthrew America's poster-boy dictator. Unfortunately the Ayatolla wasn't exactly the best replacement, but what can you do but pick a military leader when military revolution is the only means of freeing your country from America's grip? Hell, you even GAVE saddam chemical weapons to fight Iran, too bad you didn't forsee Chemical Ali using them on his own people. Jordan's brutal monarchy is maintained by the states. if you widen the scope passed that of the middle east, you will see similar goings on in South America, and Africa. Who killed Patrice Lamumba? It's not a very hard guess.

As for China, they are one of the few Nations able to stand up to The US's domination, although they remain impoverished due to your country's business empires.

If it weren't for the US who would keep the lanes clean? If it weren't for the US the region would have SOME stability, maybe the governments there? I mean Turkey is one of the few nations the US didn't 'build' and they turned out to be a fine democratic nation, maybe if the US didn't keep King Saud's Fat Royal ass in power, the united states wouldn't need to patrol their shores. And the US isn't the only one in the gulf. The HMCS Halifax holds the record for the most boardings in the gulf during the first gulf war.

Basically you are so absorbed by your American Nationalism, you gloss over your country's misdeeds as acceptable. America is Imperialistic, you stated that yourself in the begining of your post. The only difference between it and past empires is that is it the ONLY empire. China will change that, and I hope for all our sakes that the United states IS still around by then, because as horribly arrogant, oppressive, expansionistic, and corrupt the USA is, China is 100 times worse.

[AaaBaa]

Margo wrote:
We know our enemies inside and out. We study them, examine them, dissect them to see what makes them tick. [/color]

I think,you forgot to say; "we create them"

[Margo]

Well, I can see it's a waste of time and expectations thinking we can have any type of rational discussion here. As usual with posters such as yourself, your hatred and emotionalism clouds any logic.

Americans are fed up with the anti Americanism. We're tired of pouring billions of our money, our tax dollars into cesspools like Egypt and Palestine where hatred for us runs rampant, yet because we are a wealthy nation people like you expect us to foot the humanitarian bill. Well guess what...you do it! We've spent $50 billion in Egypt alone!
Another thing we're sick of being is the world's policeman. You complain when things are calm and scream for protection when dangers is close at hand. You want to keep China at bay? YOU DO IT, how dare you say the most hateful things about America and yet have the audacity! the arrogance!! to insist we protect your sorry collective ass?? That's exactly what we detest the most! Why don't YOU build up your military, spend your money! to fend off that scenario....

America is the largest donar to the UN and our military is the largest guarantor of free commerce by land and sea. You seem happy to ignore the importance of that little fact. too bad - once again your limited knowledge of America's role in the world betrays your agenda for hatred.
More immigrants come to our shores than any other place,(why is that do you think???) especially from Latin America, where our critics seem to be the worst. No wonder we desperately want to put up a fence on both our borders!

Maybe America should sit back and let the Europeans and Arabs deal with Iran and any subsequent nuclear blast. Maybe America should stop giving away billions in aid money, we sure could use it here at home. You guys in Canada and Britain can feed the world for a change. Should the US be expected to go into places like Darfur?? No ! Not unless every other country in this world sends in equal matching numbers of troops, how's that? Sounds fair to me. Maybe America should pull her bases out of places like Greece and Germany, for example. We're not wanted there so let's get out now...the hell with what effects it will have on their economies, no longer our problem. Americans feel that these countries should take responsibility for their own security. These are just a few of the things off the top of my head but you can see where I'm going.

If you want to criticize America for things done 30-40 years ago, knock yourself out. All I can tell you is that America, while fighting the Cold War made decisions at that time in history that was in the best interest of America and democracy versus the Soviets and communism.

I never said America is perfect, of course she isn't. What nation is? America is an empire?? Really? News to us! The only land that America has asked for is the land to bury her dead on, the dead that died serving causes for freedom in other parts of the world. Maybe we shouldn't have fought along with Europe in WWI and WWII. Think about that AaaBaa.
I find your hate and narrow mindedness too disgusting and insulting to acknowledge anymore.
Adios.

[Lancaster]

Margo wrote: Well, I can see it's a waste of time and expectations thinking we can have any type of rational discussion here. As usual with posters such as yourself, your hatred and emotionalism clouds any logic.

The hallmark of someone who hasn't a leg to stand on. Apparently not signing up for the Bush Youth makes us all ignorant emotionalists? Hold up a mirror to your face before you call someone ignorant, that is if you can stop waving your flag long enough

Quote: Americans are fed up with the anti Americanism. We're tired of pouring billions of our money, our tax dollars into cesspools like Egypt and Palestine where hatred for us runs rampant, yet because we are a wealthy nation people like you expect us to foot the humanitarian bill. Well guess what...you do it!

If you were just pouring money in it'd be fine. Too bad your taking too much in return. Kenya has vast deposits of mineral wealth, but over 70% of what is mined pays the interest on your 'aid'

Quote: We've spent $50 billion in Egypt alone!
Another thing we're sick of being is the world's policeman. You complain when things are calm and scream for protection when dangers is close at hand. You want to keep China at bay? YOU DO IT, how dare you say the most hateful things about America and yet have the audacity! the arrogance!! to insist we protect your sorry collective ass?? That's exactly what we detest the most! Why don't YOU build up your military, spend your money! to fend off that scenario.... What hateful things? oh right, you mean the facts.

It's great that you 'protect the world' but you don't have to beat the world either. It is like choosing between a rapid dog, and the neighbourhood bully. You bargain with the bully because the dog's just going to bite you in the throat. And don't pretend like you are from an altruistic country, America has a LOT to gain from keeping China in it's place.

Quote: America is the largest donar to the UN and our military is the largest guarantor of free commerce by land and sea. You seem happy to ignore the importance of that little fact. too bad - once again your limited knowledge of America's role in the world betrays your agenda for hatred.

My agenda for hatred? Again, all I've done is show how America is UNDENIABLY an empire. Be that as it may, it is the most benevolent empire to have existed. However, being the nicest bully doesn't mean you aren't a bully. America does a lot of good for the world, but in the end, it is self serving, just like most countries. The problem is when it pretends it doesn't have a selfish bone in it's body, the sheer hypocricy is maddening.
We are 'Nation Building' your country, which means we are going to firebomb it first, then install a dictator to steal your wealth and absorb the blame. Too bad your businesses were destroyed in the regime change, aren't we nice, we'll install american businesses for you, unfortunately they require cheap labour, no unions.

Quote: More immigrants come to our shores than any other place,(why is that do you think???)

Because you are the richest most powerful nation to ever exist? because you get a lot of immigrants doesn't mean you aren't an empire. Honestly, I'm ignorant?

Quote: especially from Latin America, where our critics seem to be the worst. No wonder we desperately want to put up a fence on both our borders!

Ya, Hugo Chavez is the reason you don't like the mexicans, got it. :roll:

Quote: Maybe America should sit back and let the Europeans and Arabs deal with Iran

Too late for that now, you created Iran. Your backing of the Shah is what lead to Khomeni's takeover, and the nation's anti-american sentiments. You pissed in the pot, now you gotta clean it.

Quote: and any subsequent nuclear blast. Maybe America should stop giving away billions in aid money, we sure could use it here at home. You guys in Canada and Britain can feed the world for a change. Should the US be expected to go into places like Darfur??

Yes. The US is feeding the world alone. Proportionally you give less than most countries. Just because your bloated doesn't mean you are some divine savour. In fact, as I recall, your president set AIDS control back ten years in Africa by cutting the condoms sent there by 2/3. Because it wasn't the best moral choice. Ya, and letting millions of infants be born with the most virulent retrovirus in existance, and sentencing millions more to agonising deaths sure is the way to go. Basically, if your nation proportionally gave as much aid, then there would be a far less severe crisis in Africa, and Cambodia, and many more developing nations.


Quote: No ! Not unless every other country in this world sends in equal matching numbers of troops, how's that? Sounds fair to me. Maybe America should pull her bases out of places like Greece and Germany, for example. We're not wanted there so let's get out now...the hell with what effects it will have on their economies, no longer our problem.

Ya, maybe you should leave the countries that you aren't wanted in, Cuba for instance? And don't worry, I'm sure the world could survive without your intervention.

Quote: Americans feel that these countries should take responsibility for their own security. These are just a few of the things off the top of my head but you can see where I'm going.

Ya, I can. Again, America is not altruistic in any way, it does what benefits itself. Putting bases in turkey wasn't so that the Turks would have economic security, it was to deter the russians. Giving guns to the Taliban wasn't because America was so concerned about the 'protection of Islam from the red wave' It was to defeat the russians. America does both great, wonderful things, and horrible inhumane things not for fun, or global stability, but as either a token or self advancement and preservation, so stop yammering about how we owe you big. America
is looking out for number one already.


Quote: If you want to criticize America for things done 30-40 years ago, knock yourself out. All I can tell you is that America, while fighting the Cold War made decisions at that time in history that was in the best interest of America and democracy versus the Soviets and communism.

Exactly, they did what was in the best interest of AMERICA, not the 'free world.' Personally I don't hate america, I am tired of hearing the contrary. I don't owe my life to the selflessness of America, I owe it to it's selfishness.

Quote: I never said America is perfect, of course she isn't. What nation is? America is an empire?? Really? News to us! The only land that America has asked for is the land to bury her dead on, the dead that died serving causes for freedom in other parts of the world. Maybe we shouldn't have fought along with Europe in WWI and WWII.

Tell that to the Cubans, I'm sure they want Ghitmo back.

As I've stated before, yet you seem to refuse to even acknowledge is that the American Empire is not a traditional one. It was a traditional empire at the time of the philipenes, but since then it has changed to one not interested in conquering territory, but instead, controlling it, through artificial and utter economic dependance, to spreading it's influence through the CIA and other organisations, to give an example, DRC, your nation murdered Patrice Lamumba, plunging central africa into decades long chaos and strife.

Quote: Think about that AaaBaa.
I find your hate and narrow mindedness too disgusting and insulting to acknowledge anymore.

Again, I don't hate america, I hate americanism, and I was just showing it is an empire. Apparently because I don't wave a red white and blue flag I am close minded. right. :roll:

Quote: Adios.

Good ridence