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wolf · Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 27 Location: Country

[/quote]I think you have your definitions mixed up, big guy. If this were an example of imperiailsm, it would then be suggestive of the US actively nation building in Hungary during 1956, there is quite a differance I would say between backing a government and actual establishment of an empire or soverign rule. I only nitpick when people don't know what they are talking about...So, nice try anyway.[quote]

Then you obviously need lessons in English, and the ability to understand spelling mistakes.
The attempted word was "empirical", which has nothing to do with "imperialism.
Do you have an imperilistic fixation/compulsion?
Or just a guilty conscience?

Ch33kY · Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 1281

'it is the duty of man to strive to make the world a better place' - Is it? Sure I'd like it to be a better place, but no matter how many biblical quotes, or 'facts' (aka. link to a website with an opposing view to mine) you provide me with nothing will ever convince me that it is mans duty to make the world a better place.

Back to the topic, the US government hasn't been honest. There foreign policy is one of the most debated issues in the world because so many people claim it not to be the 'peace loving and friendly' military doctrine some would think it is.

Margo · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:31 pm Post subject:

wolf wrote: I think you have your definitions mixed up, big guy. If this were an example of imperiailsm, it would then be suggestive of the US actively nation building in Hungary during 1956, there is quite a differance I would say between backing a government and actual establishment of an empire or soverign rule. I only nitpick when people don't know what they are talking about...So, nice try anyway. Quote:

Then you obviously need lessons in English, and the ability to understand spelling mistakes.
The attempted word was "empirical", which has nothing to do with "imperialism.
Do you have an imperilistic fixation/compulsion?
Or just a guilty conscience?

Ok, you asked for it...and like I said before I only nitpick when people don't know what they are talking about...

im•pe•ri•al

Pronunciation: (im-pēr'ē-ul), [key]
—adj.
1. of, like, or pertaining to an empire.
2. of, like, or pertaining to an emperor or empress.
3. characterizing the rule or authority of a sovereign state over its dependencies.
4. of the nature or rank of an emperor or supreme ruler.
5. of a commanding quality, manner, aspect, etc.
6. domineering; imperious.
7. befitting an emperor or empress; regal; majestic; very fine or grand; magnificent.
8. of special or superior size or quality, as various products and commodities.
9. (of weights and measures) conforming to the standards legally established in Great Britain.
em•pire

Pronunciation: (em'pīur; for 8–10 also om-pēr'), [key]
—n.
1. a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, French Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire, or Roman Empire.
2. a government under an emperor or empress.
3. (often cap.) the historical period during which a nation is under such a government: a history of the second French empire.
4. supreme power in governing; imperial power; sovereignty: Austria's failure of empire in central Europe.
5. supreme control; absolute sway: passion's empire over the mind.
6. a powerful and important enterprise or holding of large scope that is controlled by a single person, family, or group of associates: The family's shipping empire was founded 50 years ago.
7. (cap.) a variety of apple somewhat resembling the McIntosh.

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Margo · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:37 pm Post subject:

[quote="Ch33kY"]'it is the duty of man to strive to make the world a better place' - Is it? Sure I'd like it to be a better place, but no matter how many biblical quotes, or 'facts' (aka. link to a website with an opposing view to mine) you provide me with nothing will ever convince me that it is mans duty to make the world a better place.

Back to the topic, the US government hasn't been honest. There foreign policy is one of the most debated issues in the world because so many people claim it not to be the 'peace loving and friendly' military doctrine some would think it is.
Quote: nothing will ever convince me that it is mans duty to make the world a better place.
Then...whose duty is it?

People have a right to disagree with the US's foreign policy. At least we're trying to do something to stop terrorism, sure beats sitting around wringing our collective hands and whining about it. We'll have to wait until history decides if we were right or wrong.

marxistrevolutionary · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 26 Location: oregon

look i know what i am talking about an emperical example would not have to do with an empire, an empiracal example would have to do with an example pertaining to history that is real, i'm on debate team trust me on this one. im sorry for the typo

Margo · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject:

marxistrevolutionary wrote: look i know what i am talking about an emperical example would not have to do with an empire, an empiracal example would have to do with an example pertaining to history that is real, i'm on debate team trust me on this one. im sorry for the typo

My friend..did you read the 3rd definition under empiral that I listed for everyone?If you're on a debate team then it's all the more important that you read every possible definition for the words you use.
Quote: 3. (often cap.) the historical period during which a nation is under such a government: a history of the second French empire.

marxistrevolutionary · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 26 Location: oregon

it ahs nothing to do with ruling over others an example of an empirical example would be "during the red scare people acted jsut as frightened as we do now" that is a possible example

marxistrevolutionary · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 26 Location: oregon

oh and by the way
em·pir·i·cal Audio pronunciation of "empirical" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pîr-kl)
adj.

1.
1. Relying on or derived from observation or experiment: empirical results that supported the hypothesis.
2. Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws.
2. Guided by practical experience and not theory, especially in medicine.

oh and ch33ky if this is from the bible i had no idea about it, just letting you know and i can't think of a website that has ever told me that. on the other hand here's a qoute you might like to hear "religion is the opiate of the masses"

Margo · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject:

marxistrevolutionary wrote: it ahs nothing to do with ruling over others an example of an empirical example would be "during the red scare people acted jsut as frightened as we do now" that is a possible example

I don't know what else to tell you except please don't try to debate people when you obviously don't know what your talking about. It's a waste of both of our time. Good luck to you.

marxistrevolutionary · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 26 Location: oregon

really so you are telling me that that definition of dictionary.com is false and that i and dictionary.com have no idea what we are talkikng about. please tell me how i am incorrect, i would love to know so that i can avoid these mistakes in the future.

Margo · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:31 am Post subject:

marxistrevolutionary wrote: really so you are telling me that that definition of dictionary.com is false and that i and dictionary.com have no idea what we are talkikng about. please tell me how i am incorrect, i would love to know so that i can avoid these mistakes in the future.

Calm down, Calm down... Life is too short to get crazy over this stuff. My source for the definitions I listed were from here:
www.infoplease.com/search?fr=spel&query=empirical
and their source is The Random House Unabridged Dictionary.

Margo · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:58 am Post subject:

marxistrevolutionary wrote: really so you are telling me that that definition of dictionary.com is false and that i and dictionary.com have no idea what we are talkikng about. please tell me how i am incorrect, i would love to know so that i can avoid these mistakes in the future.

Did you know there are 120 definitions or ways of using this particular word? Perhaps both of us failed to understand how we were using the word? I offer this up as a compromise to our problem so we can move on. What say you?

marxistrevolutionary · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 26 Location: oregon

you're right we got all over this little thing that we lost the real thread of the topic.

Margo · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:54 am Post subject:

marxistrevolutionary wrote: you're right we got all over this little thing that we lost the real thread of the topic.

:flwr:

marxistrevolutionary · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 26 Location: oregon

im glad we both stopped acting like nitpicky children

Lancaster · Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Ottawa

Okay, As for America being honest, it doesn't matter really. The United States is the richest most powerful nation in the world, they have in the past and will, in the future, act in a way that is beneficial to themselves. This behaviour is going to be dishonest, maybe not all the time, but when it it suites them they will be.

Also, there is a difference between being dishonest to the world and being dishonest to your populace. When a nation lies to the world, it is for a reason, they are gaining something in return. The nations that support them will also stand to gain something, and the opposite can be said for those who oppose them. I am of course alluding to America's little problem in Iraq. Now, America used the veil of WMDs to enter Iraq, which in my opinion has been exposed as a lie, to access their oil. Disagree with me if you want, but I doubt you know of Haliburton's contracts in Iraq if you do. America lied to the world to acquire something it wanted, and has gotten away with it. Iraq (ie: not the world's richest most powerful nation) tried a similar ruse with Kuwait and met a different fate. America routinely lies to it's people, which is acceptable to a certain degree (ie: national security). America, however does not stay within these confines. I, as a Canadian witnessed first hand America lying to it's people not to protect, but to gain what it wanted. Canada had one case of mad cow, and America closed it's borders to our beef. Understandable. However, it then kept the border closed for months claiming that our beef wasn't safe, and we have much lower standards. This is simply false. American 'Grade A' is actually more comparable to a Canadian 'C.' Also, several cases of mad cow occur each year in the states, but under your rules, you can merely kill the animal, feed it to the other cows, and label it a 'downed animal.' In Canada no such loophole exists. Also, as for our medication Mr. Bush said, and I quote "When you take medication I want it to cure you, not kill you" in refference to our canadian medicine. This was again a lie, as on average, canadian pharmaceudicals undergo two more years of testing than american counterparts. This was a move to protect Amrican drug companies from engaging in free trade.

In conclusion: America lies, and It's okay in matters of national security, however, too often it lies to serve it's own needs. This is why America has such a horrendous international reputation

marxistrevolutionary · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 26 Location: oregon

I cannot agree more, and I would like to be the first to point out that by the look of the poll many other people would agree with you.

wolf · Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 27 Location: Country

Quote: Ok, you asked for it...and like I said before I only nitpick when people don't know what they are talking about

And you still got "empirical"wrong.

Margo · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject:

wolf wrote: Quote: Ok, you asked for it...and like I said before I only nitpick when people don't know what they are talking about

And you still got "empirical"wrong.

If it's that important to you to be right, go right ahead and knock yourself out Wolfie...the argument was succesfully resolved between marxistrevolutionary and myself.

marxistrevolutionary · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 26 Location: oregon

seriously is it really that important? if you look back at the postings you can see that we figured it out all on our lonesome and we don't need to go through this again. on the other hand if you really need to be right than go right ahead but I'm not gonna bother to argue with you about it