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[uzi]

In Canada:

Quote: Like other Hamas-supporting funds, IRFAN states that its goals are humanitarian and that it was established to “cope with the greater demands of the needy in the world.” It obscures the fact that it deals mainly with Palestinian causes, and makes no mention at all of its ties to Hamas. It presents itself (on its Internet site) as working for the needy in many Muslim countries: “the Palestinian Authority,” Lebanon, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Turkey, Iraq, Albania and Algeria.

However, the description is far from accurate, since most of its activities are conducted in the PA-administered territories, as can easily be seen from the list of projects on its Internet site. The institutions the Fund supports (and through which it launches its projects) are almost exclusively part of Hamas' civilian infrastructure in the PA-administered territories and of its terrorist-supporting apparatus. It is worthwhile noting that even the Palestinian Authority has identified IRFAN with Hamas .

Despite the fact that the Canadian authorities identified The Jerusalem Fund with Hamas and even curtailed its activities to a certain degree, the Fund continued its operations for ten years until it changed its name. After the events of September 11, the Canadian government initiated a number of measures aimed at impeding terrorist financing in general and that of Hamas in particular. Thus, two weeks after the United States included the Holy Land Foundation and two other Hamas financial institutions in Executive Order 13224, the Canadian government also adopted a policy of freezing assets. Nevertheless, the change of names from The Jerusalem Fund to IRFAN apparently made it difficult for the Canadian authorities to act against the Fund and it continues to transfer funds (in Israeli estimation, hundreds of thousands of dollars annually), to Hamas institutions in the PA-administered territories.


http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/11_04/irfan.htm

In France:

Quote: Le Comité de Bienfaisance et de Secours aux Palestiniens (CBSP) was founded at the beginning of the 1990s. It is registered in France as a non-profit organization collecting contributions in accordance with set rules. At its founding, its stated objective was to provide aid for the victims of the first intifada and to conduct humanitarian actions in the Palestinian Authority (PA)-administered territories. It has continued its operations during the current ongoing violent Palestinian-Israeli confrontation (2000-2005).

In effect, the CBSP supports the institutions of Hamas’ civilian infrastructure (da’wah) in the PA-administered territories, including the organization’s terrorism-supporting infrastructure. The Muslim population in France regards the CBSP as representing Hamas there .


Quote: The CBSP is (with Interpal) one of the very few Hamas-affiliated funds in the West which continues its operations freely with no interference from the local authorities, while in other western countries such funds and foundations have either been closed or had their activities curtailed. For example, the Holy Land Foundation in the United States was closed in December 2001 after it was designated as a terrorism-supporting institution by American Executive Order 13224. In December 2004 the German branch of the Hamas-affiliated Al-Aqsa Fund was closed by court order. The Dutch Al-Aqsa Fund branch was closed by local authorities in April 2003; in June of the same year it was included in the European Union’s list of terrorist organizations and prohibited from sending money to the PA-administered territories. A file was opened on the Danish branch in January 2003 and its assets were frozen.


Even after the CBSP was designated by American Executive Order 13224 in August 2003, France announced it was not planning to take action against the organization because it was not involved in financing terrorism. In actual fact, the CBSP supports many Hamas-affiliated institutions in the PA-administered territories, including institutions which were outlawed by Israel. Its heads are in contact with high-ranking Hamas members and heads of Hamas’ civilian infrastructure, as is illustrated by the documents below.


http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/4_05/cbsp_e.htm

Should they do more to stop terrorist financing? Any Canadians or French people here have opinions on this?

[Alexander The Great]

uzi4ufriend wrote: In Canada:

Quote: Like other Hamas-supporting funds, IRFAN states that its goals are humanitarian and that it was established to “cope with the greater demands of the needy in the world.” It obscures the fact that it deals mainly with Palestinian causes, and makes no mention at all of its ties to Hamas. It presents itself (on its Internet site) as working for the needy in many Muslim countries: “the Palestinian Authority,” Lebanon, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Turkey, Iraq, Albania and Algeria.

However, the description is far from accurate, since most of its activities are conducted in the PA-administered territories, as can easily be seen from the list of projects on its Internet site. The institutions the Fund supports (and through which it launches its projects) are almost exclusively part of Hamas' civilian infrastructure in the PA-administered territories and of its terrorist-supporting apparatus. It is worthwhile noting that even the Palestinian Authority has identified IRFAN with Hamas .

Despite the fact that the Canadian authorities identified The Jerusalem Fund with Hamas and even curtailed its activities to a certain degree, the Fund continued its operations for ten years until it changed its name. After the events of September 11, the Canadian government initiated a number of measures aimed at impeding terrorist financing in general and that of Hamas in particular. Thus, two weeks after the United States included the Holy Land Foundation and two other Hamas financial institutions in Executive Order 13224, the Canadian government also adopted a policy of freezing assets. Nevertheless, the change of names from The Jerusalem Fund to IRFAN apparently made it difficult for the Canadian authorities to act against the Fund and it continues to transfer funds (in Israeli estimation, hundreds of thousands of dollars annually), to Hamas institutions in the PA-administered territories.


http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/11_04/irfan.htm

In France:

Quote: Le Comité de Bienfaisance et de Secours aux Palestiniens (CBSP) was founded at the beginning of the 1990s. It is registered in France as a non-profit organization collecting contributions in accordance with set rules. At its founding, its stated objective was to provide aid for the victims of the first intifada and to conduct humanitarian actions in the Palestinian Authority (PA)-administered territories. It has continued its operations during the current ongoing violent Palestinian-Israeli confrontation (2000-2005).

In effect, the CBSP supports the institutions of Hamas’ civilian infrastructure (da’wah) in the PA-administered territories, including the organization’s terrorism-supporting infrastructure. The Muslim population in France regards the CBSP as representing Hamas there .


Quote: The CBSP is (with Interpal) one of the very few Hamas-affiliated funds in the West which continues its operations freely with no interference from the local authorities, while in other western countries such funds and foundations have either been closed or had their activities curtailed. For example, the Holy Land Foundation in the United States was closed in December 2001 after it was designated as a terrorism-supporting institution by American Executive Order 13224. In December 2004 the German branch of the Hamas-affiliated Al-Aqsa Fund was closed by court order. The Dutch Al-Aqsa Fund branch was closed by local authorities in April 2003; in June of the same year it was included in the European Union’s list of terrorist organizations and prohibited from sending money to the PA-administered territories. A file was opened on the Danish branch in January 2003 and its assets were frozen.


Even after the CBSP was designated by American Executive Order 13224 in August 2003, France announced it was not planning to take action against the organization because it was not involved in financing terrorism. In actual fact, the CBSP supports many Hamas-affiliated institutions in the PA-administered territories, including institutions which were outlawed by Israel. Its heads are in contact with high-ranking Hamas members and heads of Hamas’ civilian infrastructure, as is illustrated by the documents below.


http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/4_05/cbsp_e.htm

Should they do more to stop terrorist financing? Any Canadians or French people here have opinions on this?

Yes, their opinion is that's this is an " Independence War ".
I hope they'll get a terrorist attack in their country, but we won't help them.

[Chris29]

Alexander The Great wrote: Yes, their opinion is that's this is an " Independence War ".
I hope they'll get a terrorist attack in their country, but we won't help them.

You just destroyed any credibility you have on this forum, you would think that an individual who would have to suffer from such terrorist activities would realize the complete in humanity of the actions and not wish such attacks on anyone. :roll:

[mikep33]

Alexander The Great wrote: Yes, their opinion is that's this is an " Independence War ".
I hope they'll get a terrorist attack in their country, but we won't help them.

and I hope you get suspended for making such a comment, no one who really values life would ever wish terrorist attacks against any individual. stop being so ignorant :twisted:

It is comments like that that make it so hard for me to have faith in humanity at all. That could probably go down as the most disgusting comment yet on this forum.

[uzi]

I agree. Alexander shouldn't have said that. It's an appalling thought.

On the other hand saying or wishing something like that is probably not as bad as officials sitting in certain countries who actually allow funds to reach terror groups that really carry out murderous attacks.

One might argue that French officials not lifting a finger to stop certain 'charities' designated by the United States and other countries as terror supporters is far worse than someone on a website making a stupid comment that he really shouldn't have made.

Could it be that some of these officials and politicians would be quicker to act if those attacks were directed against their own country instead of against Israel?

[Alexander The Great]

Chris29 wrote: Alexander The Great wrote: Yes, their opinion is that's this is an " Independence War ".
I hope they'll get a terrorist attack in their country, but we won't help them.

You just destroyed any credibility you have on this forum, you would think that an individual who would have to suffer from such terrorist activities would realize the complete in humanity of the actions and not wish such attacks on anyone. :roll:

They deserve it, and many in Israel think this way.
You don't want to help us with terror, and provoke us, and we won't help them.
They don't deserve it.
And I wonder when the Eiffel Tower will become a Mosque...

[Alexander The Great]

uzi4ufriend wrote: I agree. Alexander shouldn't have said that. It's an appalling thought.

On the other hand saying or wishing something like that is probably not as bad as officials sitting in certain countries who actually allow funds to reach terror groups that really carry out murderous attacks.

One might argue that French officials not lifting a finger to stop certain 'charities' designated by the United States and other countries as terror supporters is far worse than someone on a website making a stupid comment that he really shouldn't have made.

Could it be that some of these officials and politicians would be quicker to act if those attacks were directed against their own country instead of against Israel?

They'll learn by this if they don't learn until then.
Wasn't Spain a good enough lesson!

To what they do to countries who don't backup them?
By the way, they think that they should return Spain under Islam...
To return Al Andalus.....
They've conquered this land from the Christian Visigoth....

You realize you say what I say in more polite way?

[uzi]

I agree that they have a lot to learn when it comes to dealing with Islamic fundamentalists, but I just don't wish them ill. Plus it doesn't help the discussion when people start exchanging insults or wishing each other death or injury.

I think the problem of funding terror is too serious to allow this discussion to turn into a flame throwing contest.

[Alexander The Great]

uzi4ufriend wrote: I agree that they have a lot to learn when it comes to dealing with Islamic fundamentalists, but I just don't wish them ill. Plus it doesn't help the discussion when people start exchanging insults or wishing each other death or injury.

I think the problem of funding terror is too serious to allow this discussion to turn into a flame throwing contest.

Sorry if you were insulted.
Islamic fundamentalism is very dangerous, to everyone, also to Muslims themselves.
But how can we stop it?
It's problem to invade all this countries as one.
"But either there's a way, or you shall create one" - Hannibal.
Thank you for the link about the Ha'aretz again, Uzi.

[uzi]

Alexander The Great wrote: uzi4ufriend wrote: I agree that they have a lot to learn when it comes to dealing with Islamic fundamentalists, but I just don't wish them ill. Plus it doesn't help the discussion when people start exchanging insults or wishing each other death or injury.

I think the problem of funding terror is too serious to allow this discussion to turn into a flame throwing contest.

Sorry if you were insulted.
Islamic fundamentalism is very dangerous, to everyone, also to Muslims themselves.
But how can we stop it?
It's problem to invade all this countries as one.
"But either there's a way, or you shall create one" - Hannibal.
Thank you for the link about the Ha'aretz again, Uzi.

My pleasure.

[uzi]

In Britain:

Quote: Turning a Blind Eye To Hamas in London

By Matthew Levitt, a former FBI counterterrorism intelligence analyst, is senior fellow in terrorism studies at The Washington Institute for Near East Policy in Washington D.C.


On September 6, the European Union finally abandoned the sophomoric position that the social and political wings of Hamas are
somehow distinct from the group's military wing, banning not only the Izz al Dinn al Qassam Brigades but Hamas overall. This
should have made it harder for Hamas to raise financing in Europe.

But less than three weeks later, in the first test of the new EU policy, Britain's Charity Commission for England and Wales
unfroze the accounts of the U.K.-based Palestinian Relief and Development Fund, or Interpal, one of the largest Hamas front
organizations operating in Europe. Why?

On August 21, the U.S. Treasury Department had fingered five charities, including Interpal, as Hamas front organizations and
branded them "Specially Designated Global Terrorist" entities. While the Charity Commission cleared it of terror financing
charges in 1996, Interpal has since been implicated in a several international terrorism cases.
Following the U.S. designation, the Commission quickly froze Interpal's accounts pending a complete investigation, forcing the
charity to receive the commission's special approval before sending donations abroad.

The Charity Commission's decision to unfreeze Interpal's accounts was therefore an unwelcome surprise. The Commission
claims U.S. authorities failed to provide evidence to substantiate their charges, a point that is disputed by the relevant U.S.
official. But even if it is true that that they didn't, the Commission does not take into account the plethora of open source
evidence linking Interpal to Hamas.

Consider the following examples of openly available evidence the Charity Commission failed to consider:


Already in 1996, the year the Charity Commission first cleared Interpal, authorities determined that the International Islamic
Relief Organization (IIRO) and the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), both Saudi charities associated with al Qaeda,
were funding Hamas through Interpal. In documents confiscated at the time, recipient Hamas organizations were asked to send
thank-you letters directly to IIRO and
WAMY rather than to Interpal. Last year, Israeli raids of Hamas run charities in the West Bank netted material lauding Hamas
suicide attacks and records showing that the IIRO donated at least $280,000 to the Tulkarm committee and other Palestinian
organizations linked to Hamas.

A recently disclosed 1996 CIA document on world-wide charitable organizations financing terror refers to Hamas operatives and
front organizations throughout Europe, including the U.K., Denmark, Austria, and Croatia. The document reveals that even then
authorities were aware that Hamas fronts like Human Appeal International and Human Relief International were operating offices
in London.

Authorities now know the trend continued after the Charity Commission last cleared Interpal of charges linking it to Hamas in
1996. The index of documents seized in last year's raids of West Bank charity committees revealed that Interpal and similar
organizations contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hamas charities, often specifying that the funds were to benefit
"the families of martyrs," in other words, blatant payments for suicide bombings. Interpal features prominently in these
documents, which include accounting spreadsheets, written correspondence, and more.

Shortly after September 11, the FBI tied Interpal to the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLFRD), the largest
Hamas front in America until in was shut in December 2001. According to an FBI memorandum on the HLFRD, Hamas
members tied to terrorist activity often run the charity committees funded Interpal, HLFRD and others.

For example, Fadel Muhammad Salah Hamdan of the Ramallah charity committee, Ahmed Salim Ahmed Saltana of the Jenin
charity committee, and Khalil Ali Rashad Dar Rashad of the Orphan Care Association in Bethlehem were all involved in Qassam
Brigades operations. Interpal openly reports its funding of these and other suspect charity committees.

The FBI memo also stated that "FBI analysis linked Sanabil, Interpal and the HLFRD." Sanabil, a Hamas front in Lebanon
through which Interpal transferred funds, was among the Hamas fronts designated in August. The report added, "a review of the
HLFRD's financial records shows that on April 11, 2000, the HLFRD wired Interpal $66,000.00."

U.S and German investigators also tied Interpal to Sheikh Mohammad Ali Hassan al Moayad. In addition to heading the Yemen
office of the al Aqsa International Foundation, a Hamas front organization operating on several continents, Moayad was arrested
in Germany for providing money, arms, communication gear, and recruits to al Qaeda. As proof of his ability "to get money to
the Jihad," Moayad offered an FBI informant a receipt showing he transferred $70,000 to Interpal. Moayad also told FBI
informants he provided $3.5 million to Hamas and $20 million to al Qaeda.

Most recently, telephone intercepts introduced in the case of Shaykh Raed Salah, an Israeli-Arab leader charged with funneling
money to Hamas through Islamic charities he ran, reveal Salah engaged in conversations with Interpal officials and other Hamas
financial supporters throughout Europe.

Given all this, it boggles the mind that the Charity Commission could make the mistake of clearing a demonstrated Hamas front
organization like Interpal -- a second time -- given the wealth of publicly available evidence of its ties to Hamas. In fact, a senior
U.S. Treasury Department official recently testified before the U.S. Congress that the U.S. provided the Commission "definitive
proof" Interpal financed Hamas.

In the first test of the EU's decision to ban Hamas, Britain's Charity Commission has then failed miserably. Inexplicably, the
Commission ignored the plethora of readily available, unclassified evidence, choosing instead to turn a blind eye to the blood
money Hamas openly raises in the U.K.


http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/ml_gen/ml3_12_03.htm



Quote: The Hamas organ Filisteen Almuslima (Muslim Palestine) is directed from Damascus, printed in
Beirut and distributed worldwide from London, England. Its September issue pays tribute to the
suicide attack against Israel carried out on a Jerusalem bus in which 23 civilians were killed, a
third of them children. The organ’s ultimate aims are to make a role model of the suicide bomber
and thus to promote further similar attacks.


A picture of the Jerusalem Number 2 bus after the attack, as it appeared on the front cover of the September, 2003 issue of
Filisteen Almuslima. Many of the organ’s articles praise both the suicide attack and the terrorist who blew himself up with the
bus. Consequently, Palestinians increasingly view the attack as a symbol of heroism and success, worthy of emulation. A
concrete example of that view was a model bus painted with the picture of an ultra-Orthodox Jew, burned a short time later at a
mass rally held in Nablus to celebrate the third anniversary of the intifada [late September, 2003]


General Description

On August 19, 2003, Hamas carried out a terrorist attack against a Number 2 bus in West Jerusalem which resulted in
many casualties and signified the collapse of the hudna (temporary cessation of violent activity). A Hamas suicide bomber
named Ra’id Misk1 blew himself up in a bus full of civilian passengers, most of them ultra-Orthodox Jews on their way
home from praying at the Wailing Wall, causing 23 deaths, a third of them children.

1The name Misk in Arabic literally means and is the origin of the word musk in English. However, it also signifies the divine
odor rising from the grave clothes of a shaheed (such as Ra’id Misk), who, unlike other Moslems, who are buried in
shrouds, is buried in what he was wearing at the time of his death.



The Hamas organ Filisteen Almuslima is directed from Damascus, printed in Beirut and distributed from and possibly
edited in London, England. The September issue deals extensively with the terrorist attack against Israelis carried out on
a bus in West Jerusalem. It justifies and praises the attack, applauds all the attacks against Israel carried out during the
hudna and glorifies the terrorist who blew himself up with the bus. Its aim is to turn Ra’id Misk into a role model for
potential suicide bombers and to engrave the attack on the memory of the Palestinians as a symbol of heroic action
carried out as part of their armed struggle against Israel.



The September issue includes many references to the terrorist attack in Jerusalem and to its “hero,” Ra’id Misk. A picture
of the burned bus appears both on the front cover and in one of the articles. Many of them -- and an editorial -- deal with
the suicide bomber and his terrorist attack against Israel, and use political and Islamic religious arguments to justify it.



It should be noted that Ra’id Misk, the terrorist who carried out the attack on the bus in Jerusalem, was not a known
Hamas operative but primarily an Islamic religious preacher, which is why he is referred to in the articles as sheikh and
imam, terms which convey his respected Islamic religious status (one of the articles even refers to him as “the imam of the
suicide bombers”). He was married, had two young children and was older (29 years old) than most suicide bombers,
making him an exceptional Hamas figure and adding to his glory.



The Editorial

The editorial in the September issue of Filisteen Almuslima placed all responsibility for the suicide bombing attack on the
bus in Jerusalem directly on the “Zionists,” i.e., the Israelis, claiming it was a reprisal for Israeli attacks against Hamas and
Palestinian Islamic Jihad leaders. The terrorist who carried out the suicide attack (‘amaliyyah istish’hadiyyah) against the
bus is described as a hero. The editorial also quotes two verses from the Qur’an justifying, on Islamic religious grounds,
the terrorist attack, which, as it happened, targeted civilians, mainly women, the aged and children.



The article refers to the suicide bombing attack in Jerusalem as “a great act of martyrdom [i.e., suicide attack],” and
goes on to state that “the target was a bus on the Number 2 line, which runs from the Wailing Wall2 in East Jerusalem to
Haim Bar-Lev Street, through West Jerusalem.” The attack, it continues, resulted in 156 casualties including 20 deaths
and 136 wounded, 13 of them in critical condition. Both the article and the editorial present the terrorist attack as a
“legitimate response” to the targeted killings of Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists by Israel.





http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/bu/britain/sib2_10_03.htm

[Alexander The Great]

uzi4ufriend wrote: In Britain:

Quote: Turning a Blind Eye To Hamas in London

By Matthew Levitt, a former FBI counterterrorism intelligence analyst, is senior fellow in terrorism studies at The Washington Institute for Near East Policy in Washington D.C.


On September 6, the European Union finally abandoned the sophomoric position that the social and political wings of Hamas are
somehow distinct from the group's military wing, banning not only the Izz al Dinn al Qassam Brigades but Hamas overall. This
should have made it harder for Hamas to raise financing in Europe.

But less than three weeks later, in the first test of the new EU policy, Britain's Charity Commission for England and Wales
unfroze the accounts of the U.K.-based Palestinian Relief and Development Fund, or Interpal, one of the largest Hamas front
organizations operating in Europe. Why?

On August 21, the U.S. Treasury Department had fingered five charities, including Interpal, as Hamas front organizations and
branded them "Specially Designated Global Terrorist" entities. While the Charity Commission cleared it of terror financing
charges in 1996, Interpal has since been implicated in a several international terrorism cases.
Following the U.S. designation, the Commission quickly froze Interpal's accounts pending a complete investigation, forcing the
charity to receive the commission's special approval before sending donations abroad.

The Charity Commission's decision to unfreeze Interpal's accounts was therefore an unwelcome surprise. The Commission
claims U.S. authorities failed to provide evidence to substantiate their charges, a point that is disputed by the relevant U.S.
official. But even if it is true that that they didn't, the Commission does not take into account the plethora of open source
evidence linking Interpal to Hamas.

Consider the following examples of openly available evidence the Charity Commission failed to consider:


Already in 1996, the year the Charity Commission first cleared Interpal, authorities determined that the International Islamic
Relief Organization (IIRO) and the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), both Saudi charities associated with al Qaeda,
were funding Hamas through Interpal. In documents confiscated at the time, recipient Hamas organizations were asked to send
thank-you letters directly to IIRO and
WAMY rather than to Interpal. Last year, Israeli raids of Hamas run charities in the West Bank netted material lauding Hamas
suicide attacks and records showing that the IIRO donated at least $280,000 to the Tulkarm committee and other Palestinian
organizations linked to Hamas.

A recently disclosed 1996 CIA document on world-wide charitable organizations financing terror refers to Hamas operatives and
front organizations throughout Europe, including the U.K., Denmark, Austria, and Croatia. The document reveals that even then
authorities were aware that Hamas fronts like Human Appeal International and Human Relief International were operating offices
in London.

Authorities now know the trend continued after the Charity Commission last cleared Interpal of charges linking it to Hamas in
1996. The index of documents seized in last year's raids of West Bank charity committees revealed that Interpal and similar
organizations contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hamas charities, often specifying that the funds were to benefit
"the families of martyrs," in other words, blatant payments for suicide bombings. Interpal features prominently in these
documents, which include accounting spreadsheets, written correspondence, and more.

Shortly after September 11, the FBI tied Interpal to the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLFRD), the largest
Hamas front in America until in was shut in December 2001. According to an FBI memorandum on the HLFRD, Hamas
members tied to terrorist activity often run the charity committees funded Interpal, HLFRD and others.

For example, Fadel Muhammad Salah Hamdan of the Ramallah charity committee, Ahmed Salim Ahmed Saltana of the Jenin
charity committee, and Khalil Ali Rashad Dar Rashad of the Orphan Care Association in Bethlehem were all involved in Qassam
Brigades operations. Interpal openly reports its funding of these and other suspect charity committees.

The FBI memo also stated that "FBI analysis linked Sanabil, Interpal and the HLFRD." Sanabil, a Hamas front in Lebanon
through which Interpal transferred funds, was among the Hamas fronts designated in August. The report added, "a review of the
HLFRD's financial records shows that on April 11, 2000, the HLFRD wired Interpal $66,000.00."

U.S and German investigators also tied Interpal to Sheikh Mohammad Ali Hassan al Moayad. In addition to heading the Yemen
office of the al Aqsa International Foundation, a Hamas front organization operating on several continents, Moayad was arrested
in Germany for providing money, arms, communication gear, and recruits to al Qaeda. As proof of his ability "to get money to
the Jihad," Moayad offered an FBI informant a receipt showing he transferred $70,000 to Interpal. Moayad also told FBI
informants he provided $3.5 million to Hamas and $20 million to al Qaeda.

Most recently, telephone intercepts introduced in the case of Shaykh Raed Salah, an Israeli-Arab leader charged with funneling
money to Hamas through Islamic charities he ran, reveal Salah engaged in conversations with Interpal officials and other Hamas
financial supporters throughout Europe.

Given all this, it boggles the mind that the Charity Commission could make the mistake of clearing a demonstrated Hamas front
organization like Interpal -- a second time -- given the wealth of publicly available evidence of its ties to Hamas. In fact, a senior
U.S. Treasury Department official recently testified before the U.S. Congress that the U.S. provided the Commission "definitive
proof" Interpal financed Hamas.

In the first test of the EU's decision to ban Hamas, Britain's Charity Commission has then failed miserably. Inexplicably, the
Commission ignored the plethora of readily available, unclassified evidence, choosing instead to turn a blind eye to the blood
money Hamas openly raises in the U.K.


http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/ml_gen/ml3_12_03.htm



Quote: The Hamas organ Filisteen Almuslima (Muslim Palestine) is directed from Damascus, printed in
Beirut and distributed worldwide from London, England. Its September issue pays tribute to the
suicide attack against Israel carried out on a Jerusalem bus in which 23 civilians were killed, a
third of them children. The organ’s ultimate aims are to make a role model of the suicide bomber
and thus to promote further similar attacks.


A picture of the Jerusalem Number 2 bus after the attack, as it appeared on the front cover of the September, 2003 issue of
Filisteen Almuslima. Many of the organ’s articles praise both the suicide attack and the terrorist who blew himself up with the
bus. Consequently, Palestinians increasingly view the attack as a symbol of heroism and success, worthy of emulation. A
concrete example of that view was a model bus painted with the picture of an ultra-Orthodox Jew, burned a short time later at a
mass rally held in Nablus to celebrate the third anniversary of the intifada [late September, 2003]


General Description

On August 19, 2003, Hamas carried out a terrorist attack against a Number 2 bus in West Jerusalem which resulted in
many casualties and signified the collapse of the hudna (temporary cessation of violent activity). A Hamas suicide bomber
named Ra’id Misk1 blew himself up in a bus full of civilian passengers, most of them ultra-Orthodox Jews on their way
home from praying at the Wailing Wall, causing 23 deaths, a third of them children.

1The name Misk in Arabic literally means and is the origin of the word musk in English. However, it also signifies the divine
odor rising from the grave clothes of a shaheed (such as Ra’id Misk), who, unlike other Moslems, who are buried in
shrouds, is buried in what he was wearing at the time of his death.



The Hamas organ Filisteen Almuslima is directed from Damascus, printed in Beirut and distributed from and possibly
edited in London, England. The September issue deals extensively with the terrorist attack against Israelis carried out on
a bus in West Jerusalem. It justifies and praises the attack, applauds all the attacks against Israel carried out during the
hudna and glorifies the terrorist who blew himself up with the bus. Its aim is to turn Ra’id Misk into a role model for
potential suicide bombers and to engrave the attack on the memory of the Palestinians as a symbol of heroic action
carried out as part of their armed struggle against Israel.



The September issue includes many references to the terrorist attack in Jerusalem and to its “hero,” Ra’id Misk. A picture
of the burned bus appears both on the front cover and in one of the articles. Many of them -- and an editorial -- deal with
the suicide bomber and his terrorist attack against Israel, and use political and Islamic religious arguments to justify it.



It should be noted that Ra’id Misk, the terrorist who carried out the attack on the bus in Jerusalem, was not a known
Hamas operative but primarily an Islamic religious preacher, which is why he is referred to in the articles as sheikh and
imam, terms which convey his respected Islamic religious status (one of the articles even refers to him as “the imam of the
suicide bombers”). He was married, had two young children and was older (29 years old) than most suicide bombers,
making him an exceptional Hamas figure and adding to his glory.



The Editorial

The editorial in the September issue of Filisteen Almuslima placed all responsibility for the suicide bombing attack on the
bus in Jerusalem directly on the “Zionists,” i.e., the Israelis, claiming it was a reprisal for Israeli attacks against Hamas and
Palestinian Islamic Jihad leaders. The terrorist who carried out the suicide attack (‘amaliyyah istish’hadiyyah) against the
bus is described as a hero. The editorial also quotes two verses from the Qur’an justifying, on Islamic religious grounds,
the terrorist attack, which, as it happened, targeted civilians, mainly women, the aged and children.



The article refers to the suicide bombing attack in Jerusalem as “a great act of martyrdom [i.e., suicide attack],” and
goes on to state that “the target was a bus on the Number 2 line, which runs from the Wailing Wall2 in East Jerusalem to
Haim Bar-Lev Street, through West Jerusalem.” The attack, it continues, resulted in 156 casualties including 20 deaths
and 136 wounded, 13 of them in critical condition. Both the article and the editorial present the terrorist attack as a
“legitimate response” to the targeted killings of Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists by Israel.





http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/bu/britain/sib2_10_03.htm

Yeah, my familly relatives were just murdered for response.
Hattuel, do you remember them?

[Chris29]

Sorry to hear about your relatives Alexander +p

[Alexander The Great]

Chris29 wrote: Sorry to hear about your relatives Alexander +p

Thanks.

But, still, we should leave this behind.
That's was example.
Not to forget, but not to let it to controll me.

[Chris29]

Alexander The Great wrote: Chris29 wrote: Sorry to hear about your relatives Alexander +p

Thanks.

But, still, we should leave this behind.
That's was example.
Not to forget, but not to let it to controll me.

well I can't say I have ever experienced losing family to murder although I have seen individuals I have come close to die while in Africa. So I will tell you this. Never try to forget what you saw and never try to "leave it behind" it is ok to move on but the best way you can honor them is to turn their deaths into something positive. For example I used these peoples deaths in stories here in my hometown of Calgary and I believe that their stories helped inspire other to take action (obviously positive action, not revenging their deaths). You can try to forget it or diminish it all you want but eventually you realize that the only thing you can do is accept it.

[Alexander The Great]

Chris29 wrote: Alexander The Great wrote: Chris29 wrote: Sorry to hear about your relatives Alexander +p

Thanks.

But, still, we should leave this behind.
That's was example.
Not to forget, but not to let it to controll me.

well I can't say I have ever experienced losing family to murder although I have seen individuals I have come close to die while in Africa. So I will tell you this. Never try to forget what you saw and never try to "leave it behind" it is ok to move on but the best way you can honor them is to turn their deaths into something positive. For example I used these peoples deaths in stories here in my hometown of Calgary and I believe that their stories helped inspire other to take action (obviously positive action, not revenging their deaths). You can try to forget it or diminish it all you want but eventually you realize that the only thing you can do is accept it.

I haven't seen them while they died, I my familly received a phone call.