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[Jhonny]

Viva El Patria !

Have you heard about the sponsorship scandal ? Is that a good proof that the liberal government make’s the whole nation fall in the same hole has they are. The Federal government got involved in a scandal mounted to enrich the liberal party and their friends by substracting money from the wallet of the nation. Oh Saint democracy, we’ve voted for a gang of multimillionaries wanting to make more millions, didn’t we vote for a good scholarity program , for a health system that really works or an economical treaty ? if it’s the case than we have been swindled by our representants.
So why pay the taxes and all the federal fees , when we know that this money will go in their banks. Paul martin made a calling to the nation requesting us to wait until the end of the gomery comission to elect a new government. We don’t live a real democracy because In real democracy there’s no calling to the nation, It’s the nation that govern and the nation can’t call herself. I request from you , the whole generation of free minds , to please make the next votes a real choice and not just a capitalist choice.

[eXploiTeD]

Paul Martin has acted responsibly, and absent evidence implicating him in the sponsorship scandal, I really do not see any reason why the election cannot wait until the Gomery Report comes out...

[jehovahs_waitress]

If Paul Martin were CEO of a corporation, preceded by many years as Chief Financial Officer, and something like this occurred, what would happen?

He'd be fired, either for knowing what was going on and not interceding as is his sworn duty, or he'd be fired for gross incompetence for not knowing when clearly he should have.
Head of the Quebec Liberal caucus too.
It beggars belief to think that he did not know, another act of contempt to Canadians.

[Anson]

Yes Martin and the liberals are crooks, most people could spot that from far away. One of the other two realistic alternatives at the moment, the new tories, scare the hell out of the majority of Canadians a lot more than the liberals ever could. If Canada wants an all new crook on speed who believes in segragating people, vote Harper in the next election. If they want someone to look out for the majority of Canadians, Canada's future, and be a leader for the world concerning social justice, vote Jack Layton.

[jehovahs_waitress]

Poor Anson, he's a victim of Liberal Mind Control, the fearmongering campaign has affected his judgement.
Without any evidence at all , repeat none, it is determined that Harper is also corrupt.
Actually I am too harsh, vote for whomever you wish.
But I simply cannot understand supporting the Libs, unless you condone theft as well.

[Anson]

jehovahs_waitress wrote: Poor Anson, he's a victim of Liberal Mind Control, the fearmongering campaign has affected his judgement.
Without any evidence at all , repeat none, it is determined that Harper is also corrupt.
Actually I am too harsh, vote for whomever you wish.
But I simply cannot understand supporting the Libs, unless you condone theft as well.

Poor JW, he's a victim of Conservative Mind Control, the fearmongering campaign has affected his judgement.

Anyway, it doesn't take too much independent thought to figure out what Harper is up to. He wanted to send Canadian men and women over to Iraq so they could shoot people who don't like their country to be invaded. And why did he want to do that? To spread democracy.

If that is not the biggest lie then I don't know what is.

And he was all giddy with part of Martin's proposed budget earlier in the year. We all know what part that was, I'll quote from CTV news:

Quote: But it's the budget's generosity towards corporate Canada that's pleasing Conservatives and Big Business, with $4.9 billion in business tax breaks, along with an end to the corporate surtax imposed nearly 20 years ago to fight deficits.

If Harper gets into power we all know what he'll be doing with his coporate interests. Knowing what he's about, Canadians should look to prevent someone with those ideals from getting into power or they will regret it in the long run. But it seems like a difficult situation for many Canadians: vote for the heartless elitist CON servatives, or vote for the similar yet not as elitist LIE berals.



Then of course, there is that other party there that has been making huge strides lately as many Canadians do not like either of the main two corporate parties.

[eXploiTeD]

jehovahs_waitress wrote: If Paul Martin were CEO of a corporation, preceded by many years as Chief Financial Officer, and something like this occurred, what would happen?

He'd be fired, either for knowing what was going on and not interceding as is his sworn duty, or he'd be fired for gross incompetence for not knowing when clearly he should have.
Head of the Quebec Liberal caucus too.
It beggars belief to think that he did not know, another act of contempt to Canadians.

There is no evidence to suggest Martin was involved, and either way, an election is going to be called. This is what I like about responsible government - it lets the people decide who to believe.

[jehovahs_waitress]

Topic: Adscam
Response from Anson: incoherent blubbering about an individual not involved
Diagnosis: victim of Liberal ad campaigns, complete loss of critical thinking facilities
Prognosis: no chance of independent thought in his lifetime.

[eXploiTeD]

jehovahs_waitress wrote: Topic: Adscam
Response from Anson: incoherent blubbering about an individual not involved
Diagnosis: victim of Liberal ad campaigns, complete loss of critical thinking facilities
Prognosis: no chance of independent thought in his lifetime.

Just a suggestion: you are new here, and if you continue to behave in a patronizing manner, people are not going to like you very much.

[jehovahs_waitress]

Thanks for the tip.
So far, I've treated everybody with the respect they deserve.

[eXploiTeD]

jehovahs_waitress wrote: Thanks for the tip.
So far, I've treated everybody with the respect they deserve.

If everyone operated according to the same logic, there would never be any debate, only mindless attacks.

Be respectful.

[Anson]

jehovahs_waitress wrote: Topic: Adscam
Response from Anson: incoherent blubbering about an individual not involved
Diagnosis: victim of Liberal ad campaigns, complete loss of critical thinking facilities
Prognosis: no chance of independent thought in his lifetime.

I'm sure you'll last long here junior. Keep it comin, your getting quite the credibility!! :1lol:

[Jhonny]

For my part , im not a liberal and either a conservator and jack layton is not in my mind. About Duceppe now , for sure as a quebequese i whould vote for him if i was forced to but for now my hopes are redirected to the new partys. they carries new ideals and are more representative of my person.

You have to know that any choice will result has a falldown of the real meaning of democracy. All governments liberal to conservative want to in a way make more money. everybody know's it and what we do ? Nothing a big fat big nothing because people are comfortable whit that. But i hope in a not far future that everybody will realise that the democracy that we live in is dictature added whit capitalists and manipulating speechs

[Canadian-kid]

Right now I am in favour of the NDP, there are a few scenarios i'd like to see play out. one Paul Martin caves and lets the NDP have away with the 4.6 billion corporate tax break, or the NDP forces an election and gains some more seats and the liberals maintain a minority government. The conservates do scare me, Harper was in support of sending our military into Iraq and he wants to abolish our free health care system. right now NDP is the only way to go!

[Canada_Rocks]

I am a NDP'er I am glad the Libs made a budget alliance with Layton. Steven Harper is fuming, I hope his dumbass explodes from anal retention.

Maybe harper should have tried working harder at allying himself with the NDP, istead of doing his pointless pre - election campaigning. Now all th libs need is the 3 independents, One of them is Carolyn
Parrish , and we all know she will not support the conservative vote....

[jehovahs_waitress]

If I was a Quebecois, I'd vote Bloc.
If in Ontario, either Liberal or Tory.
In the West, Tory.
In the Maritimes, for whichever Party looked like a winner.
Why?

Because our federation has sadly degenerated into regions obliged to look after themselves. Quebec is the only province that publicly acknowledges that 'me first' is a successful strategy. Ontario is next.
The governance of Canada no longer works for a large proportion of its citizens.

[Canada_Rocks]

jehovahs_waitress wrote: If I was a Quebecois, I'd vote Bloc.
If in Ontario, either Liberal or Tory.
In the West, Tory.
In the Maritimes, for whichever Party looked like a winner.
Why?

Because our federation has sadly degenerated into regions obliged to look after themselves. Quebec is the only province that publicly acknowledges that 'me first' is a successful strategy. Ontario is next.
The governance of Canada no longer works for a large proportion of its citizens.

Its always been like that, Trudeau was one of the only PM's that ever gave a crap about the WEST

[timmtc]

There are several reasons why it is innapropriate to wait for the final gomery report. Jean Chretien and his Lawyers are currently trying to end the commission through legal action, and there is a good chance this will actually pull through. There also is no deadline for when the report is to be published, the pre report is said to come out in november, however the other one could be released as late as early 2006, that means there wouldn't be an election for 10 months or so. Paul Martin is only doing this so he can buy time, hoping this Gomery report blows over.

What is with all the Liberals coming on here with the whole fear mongering campaign about Stephen Harper, I haven't seen anything fearful come of him to be honest. Incase you haven't noticed, Paul Martin is THE fiscal conservative, talk about serving coorperate interests look right at our Prime Minister. Right about now, the only other party I have any respect for is the NDP, because they have a platform and they do what they say. I don't agree with the platform, but I at least respect that they live by an ideology and they represent their people well.

See, just because I am a conservative doesn't mean I can show respect for the NDP. Perhaps more people on here should see through the bulls**t and have meaningful debate.

[Canada_Rocks]

Quote: the liberal party and their friends by substracting money from the wallet of the nation

Speaking of Liberals ripping off taxpayers to advertise their party. Have any o you heard about Gordon Campbell (BC Liberals)spending millions of dollars in tax payers money for campaign commercials for the spring election?

I think it is quite obvious that the libs are ****, plain and simple. There is little room to debate the Liberals. Now if you want to debate the NDP and the Conservatives, there is ground to do.

Its up to us as Canadians, to stop this political BS that has been brewing for the past several years.
As Timtc said, "the only other party I have any respect for is the NDP, because they have a platform and they do what they say". We can all find common ground with either party. I am NDP, but I can agree with certain COnservative policies as well. (IE Larger Millitary, tougher immigration laws). The liberals in BC BROKE 25 major campaign promises. How can this be justified? How can you lie to the face of the voters? Bush doesnt even lie to the voters, and you know how much everyone bashes Bush. In a way, our government is more dishonest than the americans. Canadians might be able to relate with the peaceful policies of our gov, but what are policies when they arent backed up with character.

[Canadian-kid]

jehovahs_waitress wrote: In the Maritimes, for whichever Party looked like a winner.

sure as Hell isn't going to be the torries over here, Steven Harper doesn't like atlantic Canada and we don't like him.