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connermt · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 1526 Location: CMH OHIO

cup2006Sens wrote: toddytodd wrote: cup2006Sens wrote: To me it is a nutty cult. But really it has no more or less validity than Christianity or Islam. It just is newer and less people believe it.

To me it doesn't seem that much different than the catholic church with it's secrecy and cult like nature.

At least you don't have to pay money to join the catholic church
But I do see your general point. Christianity seemed nutty at first I would think

Yes in Cathoilc communities for hundreds of years people weren't forced to pay a tithe...... Oh wait they were forced to do that.

Most every one & every thing has a less than perfect past. How about living more in the now, than hundreds of years ago?

Carlin · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:47 am Post subject:

Scientology is a corporate religion that preys on weak minds. It promises people freedom from stress. They believe that stress is caused from aliens putting devices in our heads. :(

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Schmengus_jr wrote: Whats up with scientology..what is it? ive heard some things about it, that it is a cult, and that they are devil worshipers.....will some1 explain it to me, and y do they have so many celebrity members?

They are a self-help sort of cult. Scientology was created by a science fiction author, who was often quoted as saying "Making up a religion would be a great way to become rich."

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

cup2006Sens wrote: To me it is a nutty cult. But really it has no more or less validity than Christianity or Islam. It just is newer and less people believe it.

To me it doesn't seem that much different than the catholic church with it's secrecy and cult like nature.

There is nothing secret about the Catholic Church.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

cup2006Sens wrote: toddytodd wrote: cup2006Sens wrote: To me it is a nutty cult. But really it has no more or less validity than Christianity or Islam. It just is newer and less people believe it.

To me it doesn't seem that much different than the catholic church with it's secrecy and cult like nature.

At least you don't have to pay money to join the catholic church
But I do see your general point. Christianity seemed nutty at first I would think

Yes in Cathoilc communities for hundreds of years people weren't forced to pay a tithe...... Oh wait they were forced to do that.

That's long past. I've got a good friend who's a priest. One night at dinner, we talked about the possibility of married priests. He said that, all else considered, it would be impossible. Catholics, at least in the U.S., don't tithe 10% as do Protestants. Few Catholic churches have enough money coming through to support a priest with a family.

mendosan · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 2814

Catholic priests were allowed to marry for longer than have been disallowed.

mojo · Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 5548 Location: Dreamland, NC

mendosan wrote: Catholic priests were allowed to marry for longer than have been disallowed.

I like what Pope John Paul the second had to say on the issue

"The vow of celibacy is a matter of keeping one's word to Christ and the Church. a duty and a proof of the priest's inner maturity; it is the expression of his personal dignity. "
Pope John Paul II

connermt · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 1526 Location: CMH OHIO

perdidochas wrote: cup2006Sens wrote: To me it is a nutty cult. But really it has no more or less validity than Christianity or Islam. It just is newer and less people believe it.

To me it doesn't seem that much different than the catholic church with it's secrecy and cult like nature.

There is nothing secret about the Catholic Church. :shock:

Random Evil Guy · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 1805

cap'n queasy wrote: There is so much wacked stuff I don't know where to begin.

that's hilarious coming from a christian.. :lol:

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

mendosan wrote: Catholic priests were allowed to marry for longer than have been disallowed.

That wasn't the point I was making. The point was that Catholics don't tithe.

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

Schmengus_jr wrote: Whats up with scientology..what is it? ive heard some things about it, that it is a cult, and that they are devil worshipers.....will some1 explain it to me, and y do they have so many celebrity members?

What is good about scientoliogy is you can observe how religions is formed. Today, where more things are recorded, you can see for yourself how christianity and all the other major religions were formed in a modern setting. It is very interesting.

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

perdidochas wrote: cup2006Sens wrote: toddytodd wrote: cup2006Sens wrote: To me it is a nutty cult. But really it has no more or less validity than Christianity or Islam. It just is newer and less people believe it.

To me it doesn't seem that much different than the catholic church with it's secrecy and cult like nature.

At least you don't have to pay money to join the catholic church
But I do see your general point. Christianity seemed nutty at first I would think

Yes in Cathoilc communities for hundreds of years people weren't forced to pay a tithe...... Oh wait they were forced to do that.

That's long past. I've got a good friend who's a priest. One night at dinner, we talked about the possibility of married priests. He said that, all else considered, it would be impossible. Catholics, at least in the U.S., don't tithe 10% as do Protestants. Few Catholic churches have enough money coming through to support a priest with a family.

That is a huge lie...

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

politicalmojo wrote: mendosan wrote: Catholic priests were allowed to marry for longer than have been disallowed.

I like what Pope John Paul the second had to say on the issue

"The vow of celibacy is a matter of keeping one's word to Christ and the Church. a duty and a proof of the priest's inner maturity; it is the expression of his personal dignity. "
Pope John Paul II

You forgot to add the last part: "Sex with the little boys is a catholic priest way of life!"

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

perdidochas wrote: cup2006Sens wrote: To me it is a nutty cult. But really it has no more or less validity than Christianity or Islam. It just is newer and less people believe it.

To me it doesn't seem that much different than the catholic church with it's secrecy and cult like nature.

There is nothing secret about the Catholic Church.

That is a lie too.

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

perdidochas wrote: mendosan wrote: Catholic priests were allowed to marry for longer than have been disallowed.

That wasn't the point I was making. The point was that Catholics don't tithe.

If they don't tithe why is the Catholic CHurch the wealthiest orginization in the world? Apparently that gold on the ceilings in the vatican came from.....?

Todd D. · Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject:

mendosan wrote: Catholic priests were allowed to marry for longer than have been disallowed.
Gwah? The absolute latest that we can consider celibacy in the clergy to have started is around 800 AD, over 1,200 years ago. Sorry, that's flat out wrong.

Catholics DO tithe, but it's not focused on in the same way that it is in Protestant churches. In Protestant Churches, the expectation is quite explicit and you are reminded several times of what they are asking. In Catholic practices, they do take for collection during every Mass, but very rarely will any sort of theological requirement be brought up that you owe 10%.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Silkheat wrote: perdidochas wrote: cup2006Sens wrote: toddytodd wrote: cup2006Sens wrote: To me it is a nutty cult. But really it has no more or less validity than Christianity or Islam. It just is newer and less people believe it.

To me it doesn't seem that much different than the catholic church with it's secrecy and cult like nature.

At least you don't have to pay money to join the catholic church
But I do see your general point. Christianity seemed nutty at first I would think

Yes in Cathoilc communities for hundreds of years people weren't forced to pay a tithe...... Oh wait they were forced to do that.

That's long past. I've got a good friend who's a priest. One night at dinner, we talked about the possibility of married priests. He said that, all else considered, it would be impossible. Catholics, at least in the U.S., don't tithe 10% as do Protestants. Few Catholic churches have enough money coming through to support a priest with a family.

That is a huge lie...

No, it's not. As I said, I discussed it with my friend the priest. He was actually kind of ashamed of the fact that Catholics arent tithing enough. I have no reason to lie about it, as I'm kind of ashamed of it. I know I don't come close to tithing 10%. I know few devout Protestants who don't tithe.

My point also mainly just applies to America. In countries, like Germany, where people pay church taxes, priests could easily afford marriage.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Silkheat wrote: perdidochas wrote: mendosan wrote: Catholic priests were allowed to marry for longer than have been disallowed.

That wasn't the point I was making. The point was that Catholics don't tithe.

If they don't tithe why is the Catholic CHurch the wealthiest orginization in the world? Apparently that gold on the ceilings in the vatican came from.....?

Let me amend what I said. U.S. Catholics don't tithe. Tithing means donating 10% of your gross income. Anything less is not tithing. Now, maybe historically, they have tithed, but at least in the U.S., we don't.

www.emptytomb.org/cathgiv.html

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Silkheat wrote: politicalmojo wrote: mendosan wrote: Catholic priests were allowed to marry for longer than have been disallowed.

I like what Pope John Paul the second had to say on the issue

"The vow of celibacy is a matter of keeping one's word to Christ and the Church. a duty and a proof of the priest's inner maturity; it is the expression of his personal dignity. "
Pope John Paul II

You forgot to add the last part: "Sex with the little boys is a catholic priest way of life!"

Talk about lies.....

The rate of child molestation by Catholic priests is similar to the rate of child molestation by married Protestant ministers, both of which have a rate that is lower than the male population as a whole.

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

perdidochas wrote:

No, it's not. As I said, I discussed it with my friend the priest. He was actually kind of ashamed of the fact that Catholics arent tithing enough. I have no reason to lie about it, as I'm kind of ashamed of it. I know I don't come close to tithing 10%. I know few devout Protestants who don't tithe.

My point also mainly just applies to America. In countries, like Germany, where people pay church taxes, priests could easily afford marriage.

Most of the catholic churches I have dealt with have private cooks. Look at how huge most catholic churches are as a testament to their wealth.
Maybe that priest was from a poor parish, but that isn't indicative to a trend. The church I went to the monseigneur actually blessed Fidel Castro, and was well known in the business world, let alone the countless other wealthy parishes. What a crock, but it isn't surprising hearing a priest want more money.