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[americaismadeofmiddleeast]

There is a fact that no one has ever mentioned in this forum, that being Iranians and many Israelies are in fact brothers and sisters. Many israelies were born in Iran who are proud of being from the persian-jewish decent. Many of whom has taken position in the Israeli government. As an Iranian, I am very proud of them too. They are the only ones who actually understand the situation in the middle east. They are the one who will never ever let an israeli nuke strike the Iranian sole because they are in love with Iran. They know that more than 90% of the people in Iran hate the mullah's regime as much as they do. And they know that very soon, the iranian people will be in charge of their own country instead of bunch of corropted fundamental freaks playing with their destiny. Iranian people will make the wish of those israeli ppl happening, who want to come back at least for a visit to Iran.

I loved it when I saw in the TV, in your very own CNN, that the Iranian president who were elected by ppl's vote but has almost no power has shaken hand with the Israel president who is in fact an Iranian-jewish at the pop's funeral.Another interesting fact that the israel president and the Iranian president were born in the same town in Iran called, Yazd. They even speaked in Farsi and had a conversation about Yazd during the prayer in Vatican.

There is in fact a deep loving relationship between the two nations. We just have to move away the ashes to find this hot and charming love.

[Mr. Speaker]

we cannot stop Iran from developing these weapons without military intervention. At this time, that is impossible. The Isreali's however are in a unique posistion. The nations of the middle east know that the United States would back Isreal, no matter what. So say Iran does use nuclear force on any nation, particulary Isreal, they realize that they would bring dozens if not hundreds of nuclear, and hydrogen bombs(which the military is itching to test) on Iranian, and other offending nations soil. It would be devastating to the region and the world because of damaged oil wells. As far as a threat to the united states goes....its highly unlikely. The Iranians, along with the N. Koreans lack the ballistic technology to actually reach the United States, and would be impossible for them to fly a plane over the border (not impossible but in the .000667% range). Terrorist could smuggle the warhead into the country, but Iran is years away from developing that type of portable technology, especialy the trigger. The greatest threats come from either Iran using the weapons in the Middle East, or supplying terror cells with the technology.

[supergrover]

Lets see the pictures. I dont belive jack till I see some pictures. TO date I seen talk about them But havent seen the goods. If the Isrealis have pictures and know where they are then what they hell are they waiting for? I dont belive they have anything but pictures of dead pali women and children. If the Americnas have pictures let see em. And if they are nuke sites then what the hell are they waiting for? Somebody to invite them to go? If they put ground troops in Iran not only are the criminal they are freaking sucidal and stupid. If they can proove there is weapons being made wich Id love to see. Not likely. But if they do then they should shut up bomb the reactors and find out where they came from and put a stop to it.

They didnt with N korea they didnt with Pakistan and I doutb they will with Iran. Its all a load of BS. If they were serious about arms proliferation they woud be taking far more steps then they ever have. They cetinsaly coud have done much more in the past.

[Jason.Spade]

It is not the concept of another country attacking the United States that one should find disturbing. It is the idea of a country with so little security as Iran having nuclear capabilities. It allows the possibility of an armed force coming into possession of one of these warheads. A small group does not need to fear the retribution that a country would receive, and can inflict the intended damage.
Furthermore, a country with so little assistance in its nuclear capabilities is doomed to suffer the consequences eventually. Reactor meltdowns or other potentially harmful mistakes could permanently harm both the environment and the country.
Perhaps the best question is as follows:
What fear should we have if we help Iran to be secure in both power-plant and warehouse?

[Nelson]

supergrover wrote: Lets see the pictures. I dont belive jack till I see some pictures. TO date I seen talk about them But havent seen the goods. If the Isrealis have pictures and know where they are then what they hell are they waiting for? I dont belive they have anything but pictures of dead pali women and children. If the Americnas have pictures let see em. And if they are nuke sites then what the hell are they waiting for? Somebody to invite them to go? If they put ground troops in Iran not only are the criminal they are freaking sucidal and stupid. If they can proove there is weapons being made wich Id love to see. Not likely. But if they do then they should shut up bomb the reactors and find out where they came from and put a stop to it.

They didnt with N korea they didnt with Pakistan and I doutb they will with Iran. Its all a load of BS. If they were serious about arms proliferation they woud be taking far more steps then they ever have. They cetinsaly coud have done much more in the past.

"They" might not have stopped North Korea or Pakistan, but Israel is involved with Iran - and Israel isn't going to act the same way the United States did.

[supergrover]

Sharon is a madman and would have no problem launching a strike. If there was something there hed have blown it away by now. Bush just looking for an excuse to isolate an econmocial uncoperative goverment just like Iraq.

If it was truly a matter of nukes and secruity then those supposed reactors should be rubble by now.

Furthermore. THis country needs to drop the partisan warfare and come together to find out why this was allowed ot happen. If the American Intel services were funtioning the way they should have been this would never be an issue at all.

[Jason.Spade]

Quote: If it was truly a matter of nukes and secruity then those supposed reactors should be rubble by now.

Furthermore. THis country needs to drop the partisan warfare and come together to find out why this was allowed ot happen. If the American Intel services were funtioning the way they should have been this would never be an issue at all.

The idea of continuing a war that does not help Bush personally or the United States as a whole is not an idea that any politician would pursue. It is the idea of allowing other countries to provide renewable sources of energy in an age where non-renewable sources are becoming exhausted that the American government proposed when they allowed the construction of nuclear power plants in the first place.

The development of weapons was not unexpected; the close surveillance of such activities assures this. Nor should the development be taken as a reason to instigate another war. Instead, a level of trust and unity should be developed, not necessarily between the United States and Iran, that allows the mutual development of nuclear technology as a whole.

We live in an age where the threat of power is the dominant player in international society, not unlike any other age before us. To desire to become a player is understandable; but by letting Iran introduce itself as a player, it becomes the target of every other powerful nation. If a country were to introduce Iran on its own accord, international cooperation could blossom.

Surely, international cooperation is a preferable outcome to war?

[supergrover]

Corroption is fine. But the Americans wont do that will they? Theya re greedy and hostile. At least if they were stand up and straightfoward at least once they could maybe do some good for a change in taking out these sites IF they exist. But I sincerely doubt they do. Its a smokescreen and is just more pwoer play but the US and its greedy leadership and dopey populace that will do nothing about it but complain. Or even more dopey cheer it on.

[Jason.Spade]

I cannot deny that the United States has a tendency to use unnecessary military force. What I merely suggest is that in order to confirm the existence of these rumored nuclear weapons sites, it would be less beneficial to commit to war than to employ more peaceful and cooperative options.

[supergrover]

One more reason that the Bush Admin is so supect. When they should use force they do not. when they should not they do. IF and I still dont belive they have jack. But IF they do. An Isreali like operation to elimnate them is what is needed. With N Korea and other coutnries profilerating the weapons Not war is needed but ways of prevention much stronger then the ones used. Naval Blockades etc.

Something shady going down.

[Nelson]

supergrover wrote: One more reason that the Bush Admin is so supect. When they should use force they do not. when they should not they do. IF and I still dont belive they have jack. But IF they do. An Isreali like operation to elimnate them is what is needed. With N Korea and other coutnries profilerating the weapons Not war is needed but ways of prevention much stronger then the ones used. Naval Blockades etc.

Something shady going down.

I think an 'Israeli like operation to elimnate them' is what is probably going to happen. It just might include both Israel, the United States, and a number of other countries - because it isn't only in Israel's interest to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons.

Israel has not lied about countries having weapons of mass destruction before - and unfortunately, the majority of the world thinks that this won't be the first time Israel has told a lie about weapons. Iran soon (Two months now?) will have nuclear weapon capabilities according to a recent report, so an 'Israeli like operation to elimnate them' is definitely in order.

[kreeptik]

Alexander The Great wrote: Stop Iran before it's too late!


You are obviously getting ur news from american media. The neocons in the Bush admin including Paul Wolfowitz, a Jew, want you to believe that Iran is a threat. Its the Zionists in Israel who are propagating this lie. Iran has the right to have nucleur weapons. Though wolfowitz is no longer in the admin this was fabricated when he was in office. All the wars that we are fighting are because of Israel. But where is Israel when we fight these wars? Its our soldiers that are dying. Read my posting about two israels getting caught with grenades inside the Mexican Congress. I have no sympathy for zionists.

[Hobbie]

kreeptik wrote: Alexander The Great wrote: Stop Iran before it's too late!


You are obviously getting ur news from american media. The neocons in the Bush admin including Paul Wolfowitz, a Jew, want you to believe that Iran is a threat. Its the Zionists in Israel who are propagating this lie. Iran has the right to have nucleur weapons. Though wolfowitz is no longer in the admin this was fabricated when he was in office. All the wars that we are fighting are because of Israel. But where is Israel when we fight these wars? Its our soldiers that are dying. Read my posting about two israels getting caught with grenades inside the Mexican Congress. I have no sympathy for zionists.

Yes, it's all the Jews fault. I seem to recall a certain fascist dictator who used the same argument...

[narikimakoto]

Hobbie wrote: kreeptik wrote: Alexander The Great wrote: Stop Iran before it's too late!


You are obviously getting ur news from american media. The neocons in the Bush admin including Paul Wolfowitz, a Jew, want you to believe that Iran is a threat. Its the Zionists in Israel who are propagating this lie. Iran has the right to have nucleur weapons. Though wolfowitz is no longer in the admin this was fabricated when he was in office. All the wars that we are fighting are because of Israel. But where is Israel when we fight these wars? Its our soldiers that are dying. Read my posting about two israels getting caught with grenades inside the Mexican Congress. I have no sympathy for zionists.

Yes, it's all the Jews fault. I seem to recall a certain fascist dictator who used the same argument...
Dont worry Hobbie, its an evil zionist plot to take over the Middle East, through the war on terror. Jew control everything.

[Nelson]

kreeptik wrote: Alexander The Great wrote: Stop Iran before it's too late!


You are obviously getting ur news from american media. The neocons in the Bush admin including Paul Wolfowitz, a Jew, want you to believe that Iran is a threat. Its the Zionists in Israel who are propagating this lie. Iran has the right to have nucleur weapons. Though wolfowitz is no longer in the admin this was fabricated when he was in office. All the wars that we are fighting are because of Israel. But where is Israel when we fight these wars? Its our soldiers that are dying. Read my posting about two israels getting caught with grenades inside the Mexican Congress. I have no sympathy for zionists.

Actually, I would think it would be pretty obvious that he gets his news from Israeli media, as he does live in Israel.

From what I understand as well, Kreeptik, Woody Allen is also a part of the Hollywood scheme to steal the money from all non-Jews and deliver it to Israel in order to buy more bombs that explode into nails. With these bombs, Israeli's will be able to detonate themselves on Palestinian school buses and throughout their restaurants and homes!

Iran doesn't have the right to have nuclear weapons - and do you know who decides if they have the right or not? The Jews who control all of the worlds banks (Except for the swiss, from what I understand), and the Jews who control politics. So deal with it.

[Werdna]

I think we should all save up some money and give it to Russia so they can rebuild and restart the cold war!
the world seemed a much safer place then! ;-)

If US policy was about peace and pleasing people in the middle East and the rest of the world then the smart thing to do would be to HELP Iran to build safe and eficient nuclear plants!!
What country wouldn't be kind and understanding towards the US if they were helped to strive economically by that very country??
Another reason Iran might want a nuclear weapon could simply be to get themselves on a world political level with other nuclear countires!

From the posts here it is very obvious that there is very little knowledge about the muslim countries!!
Someone said that all the muslims are just people that don't care about dying etc.
What a load of BS!! These suicide bombers are just military units! Or does everyone think all the Japanese don't care about living??

It's seriously time to really think of measures to avoid military action! And that starts by changing the american economy and to cut spending on military, so the governmetn doesn't always HAVE to use them.

Werdna

[Pilgrim]

psholtz wrote: The only real enemy of the United States always has been (and always will be, until it's eradicated from the face of this planet) the British Crown.
:bang:

psholtz wrote: Israel, on the other hand, owes its very existence to the British Crown, so...... already you have a huge conflict of interest between Israel and the U.S. right from the get-go..
:bang:

Perhaps one day you will realise history and origin may be reflected upon and respected but at the same time, history should be a lesson to politically aware person (supposedly) such as you Psholtz. Loyalties lie where there is security, strength and powerful allies; gain for the nation and firmer place geopolitically. Especially in case of Israel. They need strong allies as they are surrounded by basicly hostile nations. There is no conflict of interest in gray leaves of history and whatever the origin is doesn't matter even if it was appreciated and respected. British Crown is far away from support such as USA is and has been providing for Israel.

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[Alexander The Great]

americaismadeofmiddleeast wrote: There is a fact that no one has ever mentioned in this forum, that being Iranians and many Israelies are in fact brothers and sisters. Many israelies were born in Iran who are proud of being from the persian-jewish decent. Many of whom has taken position in the Israeli government. As an Iranian, I am very proud of them too. They are the only ones who actually understand the situation in the middle east. They are the one who will never ever let an israeli nuke strike the Iranian sole because they are in love with Iran. They know that more than 90% of the people in Iran hate the mullah's regime as much as they do. And they know that very soon, the iranian people will be in charge of their own country instead of bunch of corropted fundamental freaks playing with their destiny. Iranian people will make the wish of those israeli ppl happening, who want to come back at least for a visit to Iran.

I loved it when I saw in the TV, in your very own CNN, that the Iranian president who were elected by ppl's vote but has almost no power has shaken hand with the Israel president who is in fact an Iranian-jewish at the pop's funeral.Another interesting fact that the israel president and the Iranian president were born in the same town in Iran called, Yazd. They even speaked in Farsi and had a conversation about Yazd during the prayer in Vatican.

There is in fact a deep loving relationship between the two nations. We just have to move away the ashes to find this hot and charming love.

So why are yout " Mullahs " so eager to destroy us?

[Ingsoc]

Screw Isreal, they are the ones to be feared in the middle east. They are the ones with nukes, they are the ones with the only modern army in the area, they are the ones to have gone on the warpath over the years. If any middle eastern state is danergous in the area, it is Isreal. Anyone who says anything different is symply racist, biased, or whathaveyou against Arabs.

[George W Bush]

Iran has a right to defend themselves.