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[Canadian-kid]

timmtc wrote:
To Canadian-Kid

I understand you're new at the whole debate thing so i'll be a little easy. I think that to say participating in WWI was wrong is a complete joke. You've probably never ever taken a history course, or even a civics/political science course. The army was a volunteer one, and people CHOSE to participate on their own will. What is wrong with sending a volunteer army to do so?

I am not new to debating I love to debate and i've been debating for years., im only new to this forum. Once again read my posts carefully I NEVER said that participating in WWI was wrong! I said we didn't have to but CHOSE to. also I HAVE taken a history course, two in fact History 9 and History 10. History 9 was ALL about Canada and our history including WWI. History 10 was all about old civiliazations and i find history fascinating. Nothing is wrong with sending a volunteer army!!!! read my posts again!!! yes the people volunteered but our government could have choosen not to send them im not saying they shouldnt have sent them im saying we had the choice to not participate in this war because one poster here claimed he had no choice.

[Canadian-kid]

timmtc wrote: Speaking of dark moments, let's talk about the supposed "peacekeeping" mission in Rawanda, where Canadian peacekeepers could only stand and watch as thousands of men, women and children were killed with machette's.

Speaking of dark moments lets talk about Nicaragua and the horror that happened there when the US got involved.

[Pimpkie_69]

It's ironic how we claim to be anti-American blablabla but we basically rely on America to defend us. If there was ever a war between Canada and some other nation, we would rely on America to defend us rather than our pathetic joke of an army (no offence to our soldiers or anything, what I mean is the army is underfunded and underequipped). So really either we should beef up our own army or stop trying to piss off America.

[Canada_Rocks]

Im thinking of joining a reseve force in vancouver, you just designate a day of your time and its good exercise while i turmoil over papers and lectures,

as far as what I think of it, obviously I respect it, afterall I m Canadian.
On the otherhand, the machinery is outdated.
But on the upside, The Canadian armed forces are rated really high in almost every index involving millitary rankings.

But I also believe armies are outdated and in an era where economic ties reign heavier, having brute force is less effective than having an illustrious trading portfolio.

And Canadas trading Portfolio in overflowing.

[Roxanne of the world]

Canada_rocks wrote: Im thinking of joining a reseve force in vancouver, you just designate a day of your time and its good exercise while i turmoil over papers and lectures,

you should definatly look into joining! You get paid for the day( and on occaision free lunch) you do your tests. There are 4 :physical, medical, interview and the cfat. You might as well give it a try, the reserves is an awsome opportunity! are you thinking infantry, engeneer, artillary, ....?

[Canada_Rocks]

wow, this is the first personal question i have ever recieved here, usually the responses start with "stupid Canadian", "Too many Molsons?" etc :)

Im not sure yet, i was in Navel cadets when i was 13, but i was surfing around the canadian government webpage and found the Derpartment of Defence...I looked a little farther and found a list of reserve units across BC (The main site I ws on was for an Artillery Unit" on 10th St. in Vancouver.)
..I thought it was funny..a Artillery unit smack dab in downtown vancouver.

Do you have any millitary training or have you looked into this?

Private message me if you have any sugestions.

[D@N]

Canada rocks, you should join up!

I'm in the process of joining the 5th field in Victoria. The tests are fairly easy, but a hint of advice, don't tell them about ANY drug use if your tests will come up clean, I admitted to smoking majiawna and they told me I had to redo my interview in may, they are very strict with drug policies.

@ timmtc,

good point, I forgot about the situations in Rwanda, also in Somalia where Canadian soldiers tortured a enemy combatant

Side note; I think its really sad that with Doctor Norman Bethune that China has more recognition to him then we do, because he fought on "the wrong side". He was a great man, I wish he was recognized more and not put down because he was a communist

[timmtc]

Canadian-kid wrote: timmtc wrote:
To Canadian-Kid

I understand you're new at the whole debate thing so i'll be a little easy. I think that to say participating in WWI was wrong is a complete joke. You've probably never ever taken a history course, or even a civics/political science course. The army was a volunteer one, and people CHOSE to participate on their own will. What is wrong with sending a volunteer army to do so?

I am not new to debating I love to debate and i've been debating for years., im only new to this forum. Once again read my posts carefully I NEVER said that participating in WWI was wrong! I said we didn't have to but CHOSE to. also I HAVE taken a history course, two in fact History 9 and History 10. History 9 was ALL about Canada and our history including WWI. History 10 was all about old civiliazations and i find history fascinating. Nothing is wrong with sending a volunteer army!!!! read my posts again!!! yes the people volunteered but our government could have choosen not to send them im not saying they shouldnt have sent them im saying we had the choice to not participate in this war because one poster here claimed he had no choice.

That is kind of my point, if you truely believe going into WWI was a mistake then you lack some type of historical knowledge...especially when you claim our participation was for some type of political gain.

[Canada_Rocks]

Participating in WWI was a mistake??? did I miss something...I thought it was for freedom...no no no..Not the modern day "Freedom" America spews but accual freedom. I think our educational system need to be adjusted a bit...

Was WW2 wrong too. should we have just layed on our asses like the an unamed country and do nothing?

[D@N]

Canada_rocks wrote: Participating in WWI was a mistake??? did I miss something...I thought it was for freedom...no no no..Not the modern day "Freedom" America spews but actual freedom. I think our educational system need to be adjusted a bit...

Was WW2 wrong too. should we have just layed on our asses like the an unamed country and do nothing?

you do know how WW1 was started did you?
It was a stupid and pointless war fought in the dying breath by Europe's monarchs of old.

WW2 was different because it was only Hitler and Mussolini that were trying to spread fascism and oppress other countries. With WW1, it was simply a mater of peace accords and treaties that fell like domino's. The whole war started because A Austro-Hungarian prince was assassinated in Serbia, Does that sound like a good cause for 20 million deaths?

[Canadian-kid]

timmtc wrote: Canadian-kid wrote: timmtc wrote:
To Canadian-Kid

I understand you're new at the whole debate thing so i'll be a little easy. I think that to say participating in WWI was wrong is a complete joke. You've probably never ever taken a history course, or even a civics/political science course. The army was a volunteer one, and people CHOSE to participate on their own will. What is wrong with sending a volunteer army to do so?

I am not new to debating I love to debate and i've been debating for years., im only new to this forum. Once again read my posts carefully I NEVER said that participating in WWI was wrong! I said we didn't have to but CHOSE to. also I HAVE taken a history course, two in fact History 9 and History 10. History 9 was ALL about Canada and our history including WWI. History 10 was all about old civiliazations and i find history fascinating. Nothing is wrong with sending a volunteer army!!!! read my posts again!!! yes the people volunteered but our government could have choosen not to send them im not saying they shouldnt have sent them im saying we had the choice to not participate in this war because one poster here claimed we had no choice.

That is kind of my point, if you truely believe going into WWI was a mistake then you lack some type of historical knowledge...especially when you claim our participation was for some type of political gain.


ARGH!!!

What is with this forum and people not reading what i type! take a carefull look at what I quoted, I enlarged important parts in my post so you can notice them and read them carefully. I think sending the army was a good idea and that it wasnt for political gain in fact I bet the governemnt was eager to as they were loyal to the crown. WHAT I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING WAS WE COULD HAVE CHOOSEN NOT TO SEND THEM, I SAID THIS BECAUSE A POSTER SAID WE HAD TO AND DIDNT HAVE A CHOICE IN SENDING OUR ARMY.

[Roxanne of the world]

D@N wrote: Canada rocks, you should join up!

I'm in the process of joining the 5th field in Victoria.

Thats artillary ai? Cause ARTY ROCKS! :-D Good luck once you get in!

[timmtc]

Quote: WHAT I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING WAS WE COULD HAVE CHOOSEN NOT TO SEND THEM

What the hell does that imply?

[Canada_Rocks]

[quote][you do know how WW1 was started did you?
It was a stupid and pointless war fought in the dying breath by Europe's monarchs of old. /quote]

What does that have to do with anything. It was still canadas responsibility to help.



Quote: WW2 was different because it was only Hitler and Mussolini that were trying to spread fascism and oppress other countries. With WW1, it was simply a mater of peace accords and treaties that fell like domino's. The whole war started because A Austro-Hungarian prince was assassinated in Serbia, Does that sound like a good cause for 20 million deaths?

Accually WW2 started becasue the allies stripped Germany of all power and millitary and money, the germans thought they got a raw deal and were quite angry. The great depression took a toll on germany and they needed to recoupe their losses. Dont forget ww2 also consisted of Japans conquering of Asia, by the time ww2 even started japan had overtaken taiwan and korea and was busy fighting china...and lets not forget why japan had an imperial army to begin with..(do you recall american vessels entering japanese harbours 100 years earlier demanding they milliterize and trade with them.)...The arch duke assasination is a copout. their were many reasons for the war, some were justified and many werent. After all the smoke cleared it made a better world for many.

[D@N]

[quote="Canada_rocks"] Quote: [you do know how WW1 was started did you?
It was a stupid and pointless war fought in the dying breath by Europe's monarchs of old. /quote]

What does that have to do with anything. It was still canadas responsibility to help.



Quote: WW2 was different because it was only Hitler and Mussolini that were trying to spread fascism and oppress other countries. With WW1, it was simply a mater of peace accords and treaties that fell like domino's. The whole war started because A Austro-Hungarian prince was assassinated in Serbia, Does that sound like a good cause for 20 million deaths?

Accually WW2 started becasue the allies stripped Germany of all power and millitary and money, the germans thought they got a raw deal and were quite angry. The great depression took a toll on germany and they needed to recoupe their losses. Dont forget ww2 also consisted of Japans conquering of Asia, by the time ww2 even started japan had overtaken taiwan and korea and was busy fighting china...and lets not forget why japan had an imperial army to begin with..(do you recall american vessels entering japanese harbours 100 years earlier demanding they milliterize and trade with them.)...The arch duke assasination is a copout. their were many reasons for the war, some were justified and many werent. After all the smoke cleared it made a better world for many.

I meant its WW1's reason, I totally agree with WW2 because of the reasons you mentioned and more. I just think a lot of Canadians lost their life unnecessarily in WW1. Granted, they wanted to, but the war was stupid, they were doing it out of patriotism more then knowledge. And in the end there was nothing gained.

[Canada_Rocks]

War is always stupid.

[Canada_Rocks]

War is always stupid. Its the same as a drunkin' bar fight..and usually started for similar reasons...but with millions of deaths.

[D@N]

Canada_rocks wrote: War is always stupid. Its the same as a drunkin' bar fight..and usually started for similar reasons...but with millions of deaths.

at least our civil war was only a drunken bar fight and not anything more :lol:

[timmtc]

Is war stupid when it is the only thing that will stop the genocide of 6 million jews?

[D@N]

timmtc wrote: Is war stupid when it is the only thing that will stop the genocide of 6 million jews?

there are exceptions always, I believe the question is, WHEN does one make the choice to sacrifice lives in order to save others, which is where we get so divided.