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desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

mama

<<(though someone should really tell that to China)>>>

somebody should teach mama.

that compared that GW bush as a terrorists, Osama can look like an angel. June 2005, Iran?

Locke_ · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 494 Location: Colombus, Ohio

Pimpkie_69 wrote: Quote: I honestly doubt that it will be India. They have over 40 million people living in poverty, still adhere to traditional caste...and most folks still dig a hole in the backyard to share a community bath. err...that's if they take one.

There's a helluva lot more than 40 million people living in poverty in India..try like over 1 billion.

Anyway, I can't forsee anymore imperialism in the future of the world...alliances and buildup of power in nations, yes, but imperialism and colonialism are mostly things of the past (though someone should really tell that to China).

The superpowers in 2050 will most likely be America, China, India, and the EU. Russia and Japan will diminish in importance, but still be the next most powerful. As for any other growing powers...hmmm Indonesia maybe, they have over 250 million people don't they. And Brazil & Mexico are growing fast too.

So they are all poor?

desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

india's strength is that they have an excellent educational system and excellent English. India's weakness is that they love quarreling and democracy.

thundertaker · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:08 am Post subject:

desaview wrote: india's strength is that they have an excellent educational system and excellent English. India's weakness is that they love quarreling and democracy.

Hate to piss on your love of the neatness and order of authoritarianism desaview, but in case you hadn't noticed, the most prosperous and powerful countries in the world, especially the USA, happen to be democracies......

desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

thundertaker wrote: desaview wrote: india's strength is that they have an excellent educational system and excellent English. India's weakness is that they love quarreling and democracy.

Hate to piss on your love of the neatness and order of authoritarianism desaview, but in case you hadn't noticed, the most prosperous and powerful countries in the world, especially the USA, happen to be democracies......

yes, but successful democracies are mature societies and mature economies first. then , they can have democracies because it really does not matter even if the govt is inefficient and always quarrelling.

desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

The economies of both Japan and Taiwan were built on authoritarian one party regimes. The moment the power of the LDP in Japan and KMT in Taiwan were challenged since the early 90s, their economies have got stuck.

thundertaker · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject:

desaview wrote: thundertaker wrote: desaview wrote: india's strength is that they have an excellent educational system and excellent English. India's weakness is that they love quarreling and democracy.

Hate to piss on your love of the neatness and order of authoritarianism desaview, but in case you hadn't noticed, the most prosperous and powerful countries in the world, especially the USA, happen to be democracies......

yes, but successful democracies are mature societies and mature economies first. then , they can have democracies because it really does not matter even if the govt is inefficient and always quarrelling.

Britain and america both became superpowers despite having multiparty government, totally surpassing absolutist regimes like Tsarist Russia and later, Communist Russia. Democracy forbids politcians to become complacent about driving the economy into the ground, because they know if they screw up badly enough, the electorate will do them out of a job.....

desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

Democracy forbids politcians to become complacent about driving the economy into the ground, because they know if they screw up badly enough, the electorate will do them out of a job.....>>>>>>

oh really? since Bush will not be President come 2009, does it mean he can do any thing?

eynon · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:05 pm Post subject:

desaview wrote: Democracy forbids politcians to become complacent about driving the economy into the ground, because they know if they screw up badly enough, the electorate will do them out of a job.....>>>>>>

oh really? since Bush will not be President come 2009, does it mean he can do any thing?

em....no.....do you even know how a democratic system of goverment works? :-|

thundertaker · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:21 pm Post subject:

Congress is also democratically elected, and they're responsible for passing legislation, so even though he doesn't have to worry about elections anymore, he can't just do as he want.....

slim · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 16 Location: North Kent, England

Its a difficult thing to judge. Its not just about population sizes. Its about the will for a country to invade others. Ths includes financial stability, morale and strong political belief in the government.

Proof that the population size doesnt matter is the British Empire.

I would say that China will become the next superpower but whether they have the will and society for conquest is another matter. Many people are farmers, what concern would they have for international politics when they are scraping a living. The people in the cities would have no desire for conquest as they are prospering in business. Hopefully the people will not change their ideas e.g. in the case of a foreign aggressor to trigger off chinese nationalism.

India is an interesting possibility that i would not rule out. The nation has not been independent for a century yet. The politics in the country seems rather dangerous. Kashmir could be a trigger for conquest. I hope not.

My personal bet is on a middle eastern alliance. There is only so long that the U.S. invaders can keep hold of their dominance in the middle east. If they lift sanctions and give total control to the people then there is little reason why the middle eastern states would accept this from a now equal country.

desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

Eynon81 wrote: desaview wrote: Democracy forbids politcians to become complacent about driving the economy into the ground, because they know if they screw up badly enough, the electorate will do them out of a job.....>>>>>>

oh really? since Bush will not be President come 2009, does it mean he can do any thing?

em....no.....do you even know how a democratic system of goverment works? :-|

I am pointing out the fallacy of the other guy's argument. In the modern world, some leaders may be blinded by greed or fear. But not by evil just for evil sake. Like all those arguments painting Saddam as an evil man or evil nations only sells to the ignorant masses. I was surprised mainstream America bought the arguments.

Whether CCP has a rival or not, CCP is make up of 60 million members and CCP has its own history and control structure. It is today in what is known as post totalitarian phase where consensus building is very important.

trillium · Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 6 Location: US

American Caesar's FALCONIST party proposal is more frightening than the scenario set forth in Stephan Zimmermann's THE CHRISTMAS STRIKE ! ( http://www.lulu.com/sonja

chopin1810 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 146

Alexander The Great wrote: Who do you think is the next Empire to come?

I'd say it's India.
India mightn't be the best place to live in, but they definitely start to gain power.
Good that they're peacefull country ( not including Pakistan ).
Let's hope they'll win.

One word: China.

They're growing 3 times faster than the United States, some of that because of the geniuses in the US sending their jobs over there for cheap labor.

desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

chopin1810 wrote: Alexander The Great wrote: Who do you think is the next Empire to come?

I'd say it's India.
India mightn't be the best place to live in, but they definitely start to gain power.
Good that they're peacefull country ( not including Pakistan ).
Let's hope they'll win.

One word: China.

They're growing 3 times faster than the United States, some of that because of the geniuses in the US sending their jobs over there for cheap labor.

then you have to define what u mean by empire wouldnt we.?

Alexander The Great · Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:50 am Post subject: Re: The New Empire To Come

desaview wrote: chopin1810 wrote: Alexander The Great wrote: Who do you think is the next Empire to come?

I'd say it's India.
India mightn't be the best place to live in, but they definitely start to gain power.
Good that they're peacefull country ( not including Pakistan ).
Let's hope they'll win.

One word: China.

They're growing 3 times faster than the United States, some of that because of the geniuses in the US sending their jobs over there for cheap labor.

then you have to define what u mean by empire wouldnt we.?

The strongest country.

Right now it's the USA.

Canada_Rocks · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 9012 Location: Vancouver

sorry the strongest country is not the USA. The united states isnt even in the top five of most indexes involving rights, healthcare, education...etc etc etc...

The next great empire will be china....sorry...chinas always been a great empire...but it will soon take the lead.

smirnoff · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 3514

China and the EU ... the next cold war perhaps :think:

That bieng said I am not ruling out a comeback from either the USA or Russia ... I think India is too poor though ...

smirnoff · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 3514

American Ceasar wrote: We would clean up America's backyard first and rebuild America as well as her current positions in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Haiti before we take on liberating and rebuilding the rest of the world. Also, the new laws and programs we would implement may diminish the feelings people here have at home against the USA.

Looks like you need a new leader ...

desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

Canada_rocks wrote: sorry the strongest country is not the USA. The united states isnt even in the top five of most indexes involving rights, healthcare, education...etc etc etc...

The next great empire will be china....sorry...chinas always been a great empire...but it will soon take the lead.

china took time off in the last 250 years but are coming back :lol: :lol: