Political Crossfire Forums

[desaview]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/30/content_429336.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4386787.stm

From the China Daily (The Official Chinese Media Paper), to the Whitehouse & people around the world are highly praising this visit by the KMT's V.C.

KMT is taking the 1st step towards a peaceful solution over the issue of Taiwan - China. It also reflects DPP's policy towards this issue --- DOING NOTHING but keep on talking trash.

DPP & ChenSB and all the pro independence activists in America and Japan, your dates are limited, starting from now~!

The new Anti Secession Act is the jolt that is needed.
Now , who says the CCP is not wise to pass the Act?

[Lord Hargreaves]

What are you talking about? :shock:

[desaview]

Lord Hargreaves wrote: What are you talking about? :shock:

nothing except as per the title.

[Lord Hargreaves]

Surely unification should only take place if the Taiwanese people agree?

[desaview]

Lord Hargreaves wrote: Surely unification should only take place if the Taiwanese people agree?

Mainstrean Taiwan is today strongly anti secessionists. The only ones pro independence are those Japanese decendents like ex Premier Lee Teng Hui and islanders. Politics in Taiwan is complicated as there are three strong parties. But unification will not be more than 10 years away. Taiwan will benefit tremendously after unification without war..

[Lord Hargreaves]

Some polls i have seen in Taiwan suggest that most people favour the status quo, and other polling showing that people increasingly feel more "Taiwanese" than "Chinese" leads me to think that people don't want independence because it will annoy and provoke China rather than any great "anti-sessionist" feeling

[desaview]

Lord Hargreaves wrote: Some polls i have seen in Taiwan suggest that most people favour the status quo, and other polling showing that people increasingly feel more "Taiwanese" than "Chinese" leads me to think that people don't want independence because it will annoy and provoke China rather than any great "anti-sessionist" feeling

you may be right.....but the gold rush for unification has started in the last few weeks. Stan hsih of Acer and other industrialists have jumped ship to the China ship. KMT Vice Chairman visit to China last week is very popular in China. KMT Chairman is accepted invitation to visit China.

China even invited Chen of DPP and James Soong to talk.... Things are moving very fast. Like I say, finally money talks.

Taiwan has 70,000 factories in China. At any moment 500,000 Taiwanese are doing business in China. Taiwanese are beginning to complain they cannot be desinicised by the DPP. There are having cultural and identity crisis.

[trentboo]

Indeed Taiwan is an independent country

Doesn't matter about the national identity! Their ancestors are Chinese so what??

Japanese's ancestor is Chinese
Korean's ancestor is Chinese
Vietnamese's ancestor is Chinese

Are they part of China? no

60% Canadian from Britich
A lot of Americans from British
Are they part of England?? no
Canadian will say they are Canadian. American will say they are American, but not English.

People suspects why Taiwan not just hold referendom for independency

It's becasue China will start their military action towards Taiwan. Taiwan does not want to cause war

Quebec can hold independent referendom, why not Taiwan?? Because Canada is a democretic country and Canada allow. On the other hand, China is very forceful that they think Taiwan is part of China. If that is true, PRC(China) should be part of Taiwan(ROC) because the whole China was ruled by ROC before, but Chairman Mao took illegal revoluation and took over whole China. Such that, if China wants unification, then China should give authority back to ROC(Taiwan) government.

Anyways, Taiwanese government is reluctant to rule over the whole China again like 60 year before.
What they want is seeking independence and end the hostility.

Also, after 1945, Japanese gave Taiwan back to China. That time, it was still ROC that rule the whole China, but not PRC, so Taiwan is always part of ROC for now , not PRC.

[desaview]

trentboo wrote: Indeed Taiwan is an independent country

Doesn't matter about the national identity! Their ancestors are Chinese so what??

Japanese's ancestor is Chinese
Korean's ancestor is Chinese
Vietnamese's ancestor is Chinese

Are they part of China? no

60% Canadian from Britich
A lot of Americans from British
Are they part of England?? no
Canadian will say they are Canadian. American will say they are American, but not English.

People suspects why Taiwan not just hold referendom for independency

It's becasue China will start their military action towards Taiwan. Taiwan does not want to cause war

Quebec can hold independent referendom, why not Taiwan?? Because Canada is a democretic country and Canada allow. On the other hand, China is very forceful that they think Taiwan is part of China. If that is true, PRC(China) should be part of Taiwan(ROC) because the whole China was ruled by ROC before, but Chairman Mao took illegal revoluation and took over whole China. Such that, if China wants unification, then China should give authority back to ROC(Taiwan) government.

Anyways, Taiwanese government is reluctant to rule over the whole China again like 60 year before.
What they want is seeking independence and end the hostility.

Also, after 1945, Japanese gave Taiwan back to China. That time, it was still ROC that rule the whole China, but not PRC, so Taiwan is always part of ROC for now , not PRC.

no need to talk....Taiwanese will soon be voting and will vote with their wallet....how long more will Taiwanese hold up before Taiwanese demand reunification????Look at KMT and PFP and all the industrialists. What do they want? DPP is already isolated. Stolen properties will forever be stolen properties .It cannot be whitewashed.

[eynon]

desaview wrote: trentboo wrote: Indeed Taiwan is an independent country

Doesn't matter about the national identity! Their ancestors are Chinese so what??

Japanese's ancestor is Chinese
Korean's ancestor is Chinese
Vietnamese's ancestor is Chinese

Are they part of China? no

60% Canadian from Britich
A lot of Americans from British
Are they part of England?? no
Canadian will say they are Canadian. American will say they are American, but not English.

People suspects why Taiwan not just hold referendom for independency

It's becasue China will start their military action towards Taiwan. Taiwan does not want to cause war

Quebec can hold independent referendom, why not Taiwan?? Because Canada is a democretic country and Canada allow. On the other hand, China is very forceful that they think Taiwan is part of China. If that is true, PRC(China) should be part of Taiwan(ROC) because the whole China was ruled by ROC before, but Chairman Mao took illegal revoluation and took over whole China. Such that, if China wants unification, then China should give authority back to ROC(Taiwan) government.

Anyways, Taiwanese government is reluctant to rule over the whole China again like 60 year before.
What they want is seeking independence and end the hostility.

Also, after 1945, Japanese gave Taiwan back to China. That time, it was still ROC that rule the whole China, but not PRC, so Taiwan is always part of ROC for now , not PRC.

no need to talk....Taiwanese will soon be voting and will vote with their wallet....how long more will Taiwanese hold up before Taiwanese demand reunification????Look at KMT and PFP and all the industrialists. What do they want? DPP is already isolated. Stolen properties will forever be stolen properties .It cannot be whitewashed.

yeah, we'll see....I think we can all agree that we want to see the will of the Taiwanese people done.

[desaview]

yeah, we'll see....I think we can all agree that we want to see the will of the Taiwanese people done.>>>>>>>>>>>>

right and the will of 1.3 billion people.

[Canada_Rocks]

Taiwan Vs Chna would be like Iraq Vs America...enough said

[eynon]

desaview wrote: yeah, we'll see....I think we can all agree that we want to see the will of the Taiwanese people done.>>>>>>>>>>>>

right and the will of 1.3 billion people.

that sums up the conflict right there....I don't care about the main-land's opinion, the only one's that matter are Taiwanese.

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: yeah, we'll see....I think we can all agree that we want to see the will of the Taiwanese people done.
That's what will happen. China doesn't have the military capability to do anything about it.

[Canada_Rocks]

HUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! china doesnt have the millitary capbility to do anything about it?

[desaview]

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: yeah, we'll see....I think we can all agree that we want to see the will of the Taiwanese people done.
That's what will happen. China doesn't have the military capability to do anything about it.

every chinese on the mainland wants to see reunification but no chinese wants to see chinese killing chinese (in Taiwan) in another civil war. now it is up to Taiwan leaders not to push too far.

[Canada_Rocks]

Accually I think every chinese on the mainland wants to EAT... But yeah, unifacation is also good.

[Hawkins]

trentboo wrote: Indeed Taiwan is an independent country
Korean's ancestor is Chinese


Korean's ancestor is Mongolian.

I hope that the unification will come naturally when China goes democracy.

[Canada_Rocks]

Korean's ancestor is chinese.

"In 1122 BC, a kingdom called Gija Joseon was established when a Chinese exile Jizi (Gija) led 5,000 followers to the mountainous peninsula and founded the kingdom by merging with existent populations"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Korea

China will go democratic?..has china ever been democratic..I odnt really know, but if my memory serves me correctly it hasnt.

[eynon]

Canada_rocks wrote: HUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! china doesnt have the millitary capbility to do anything about it?

You need a navy to invade an island....