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desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

From my reading of this and other forums, I come away with the conclusion that Americans in large part distrust central governments. The smaller the better. Some may even hate strong central govt except perhaps for defence and military.

Let me make it clear that in China, the number one fear of every one is a weak central government. Whenever the center is weak, the country (China ) goes into pieces accompanied by chaos and bullying by local tyrants. Chinese can live peacefully only when the central government is strong.

This is only one aspect of what I call East is East and West is West. It is no wonder that Americans will forever criticise China to no end because China and America are at two ends of the spectrum.

Let me make it clear that Americans should not criticise others just because others are not like you. Americans never make an effort to understand others and do not make any effort to understand the complexities of the world. That is why, your country will also not be liked as long as Americans keep putting your noses in others affairs w/o even trying to understand others.

Pimpkie_69 · Joined: 29 Jan 2005 Posts: 2022 Location: Toronto

Propaganda can make people think crazy things. Chinese people may THINK they want a totalitarian state, but if they read George Orwell's 1984, or just stuck their head out of Mao's ass for a second they would realize how much they are usurping their own freedom.

And America hardly has a weak central government. Maybe the reason that places like Taiwan and Tibet want to not be part of China is that China is an oppressive nation that doesn't give a sh*t about human rights. No part of America WANTS to seperate, you must understand.

Places like Puerto Rico even want to join.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Quote: I come away with the conclusion that Americans in large part distrust central governments. The smaller the better. Some may even hate strong central govt except perhaps for defence and military.
I would say that this is true. It's the All-American viewpoint. It's the basis of the Constitution. It's the American way.

desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

Pimpkie_69 wrote: Propaganda can make people think crazy things. Chinese people may THINK they want a totalitarian state, but if they read George Orwell's 1984, or just stuck their head out of Mao's ass for a second they would realize how much they are usurping their own freedom.

And America hardly has a weak central government. Maybe the reason that places like Taiwan and Tibet want to not be part of China is that China is an oppressive nation that doesn't give a sh*t about human rights. No part of America WANTS to seperate, you must understand.

Places like Puerto Rico even want to join.

Who does not want to join the rich? And if China is a truly effective totalitarian govt, things would have been better. Things are not as good as it could because of inertia. It is difficult for the central govt to get things done at the provinces. China needs to be more totalitarian not less.

Kindred · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject:

Pimpkie_69 wrote: Propaganda can make people think crazy things. Chinese people may THINK they want a totalitarian state, but if they read George Orwell's 1984, or just stuck their head out of Mao's ass for a second they would realize how much they are usurping their own freedom.

Very patronizing and naive. The Chinese could just as easily claim that Americans THINK they need limited government, but what they really want is totalitarianism.

desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

A.D wrote: Pimpkie_69 wrote: Propaganda can make people think crazy things. Chinese people may THINK they want a totalitarian state, but if they read George Orwell's 1984, or just stuck their head out of Mao's ass for a second they would realize how much they are usurping their own freedom.

Very patronizing and naive. The Chinese could just as easily claim that Americans THINK they need limited government, but what they really want is totalitarianism.

ad,

both USA and aussies are nations of immigrants and yet speaks so different. Aussies can speak with enough nuances that it is difficult to be angry with aussies but so easy to be angry with or even send planes to USA . why is that so? is it due to the asian influence of the middle way or is it aussie do not carry the disease of being the world sole super power?

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

A.D wrote: Pimpkie_69 wrote: Propaganda can make people think crazy things. Chinese people may THINK they want a totalitarian state, but if they read George Orwell's 1984, or just stuck their head out of Mao's ass for a second they would realize how much they are usurping their own freedom.

Very patronizing and naive. The Chinese could just as easily claim that Americans THINK they need limited government, but what they really want is totalitarianism.

How can a limited governemnt be totalitarian? That makes no sense.

Canada_Rocks · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 9012 Location: Vancouver

pimpkie, Funny you should bring up Propaganda,
America spouts out more propaganda than the nazes and it's people believe it more than libs believe Michel Moore.

The fact is.....America want it's people to believe other nations are horrible places to live. They want to install "democracy" just like they installed Sadam. They want to alienate Cuba for fun, and they want to Kill off all oposition to their best bud Israel. They "player hate" china, soley becasue china holds their future over them, along with trillions in debt, and they want to protect Taiwan, to make up for the fact they couldnt protect vietnam,,,
They want to keep the wars going so the dust doesnt settle. They want you to believe that america is number one, when it doesnt even reach in the top ten of the most important social issues.
It wants to smoke screen you with Terri while it kills children in iraq, and they use their Christian Basis to hate monger on the mid east and crush freedom like Gay marriage.
Sorry I generalized alot and its hearsay, but I get my point across and it is to the point.

desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

The fact is.....America want it's people to believe other nations are horrible places to live.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

yes and the only reason I can think of for continueing those cold war mentality must be those arms dealers in Washington with their dirty tricks.

eynon · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:09 am Post subject:

desaview wrote: A.D wrote: Pimpkie_69 wrote: Propaganda can make people think crazy things. Chinese people may THINK they want a totalitarian state, but if they read George Orwell's 1984, or just stuck their head out of Mao's ass for a second they would realize how much they are usurping their own freedom.

Very patronizing and naive. The Chinese could just as easily claim that Americans THINK they need limited government, but what they really want is totalitarianism.

ad,

both USA and aussies are nations of immigrants and yet speaks so different. Aussies can speak with enough nuances that it is difficult to be angry with aussies but so easy to be angry with or even send planes to USA . why is that so? is it due to the asian influence of the middle way or is it aussie do not carry the disease of being the world sole super power?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you never met Goldave...hey where'd he go anyway?

hey desa, what the hell is up with your hatred of Americans anyway? I mean you're the most rabid anti-american Chinese person I've ever met, and I've met a lot of angry taxi-drivers.

Nico · Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 10180

Eynon81 wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you never met Goldave...hey where'd he go anyway?

He got suspended, then came back as about 2 different people. I'm sure he's back again, but I won't say who, 'cause I'm not 100% convinced :lol:

desaview · Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1336

Eynon81 wrote: desaview wrote: A.D wrote: Pimpkie_69 wrote: Propaganda can make people think crazy things. Chinese people may THINK they want a totalitarian state, but if they read George Orwell's 1984, or just stuck their head out of Mao's ass for a second they would realize how much they are usurping their own freedom.

Very patronizing and naive. The Chinese could just as easily claim that Americans THINK they need limited government, but what they really want is totalitarianism.

ad,

both USA and aussies are nations of immigrants and yet speaks so different. Aussies can speak with enough nuances that it is difficult to be angry with aussies but so easy to be angry with or even send planes to USA . why is that so? is it due to the asian influence of the middle way or is it aussie do not carry the disease of being the world sole super power?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you never met Goldave...hey where'd he go anyway?

hey desa, what the hell is up with your hatred of Americans anyway? I mean you're the most rabid anti-american Chinese person I've ever met, and I've met a lot of angry taxi-drivers.

have u forgotten I am from a muslim country. every Iraqi killed is a blackmark against America here. many here believe the figure is approaching 300,000 already. :cry:

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

desaview wrote: From my reading of this and other forums, I come away with the conclusion that Americans in large part distrust central governments. The smaller the better. Some may even hate strong central govt except perhaps for defence and military.

Let me make it clear that in China, the number one fear of every one is a weak central government. Whenever the center is weak, the country (China ) goes into pieces accompanied by chaos and bullying by local tyrants. Chinese can live peacefully only when the central government is strong.

This is only one aspect of what I call East is East and West is West. It is no wonder that Americans will forever criticise China to no end because China and America are at two ends of the spectrum.

Let me make it clear that Americans should not criticise others just because others are not like you. Americans never make an effort to understand others and do not make any effort to understand the complexities of the world. That is why, your country will also not be liked as long as Americans keep putting your noses in others affairs w/o even trying to understand others.

:clap:

Live and let live ladies and gentlemen.

Kindred · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote: A.D wrote: Pimpkie_69 wrote: Propaganda can make people think crazy things. Chinese people may THINK they want a totalitarian state, but if they read George Orwell's 1984, or just stuck their head out of Mao's ass for a second they would realize how much they are usurping their own freedom.

Very patronizing and naive. The Chinese could just as easily claim that Americans THINK they need limited government, but what they really want is totalitarianism.

How can a limited governemnt be totalitarian? That makes no sense.

What? You misread my post. Pimpkie quite patronizingly asserted that though Chinese people think they want authoritarian system, they actually want limited government. My statement was simply the reversal of that.

Kindred · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:28 pm Post subject:

The point being, don't tell other people what they want. If someone wished to live under authoritarian rule, they should be able to.

MasterChefD · Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 235

A.D wrote: The point being, don't tell other people what they want. If someone wished to live under authoritarian rule, they should be able to. YES. Why is that so hard to understand?

eynon · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:04 am Post subject:

desaview wrote: Eynon81 wrote: desaview wrote: A.D wrote: Pimpkie_69 wrote: Propaganda can make people think crazy things. Chinese people may THINK they want a totalitarian state, but if they read George Orwell's 1984, or just stuck their head out of Mao's ass for a second they would realize how much they are usurping their own freedom.

Very patronizing and naive. The Chinese could just as easily claim that Americans THINK they need limited government, but what they really want is totalitarianism.

ad,

both USA and aussies are nations of immigrants and yet speaks so different. Aussies can speak with enough nuances that it is difficult to be angry with aussies but so easy to be angry with or even send planes to USA . why is that so? is it due to the asian influence of the middle way or is it aussie do not carry the disease of being the world sole super power?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you never met Goldave...hey where'd he go anyway?

hey desa, what the hell is up with your hatred of Americans anyway? I mean you're the most rabid anti-american Chinese person I've ever met, and I've met a lot of angry taxi-drivers.

have u forgotten I am from a muslim country. every Iraqi killed is a blackmark against America here. many here believe the figure is approaching 300,000 already. :cry:

Oh yeah! it makes sense now......

eynon · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:10 am Post subject:

Canada_rocks wrote: pimpkie, Funny you should bring up Propaganda,
America spouts out more propaganda than the nazes and it's people believe it more than libs believe Michel Moore.

The fact is.....America want it's people to believe other nations are horrible places to live. They want to install "democracy" just like they installed Sadam. They want to alienate Cuba for fun, and they want to Kill off all oposition to their best bud Israel. They "player hate" china, soley becasue china holds their future over them, along with trillions in debt, and they want to protect Taiwan, to make up for the fact they couldnt protect vietnam,,,
They want to keep the wars going so the dust doesnt settle. They want you to believe that america is number one, when it doesnt even reach in the top ten of the most important social issues.
It wants to smoke screen you with Terri while it kills children in iraq, and they use their Christian Basis to hate monger on the mid east and crush freedom like Gay marriage.
Sorry I generalized alot and its hearsay, but I get my point across and it is to the point.

:lol: You got our number......but look at all the good things the US has done like breed the labrador retr....oh wait, you guys did that.....em well how about the Newfie....s**t, you guys did that too. Well, I'm at a loss here :?

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Eynon81 wrote: desaview wrote: Eynon81 wrote: desaview wrote: A.D wrote: Pimpkie_69 wrote: Propaganda can make people think crazy things. Chinese people may THINK they want a totalitarian state, but if they read George Orwell's 1984, or just stuck their head out of Mao's ass for a second they would realize how much they are usurping their own freedom.

Very patronizing and naive. The Chinese could just as easily claim that Americans THINK they need limited government, but what they really want is totalitarianism.

ad,

both USA and aussies are nations of immigrants and yet speaks so different. Aussies can speak with enough nuances that it is difficult to be angry with aussies but so easy to be angry with or even send planes to USA . why is that so? is it due to the asian influence of the middle way or is it aussie do not carry the disease of being the world sole super power?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you never met Goldave...hey where'd he go anyway?

hey desa, what the hell is up with your hatred of Americans anyway? I mean you're the most rabid anti-american Chinese person I've ever met, and I've met a lot of angry taxi-drivers.

have u forgotten I am from a muslim country. every Iraqi killed is a blackmark against America here. many here believe the figure is approaching 300,000 already. :cry:

Oh yeah! it makes sense now......

It does make more sense now.

eynon · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:22 am Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote: Eynon81 wrote: desaview wrote: Eynon81 wrote: desaview wrote: A.D wrote: Pimpkie_69 wrote: Propaganda can make people think crazy things. Chinese people may THINK they want a totalitarian state, but if they read George Orwell's 1984, or just stuck their head out of Mao's ass for a second they would realize how much they are usurping their own freedom.

Very patronizing and naive. The Chinese could just as easily claim that Americans THINK they need limited government, but what they really want is totalitarianism.

ad,

both USA and aussies are nations of immigrants and yet speaks so different. Aussies can speak with enough nuances that it is difficult to be angry with aussies but so easy to be angry with or even send planes to USA . why is that so? is it due to the asian influence of the middle way or is it aussie do not carry the disease of being the world sole super power?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you never met Goldave...hey where'd he go anyway?

hey desa, what the hell is up with your hatred of Americans anyway? I mean you're the most rabid anti-american Chinese person I've ever met, and I've met a lot of angry taxi-drivers.

have u forgotten I am from a muslim country. every Iraqi killed is a blackmark against America here. many here believe the figure is approaching 300,000 already. :cry:

Oh yeah! it makes sense now......

It does make more sense now.

thing is desa blows of the tens of millions killed my the CCP because he feels it was the only way China could be stabilized. Yet on the other hand he reams us for the deaths we caused in Iraq.....far, far fewer in number and all for the same cause of "stabilization".

I don't buy any of that "stabilization" horse s**t, niether ours in Iraq or the CCP's in China. The slaughter of innocent people has never lead to "stabilization".

But I do find desa's statements interesting.....it's always easy to hate when it conviently fits your world view huh?

s**t I know it's easier for me :wink: