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[desaview]

Danpt2000 wrote: It seems that Taiwanese people don't want war with the mainlanders. I don't blame them. .... But I think they might want to see further reforms in China's bureaucracy and economic policies before even considering total unification. Or, why not a similar arrangement to what was done with Hong Kong? A Special Administration Region....

Deng has offered one country two systems. It is on the table. Does this means reunification soon? Stan Shih and Hsu and most industralists have jumped ship and are firmly in reunification camp.


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-04/03/content_430574.htm

[cap'n queasy]

I would say the ball is in Taiwan's court.

[cap'n queasy]

All I know is that China's military is incapable of the major amphibious operation that it will require to succesfully invade and take Taiwan.
It will take an operation on the scale of D-day, which is unique in history.

[eynon]

desaview wrote: Eynon81 wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: he's the only real Chinese person on this forum
Ah, the irony. I think some of the other guys that claim to be Chinese are merely "employees".

:lol: :lol: oh that is funny....

eynon, would you pick up your army boots to defend Taiwan?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-04/03/content_430574.htm

sure would.....I'd kill for it (big thing considering I would have many close friends on the other side), and if I died for it(shrug)...well there are worse things to die for...no?

would you let your children fight an die to expand the CCP?

[eynon]

cap'n queasy wrote: All I know is that China's military is incapable of the major amphibious operation that it will require to succesfully invade and take Taiwan.
It will take an operation on the scale of D-day, which is unique in history.

dead on Cap...as per normal :-D

[desaview]

Eynon81 wrote: desaview wrote: Eynon81 wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: he's the only real Chinese person on this forum
Ah, the irony. I think some of the other guys that claim to be Chinese are merely "employees".

:lol: :lol: oh that is funny....

eynon, would you pick up your army boots to defend Taiwan?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-04/03/content_430574.htm

sure would.....I'd kill for it (big thing considering I would have many close friends on the other side), and if I died for it(shrug)...well there are worse things to die for...no?

would you let your children fight an die to expand the CCP?

but Stan Shih of Acer and all the other industrialists have jumped ship. The lost son will go back to its natural mother w/o a shot fired. Two reasons, Taiwan' economy s already linked at the umbilical chord with China's but more importantly GW BUsh have shown every one that American style democracy isnt worth that much after all. :lol: :lol: The reputation of America isnt what is used to be anymore.

[eynon]

desaview wrote: Eynon81 wrote: desaview wrote: Eynon81 wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: he's the only real Chinese person on this forum
Ah, the irony. I think some of the other guys that claim to be Chinese are merely "employees".

:lol: :lol: oh that is funny....

eynon, would you pick up your army boots to defend Taiwan?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-04/03/content_430574.htm

sure would.....I'd kill for it (big thing considering I would have many close friends on the other side), and if I died for it(shrug)...well there are worse things to die for...no?

would you let your children fight an die to expand the CCP?

but Stan Shih of Acer and all the other industrialists have jumped ship. The lost son will go back to its natural mother w/o a shot fired. Two reasons, Taiwan' economy s already linked at the umbilical chord with China's but more importantly GW BUsh have shown every one that American style democracy isnt worth that much after all. :lol: :lol: The reputation of America isnt what is used to be anymore.

well, Taiwan doesn't have an American style democracy. And quite frankly I don't give a rat-ass how many Taiwanese industrialists jump-ship...it the PRC attacks Taiwan I'm joining up.

If the Taiwanese people vote to rejoin the mainland, then I won't do s**t....because it's there choice....let me repeat that....IT'S THEIR CHOICE!!!!! Not Beijing's, not Washington, THEIRS!!!!

But I'll repeat my question, would you let your children join the PLA to "liberate" Taiwan? I answered your question.....


by the way your little thing about the "Son rejoining the Mother" that's real cute...did you think that up your self or did you read that in a fortune cookie?

here lets see if I can do one..(clears throat)....The good mother dragon will know what is best for her children, and let them be free...or how about this....the wise old tiger does not clutch his children to his breast and smother them.

btw....since Britian is the mother of HK, shouldn't they have it back...by your logic of course :wink:

[TwinkieDP]

Eynon81 wrote: well, Taiwan doesn't have an American style democracy. And quite frankly I don't give a rat-ass how many Taiwanese industrialists jump-ship...it the PRC attacks Taiwan I'm joining up.

If the Taiwanese people vote to rejoin the mainland, then I won't do s**t....because it's there choice....let me repeat that....IT'S THEIR CHOICE!!!!! Not Beijing's, not Washington, THEIRS!!!!

Wow, Eynon you are genuine champion of Freedom and Democracy. :roll:

[eynon]

Danpt2000 wrote: Eynon81 wrote: well, Taiwan doesn't have an American style democracy. And quite frankly I don't give a rat-ass how many Taiwanese industrialists jump-ship...it the PRC attacks Taiwan I'm joining up.

If the Taiwanese people vote to rejoin the mainland, then I won't do s**t....because it's there choice....let me repeat that....IT'S THEIR CHOICE!!!!! Not Beijing's, not Washington, THEIRS!!!!

Wow, Eynon you are genuine champion of Freedom and Democracy. :roll:

:lol: champion? no, but they let me warm the bench sometimes....mostly I'm just a loud drunk wanker who occassionally says something apt :wink:

[TwinkieDP]

:lol: Wanker, theres that name again. No, I'm not calling you a wanker, my previous posts about Wankerism was done out of ignorance of the pain that it could cause.

[cap'n queasy]

Eynon81 wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: All I know is that China's military is incapable of the major amphibious operation that it will require to succesfully invade and take Taiwan.
It will take an operation on the scale of D-day, which is unique in history.

dead on Cap...as per normal :-D

:wink: Perhaps. Perhaps not. :lol:

Who can say, really.

[desaview]

<<<<f the Taiwanese people vote to rejoin the mainland, then I won't do s**t....because it's there choice....let me repeat that....IT'S THEIR CHOICE!!!!! Not Beijing's, not Washington, THEIRS!!!! >>>

if everyone agrees on that, how come US media only reports one side of the story.? only painting China as the big bad bully. Did US media report on the full range of complexities in Taiwan? That half of Taiwanese are against any move towards independence? That Chen SB is not as popular as people in America thinks. ? That a majority of Taiwanese are against the proposed $17 billion weapons purchase, that they were huge demonstartions against it and that the Taiwanese parliament turned down the arms purchase. That the referendum on independence failed for lack of response? Why the one sided reporting in USA?

[Nico]

Eynon81 wrote:

:lol: champion? no, but they let me warm the bench sometimes....mostly I'm just a loud drunk wanker who occassionally says something apt :wink:

So that would make you different to 90% of the rest of us, how? :wink:

[eynon]

Danpt2000 wrote: :lol: Wanker, theres that name again. No, I'm not calling you a wanker, my previous posts about Wankerism was done out of ignorance of the pain that it could cause.

no, no...look at my title....I'm calling ME a wanker, it's only accurate :-D

[eynon]

desaview wrote: <<<<f the Taiwanese people vote to rejoin the mainland, then I won't do s**t....because it's there choice....let me repeat that....IT'S THEIR CHOICE!!!!! Not Beijing's, not Washington, THEIRS!!!! >>>

if everyone agrees on that, how come US media only reports one side of the story.? only painting China as the big bad bully. Did US media report on the full range of complexities in Taiwan? That half of Taiwanese are against any move towards independence? That Chen SB is not as popular as people in America thinks. ? That a majority of Taiwanese are against the proposed $17 billion weapons purchase, that they were huge demonstartions against it and that the Taiwanese parliament turned down the arms purchase. That the referendum on independence failed for lack of response? Why the one sided reporting in USA?

:lol: yeah, and Xinhua is fair and balanced :lol: ....thanks for pointing out the sliver in our eye there bud, but I think there's a 2x4 in yours.

actually the funny thing is that Taiwan in general tends to slip below the general american news radar screen...aftall the Micheal Jackson case is soooo important :roll:

[eynon]

Anaximander wrote: Eynon81 wrote:

:lol: champion? no, but they let me warm the bench sometimes....mostly I'm just a loud drunk wanker who occassionally says something apt :wink:

So that would make you different to 90% of the rest of us, how? :wink:

because I admitt I suck :-D

[desaview]

Eynon81 wrote: desaview wrote: <<<<f the Taiwanese people vote to rejoin the mainland, then I won't do s**t....because it's there choice....let me repeat that....IT'S THEIR CHOICE!!!!! Not Beijing's, not Washington, THEIRS!!!! >>>

if everyone agrees on that, how come US media only reports one side of the story.? only painting China as the big bad bully. Did US media report on the full range of complexities in Taiwan? That half of Taiwanese are against any move towards independence? That Chen SB is not as popular as people in America thinks. ? That a majority of Taiwanese are against the proposed $17 billion weapons purchase, that they were huge demonstartions against it and that the Taiwanese parliament turned down the arms purchase. That the referendum on independence failed for lack of response? Why the one sided reporting in USA?

:lol: yeah, and Xinhua is fair and balanced :lol: ....thanks for pointing out the sliver in our eye there bud, but I think there's a 2x4 in yours.

actually the funny thing is that Taiwan in general tends to slip below the general american news radar screen...aftall the Micheal Jackson case is soooo important :roll:

no Xinxua is xinhua, everyone knows it.....but american press is just as biased when it comes to foreign news but the readers think it is fair and balanced. In China , people knows what to expect. The american type is more dangerous, IMO.

[desaview]

Eynon,

the invention of the internet is the most democatic invention ever. Before the invention of he internet, Western perception monopolises opinions. Now, the playing field is more level. Funny that years ago people think the internet will spead American values and now the internet is being used to educate people, esp those in China, about America's weaknesses.

[eynon]

desaview wrote: Eynon81 wrote: desaview wrote: <<<<f the Taiwanese people vote to rejoin the mainland, then I won't do s**t....because it's there choice....let me repeat that....IT'S THEIR CHOICE!!!!! Not Beijing's, not Washington, THEIRS!!!! >>>

if everyone agrees on that, how come US media only reports one side of the story.? only painting China as the big bad bully. Did US media report on the full range of complexities in Taiwan? That half of Taiwanese are against any move towards independence? That Chen SB is not as popular as people in America thinks. ? That a majority of Taiwanese are against the proposed $17 billion weapons purchase, that they were huge demonstartions against it and that the Taiwanese parliament turned down the arms purchase. That the referendum on independence failed for lack of response? Why the one sided reporting in USA?

:lol: yeah, and Xinhua is fair and balanced :lol: ....thanks for pointing out the sliver in our eye there bud, but I think there's a 2x4 in yours.

actually the funny thing is that Taiwan in general tends to slip below the general american news radar screen...aftall the Micheal Jackson case is soooo important :roll:

no Xinxua is xinhua, everyone knows it.....but american press is just as biased when it comes to foreign news but the readers think it is fair and balanced. In China , people knows what to expect. The american type is more dangerous, IMO.

dude...have you read any of the comments posted by any of the americans on this forum in regards to our media? go to the society page right now and click on the culture of death thread.

btw....which american media? Fox, NBC, CNN, NPR, the NYtimes, Newsweek, US News and World Reports....or how about the other non-american sources of new Americans flock to like the BBC or the Economist...which is biased and in what way?

[desaview]

<<<<<<dude...have you read any of the comments posted by any of the americans on this forum in regards to our media? go to the society page right now and click on the culture of death thread.

btw....which american media? Fox, NBC, CNN, NPR, the NYtimes, Newsweek, US News and World Reports....or how about the other non-american sources of new Americans flock to like the BBC or the Economist...which is biased and in what way?>>>>>>>

as far as domestic issues go, american media is full of debates.

As far as foreign policy go, american media is just as biased as any others. I like the BBC, it genuinely tries very hard to give comprehensive coverage of world affairs. irrespective of govt position.

whether it is CNN or Fox , they do not really challenge the US govt positions on foreign policies.