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00timh · Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Posts: 13322 Location: upstate NY

To those locked in this epic battle over homosexuality, I think it is time to call a truce. You will never get the opposite side to agree to your views no mater how you say it or what angle you take. I'm not trying to kill your discussions. It is just that it is post after post of the same argument that goes nowhere. Gay people are not going to become un gay. Many straight people will always feel threatened by them.

Secondary Oak · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 3423 Location: Haifa

00timh wrote: It is just that it is post after post of the same argument that goes nowhere.
Sounds like the mid-east or religion forums :)

Actually, coming to think of it, sounds like the way it goes in ALL the forums :P

Anyhow, debating is fun. That's why people are doing it in their free time.

eXploiTeD · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 8140

00timh wrote: To those locked in this epic battle over homosexuality, I think it is time to call a truce. You will never get the opposite side to agree to your views no mater how you say it or what angle you take. I'm not trying to kill your discussions. It is just that it is post after post of the same argument that goes nowhere. Gay people are not going to become un gay. Many straight people will always feel threatened by them.

So long as people continue to advocate the unjust treatment of homosexuals by not only the government, but by society at large, I will continue to debate. I owe it to my fellow (abit gay) citizens to ensure that they are represented.

00timh · Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Posts: 13322 Location: upstate NY

eXploiTeD wrote: 00timh wrote: To those locked in this epic battle over homosexuality, I think it is time to call a truce. You will never get the opposite side to agree to your views no mater how you say it or what angle you take. I'm not trying to kill your discussions. It is just that it is post after post of the same argument that goes nowhere. Gay people are not going to become un gay. Many straight people will always feel threatened by them.

So long as people continue to advocate the unjust treatment of homosexuals by not only the government, but by society at large, I will continue to debate. I owe it to my fellow (abit gay) citizens to ensure that they are represented. I'm actually referring to 2 or 3 members here who are just going back and forth. I'm not even going to side with either of them. They have different beliefs and since neither will ever see the others reasoning they should move on. I'm not trying to quell the discussion of homosexuality.

F'losrix · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject:

I have to agree that we're going around in circles and I am trying to avoid doing the same dance with the same people on this issue over and over again.

However, there are 2 times when I absolutely will have something to say:

1) When someone posts something that is patently false about gay people or overly negative without any balance. We simply can't allow those kinds of posts to go uncountered.

2) As new events take place, it's important to make our voice heard on them and/or to bring them to the attention of others for debate.

JayOfTheDead · Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 213

00timh wrote: To those locked in this epic battle over homosexuality, I think it is time to call a truce.

Good thinking, but I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon. This is a big issue in our society and it will be for a long time probably. I don't think people will call a truce, at least not now anyway.

00timh · Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Posts: 13322 Location: upstate NY

Political Jay wrote: 00timh wrote: To those locked in this epic battle over homosexuality, I think it is time to call a truce.

Good thinking, but I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon. This is a big issue in our society and it will be for a long time probably. I don't think people will call a truce, at least not now anyway. I may not have made it clear enough that I was referring to people on this site who are going back and forth on a particular argument. I was simply suggesting that they realise they are not going to change each others opinions. I was not referring to the subject in its entirety.

anomie · Joined: 29 Dec 2004 Posts: 1625 Location: Boston, MA

There are a couple of things that I won't less pass either...1) Biased polls that distort the facts or claim things that are not supported by the evidence and 2) blatant lies.

Every "gay" thread turns into a discussion of gay marriage (which we have had) or else some overall argument over homosexuality. I have never had a problem with homosexuality itself, just the political, legal, and language agenda used to change social policy.

F'losrix · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject:

anomie wrote: There are a couple of things that I won't less pass either...1) Biased polls that distort the facts or claim things that are not supported by the evidence and 2) blatant lies.

Every "gay" thread turns into a discussion of gay marriage (which we have had) or else some overall argument over homosexuality. I have never had a problem with homosexuality itself, just the political, legal, and language agenda used to change social policy.

No truce then, since you're not interested in one. I will do my best to ignore you from now on, though.

eXploiTeD · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 8140

anomie wrote: There are a couple of things that I won't less pass either...1) Biased polls that distort the facts or claim things that are not supported by the evidence and 2) blatant lies.

Every "gay" thread turns into a discussion of gay marriage (which we have had) or else some overall argument over homosexuality. I have never had a problem with homosexuality itself, just the political, legal, and language agenda used to change social policy.

Gay marriage is an important social issue, something that needs addressing on a rational and even-handed level. I really don't see any need to discuss homosexuality itself, since I view it within the continuum of normal sexual behaviour. I am far more concerned with the political stigma homosexuality possesses, the bulls**t gays have to put up with, and moral interference in the private sphere.

dmitri · Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 323

Many of us are too stubborn to give up in an argument...even when we are wrong.

Cien · Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 596 Location: Columbus, OH

Those arguments never go anywhere except excessive flamming and we never get anywhere when debating them, I talked about the subject on the g4 fourms and now I am banned from g4 for it, but i like this site better a lot more conservatives on here.

I am against homosexuality, I not only think we should ban civil unions and marriage but also the practice in general. Well I better not start an argument now because I'll be on here all night if I do that, so I'll just leave it where it's at now

dmitri · Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 323

Cien wrote: Those arguments never go anywhere except excessive flamming and we never get anywhere when debating them, I talked about the subject on the g4 fourms and now I am banned from g4 for it, but i like this site better a lot more conservatives on here.

I am against homosexuality, I not only think we should ban civil unions and marriage but also the practice in general. Well I better not start an argument now because I'll be on here all night if I do that, so I'll just leave it where it's at now
So then you add your opinion...that will probably start some debate, and there will be no end. Wow.

Nico · Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 10827 Location: Auckland

And we're away. :lol:

F'losrix · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:17 am Post subject:

Cien wrote: I am against homosexuality, I not only think we should ban civil unions and marriage but also the practice in general.

Why do you think homosexual practice should be banned?

What do you propose as the punishment for those who defy such a ban?

What should we do about homosexuals who remain celibate?

I can see this discussion might get very interesting, indeed.

00timh · Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Posts: 13322 Location: upstate NY

*remembers childhood duck and cover drills*

PrinceJunius · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:27 pm Post subject:

Quote: Well I better not start an argument now

How generous of you...

F'losrix · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject:

PrinceJunius wrote: Cien wrote: Well I better not start an argument now

How generous of you...

And too late, as well. I positively hate it when someone just throws out a bunch of opinionated statements and then doesn't stick around to actually debate the merits (or lack thereof) behind them.

micfranklin

00timh wrote: To those locked in this epic battle over homosexuality, I think it is time to call a truce. You will never get the opposite side to agree to your views no mater how you say it or what angle you take. I'm not trying to kill your discussions. It is just that it is post after post of the same argument that goes nowhere. Gay people are not going to become un gay. Many straight people will always feel threatened by them.

Yeah, no matter what you say to them, you're still wrong to them. Sounds almost immoral.

F'losrix

micfranklin wrote: 00timh wrote: To those locked in this epic battle over homosexuality, I think it is time to call a truce. You will never get the opposite side to agree to your views no mater how you say it or what angle you take. I'm not trying to kill your discussions. It is just that it is post after post of the same argument that goes nowhere. Gay people are not going to become un gay. Many straight people will always feel threatened by them.

Yeah, no matter what you say to them, you're still wrong to them. Sounds almost immoral.
Gee, sounds like the kind of treatment we get from our opponents all the time. No matter what we say in our defense, we're still 'wrong' to them and viewed as immoral.

If it ended there, we could perhaps agree to disagree. But they won't leave us alone - instead they've decided to make us targets in their culture war. I refuse to roll over and play dead for them.

No truce.