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[Tysic]

The Chinese Threat to America
By: Tysic Cummings


IS the United States headed to war with China? Current trends seem to suggest that the two nations are heading in a collision coarse, and sooner or later something is bound to break. The question does not seem to be will the United States go to war with China, but just what straw will break the camels back.

Taiwan has been a long standing feud between the countries, and is now once again being thrown into the forefront. On March 8, 2005 Wang, chairman of the Chinese Parliament issued this statement, “If possibilities for a peaceful reunification should be completely exhausted, the state shall employ non-peaceful means. . .”(Taken for www.cnn.com). If the Chinese were to attack Taiwan the United States would surely defend it, which means war.

Furthermore, the Chinese seem to be preparing for that war. Troop movements to the N. Korean border* and dramatic increases in military spending** are the least of the Untied State’s worries. China and Russia have formed a “Strategic Partnership”*** with the direct purpose to counter the “expanding Western military.”***. Best scenario: this is the only new military alliance China will enter into; Worst Scenario: This is a step towards the Moscow-New Delhi-Beijing Axis as suggested by President Putin of Russia.

Even without the later scenario being true, the United States is still in bad shape. China and Russia are both nuclear powers, and under President Putin, Russia is doing research reminiscent of the cold war era. The most bold being missiles designed specifically to evade US missile defense systems****.

China has also entered into other partnerships, namely: Iran*****. Although this alliance is not military in nature, it poses the United States two major threats. The first being the amount of petroleum Iran controls. They are one of the most oil rich countries in the world. The second being the likelihood of Iran being a powder-keg between China and the United States of America. There are three things that could set this off, each as likely as the last.
• Because of the political pressure in the United States to do so, The United States invades Iran.
• Israel attacks Iranian nuclear facilities.
• Iran attacks Israel, probably with nuclear weapons.


China represents the gravest threat to the security of the United States. They have repeatedly and blatantly acted against the United States in a very provocative manner. Their increase in military spending and taunts from across the pond can not continue unrebuked, and un-rebutted. It is time for the United States to recognize it’s threats and react to them.

-Tysic Cummings


“BEIJING — China said yesterday that its military has taken over patrolling its frontier with North Korea, but wouldn't disclose why it made the change.” “150,000 troops” September 16, 2003 -Washington Times.*

“China has announced an increase of more than 12% in its defence budget, to be approved by a session of its parliament that opens on Saturday.” www.bbc.co.uk Friday, March 4, 2005.**

“Russia and China announce strategic partnership in a bid to counter expanding Western military and fiscal influences” “Russia now provides significant amount of China’s energy needs. China now provides financial guarantee and loan to Russia without announcing the same explicitly” “Russian and Chinese military are having secret joint sessions to create the strategy of self defense in case of any invasion from other countries.”-February 3, 2005 -India Daily***

“MOSCOW - New nuclear weapons systems being developed in Russia could include a missile designed to defeat the U.S. missile defence shield..” CBC November 18, 2004.****

“Just as the foreign policy team of the United States is getting a major overhaul with the resignation of Secretary of State Colin Powell comes new word of a major, growing alliance between "axis of evil" member Iran and communist China.” November 18, 2004 -News Max*****

“An investigation by the Ukrainian secret police has found that Iran and China bought long-range missiles designed to carry nuclear warheads from Ukraine, one of the country's politicians said on Wednesday.” February 2, 2005. www.FT.com*****

[Locke_]

A couple of things:

1) If China goes to war with America they are automaticlly economiclly sent back into a third world country.

2) Russia doesn't have the balls to go to war with America and you are also forgeting NATO. If Russia wen't to war with America they would be invaded through the old iron curtain and would have to fight a 2 front war.

3) Stealth Nuclear bombers (enough said)

4) Poorly trained Chinese troops

5) America would TOTALLY dominate the skys and I doubt nukes would even be used but if so then Ill be seeing you in the afterlife.

6) American navel suporiority is absolute as of now

7) China should be scared of Japan, ever heard of the Rape of Nanking?(SP?)

8) The Japanese are devoted and great fighters (Kamikazis anyone?)

9) India wouldn't side or ally with China and Russia in a new "axis" and even if they did America could aid Pakistan in invading India which would automaticly draw them out of the war and Pakistan being a muslim country would gain the support of the Muslim world.

10) How many days did it take for Isreal to beat back the whole middleast?


It won't, will not, and couldn't happen. So don't believe it and don't worry about it.

[eynon]

Locke_ wrote: A couple of things:

1) If China goes to war with America they are automaticlly economiclly sent back into a third world country.

2) Russia doesn't have the balls to go to war with America and you are also forgeting NATO. If Russia wen't to war with America they would be invaded through the old iron curtain and would have to fight a 2 front war.

3) Stealth Nuclear bombers (enough said)

4) Poorly trained Chinese troops

5) America would TOTALLY dominate the skys and I doubt nukes would even be used but if so then Ill be seeing you in the afterlife.

6) American navel suporiority is absolute as of now

7) China should be scared of Japan, ever heard of the Rape of Nanking?(SP?)

8) The Japanese are devoted and great fighters (Kamikazis anyone?)

9) India wouldn't side or ally with China and Russia in a new "axis" and even if they did America could aid Pakistan in invading India which would automaticly draw them out of the war and Pakistan being a muslim country would gain the support of the Muslim world.

10) How many days did it take for Isreal to beat back the whole middleast?


It won't, will not, and couldn't happen. So don't believe it and don't worry about it.

that pretty much sums it up......good post

[John Galt]

Quote: 6) American navel suporiority is absolute as of now



Yup

:lol:

[Nico]

:lol: :lol:

[Nico]

[Nico]

[Nico]

Please excuse all the navel superiority. The site's doing some strange stuff at my end.

[MasterChefD]

I agree with most of that, but...

Locke_ wrote: 7) China should be scared of Japan, ever heard of the Rape of Nanking?(SP?)

You've gotta be kidding me. Are you saying China is going to be afraid of Japan because of the atrocities it has committed against the Chinese populace during the past? That's like saying American should be afraid of Canada because it (actually British Troops lead by the British Governor of Canada, Sir George Prevost) took control of the White House and set Washington D.C. on fire in 1814. If anything, it'll make them fight that much harder. I don't see how Japan is much more than a minor military threat to China.

[eynon]

John Galt wrote: Quote: 6) American navel suporiority is absolute as of now



Yup

:lol:

*humming America the Beautiful* :cry: I miss the states real bad some days :cry:

[thundertaker]

Quote: The Japanese are devoted and great fighters (Kamikazis anyone?)

I think the post-war settleyment has made the Japanese forces give up on all that Bushido warrior code s**t. I think they'll be just as prepared to surrender as anyone else nowadays......

[Tysic]

The threat from China is not iminant, it cannot, however, be ignored. Look below for rebut of your points.


Locke_ wrote: A couple of things:

1) If China goes to war with America they are automaticlly economiclly sent back into a third world country.
**China is becoming more economically indepent, or rather interdependant in it's own region. If china went to war with theunited states it would hurt the US economically quite a bit. Maybe as much as China, if not more.

2) Russia doesn't have the balls to go to war with America and you are also forgeting NATO. If Russia wen't to war with America they would be invaded through the old iron curtain and would have to fight a 2 front war.
**Not necisarily true. If the Moscow-New Delhi-Beijing axis(not as unbelievable as you make it out to be) were to be a fact, Indo-Chino forces could hold the western front without a problem. Furthermore, NATO is not always going to be a garantee. If trends continue we may not see the help of any european nations.

3) Stealth Nuclear bombers (enough said)
**ICBMs(enough said)

4) Poorly trained Chinese troops
**Ahelluva lot of 'em.

5) America would TOTALLY dominate the skys and I doubt nukes would even be used but if so then Ill be seeing you in the afterlife.
**I'll cede this point.

6) American navel suporiority is absolute as of now
**Also true

7) China should be scared of Japan, ever heard of the Rape of Nanking?(SP?)
** As of now Japan does not have a military(okay, not much of one). The chinese have nothing to fear from them, unless they engaged in total war. Even so, China would have taken Japan before they could do much.

8) The Japanese are devoted and great fighters (Kamikazis anyone?)
**Again: no military.

9) India wouldn't side or ally with China and Russia in a new "axis" and even if they did America could aid Pakistan in invading India which would automaticly draw them out of the war and Pakistan being a muslim country would gain the support of the Muslim world.
**The possibilites of a Moscow-New Delhi-Beijing axis are high.I think you overestimate the size of the US army. With our military stretched out as far as it can go already, How many fronts do you think we can support?

10) How many days did it take for Isreal to beat back the whole middleast?
**They're fiesty little buggers.


It won't, will not, and couldn't happen. So don't believe it and don't worry about it.

You're right, it will never happen on their terms. China will continue to do whatever the hell it wants until the US does something to stop them. This is why we need to resist chinese movements even if that means war. You are right when you imply that the US could win, but this will not always be the case. And if current trends continue we will not always have NATO to back us up, and then we are really screwed.

[Borommakot]

With or without nukes china has a huge army and could do serious damage to the US and if Russia did back them up then what

[Ssushi]

I think that US is scared of being downgraded to no.2 in the $$$$ stakes, that's all. They'll hype the China threat in terms of war but really it's because they want to retain the 'we are the best at everything' title...

[Locke_]

John Galt wrote: Quote: 6) American navel suporiority is absolute as of now



Yup

:lol:

I was :owned:

But I sure did enjoy it :lol: :lol:

[desaview]

Ssushi wrote: I think that US is scared of being downgraded to no.2 in the $$$$ stakes, that's all. They'll hype the China threat in terms of war but really it's because they want to retain the 'we are the best at everything' title...

It is against real Chinese philosophy to want to boast or strife for number 1 for number 1 sake.

More valued attributes will be harmony and humility.

I will concede that nationalism is quite high but not of the type and kind you have in mind.

[Tysic]

desaview wrote: Ssushi wrote: I think that US is scared of being downgraded to no.2 in the $$$$ stakes, that's all. They'll hype the China threat in terms of war but really it's because they want to retain the 'we are the best at everything' title...

It is against real Chinese philosophy to want to boast or strife for number 1 for number 1 sake.

More valued attributes will be harmony and humility.

I will concede that nationalism is quite high but not of the type and kind you have in mind.

I don't doubt that the Chinese people feel that way, but people in government generally get in government because of one thing: ambition. We cannot rule out China's ambition because the Chinese people aren't so much so.

-Tysic Cummings

Check out my blog: http://tysicip.blogspot.com

[Hobbie]

Borommakot wrote: With or without nukes china has a huge army and could do serious damage to the US and if Russia did back them up then what

Then they've signed their death warrant.

[desaview]

Tysic wrote: desaview wrote: Ssushi wrote: I think that US is scared of being downgraded to no.2 in the $$$$ stakes, that's all. They'll hype the China threat in terms of war but really it's because they want to retain the 'we are the best at everything' title...

It is against real Chinese philosophy to want to boast or strife for number 1 for number 1 sake.

More valued attributes will be harmony and humility.

I will concede that nationalism is quite high but not of the type and kind you have in mind.

I don't doubt that the Chinese people feel that way, but people in government generally get in government because of one thing: ambition. We cannot rule out China's ambition because the Chinese people aren't so much so.

-Tysic Cummings

Check out my blog: http://tysicip.blogspot.com ambition? the only ambition is to do what is right for family and country meaning continue to make money.

[Seapearl]

My dear friends,
You seem to underestimate the economic dimension of international relations.The chinese capital plays a major role in the american economy.
The american public debt is deteriorationg, the public deficit reaches the amount of $500 billion.
Thus, I think that an open american-chinese war is actually impossible (but I guess you never know).