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Pimpkie_69 wrote: Quote: The thing to remember when dealing with China is East is East and West is west.
I am Chinese so I believe I understand the issues more.

Being more exposed to propaganda does not mean you have a better understanding of the issue.

Quote: btw...Pimp, you rock!


Damn right

Quote: Taiwan is a very, very different issue...a desire to defend democracy is something people from many countries share.

I'm sure deep down inside even France wishes to take the side of Taiwan. But China is such a big bully that France and other nations in Europe would rather just drink their wine and eat their croissants and stay quiet.

Quote: If China is the aggressor, the new law will be called reunification law. It is called anti secession law to make sure Taiwan's democracy do not produce a monster. remember Hitler like Chen came to power via democracy with about 35% % each. ha ha.

Well if you're talking about monsters here, what east Asian nation has oppressed its people for centuries, runs protesters over with tanks, doesn't allow many basic freedoms such as freedom of speech and religion, and now wants to take over an independent and free nation by the mere claim that they share a common history?? And if you're talking about Hitler, didn't Hitler also want to take over independent nations that had historical ties to Germany?? There's maybe about 1 or 2 similarities between Nazi Germany and Taiwan, but probably thousands between Nazi Germany and contemporary communist China.

Quote: USA has no narural enemies and no historical garbage. It is infinitely easier than other nations. All enemies of USA are self made. What works for USA need not be exactly what others need.

Ya, because America totally created Nazi Germany and fascist Japan during WW2.

you are still a mama boy. I have been exposed to American propaganda and american hegemony all my life and that is no joke. :lol: :lol: It is true. What I know about China I have to learn from the internet and own research. ha ha.

[Pimpkie_69]

Quote: you are still a mama boy. I have been exposed to American propaganda and american hegemony all my life and that is no joke. It is true. What I know about China I have to learn from the internet and own research. ha ha.

What you learn about China is propaganda. Lots of people, even if they grow up in America, can be exposed to different types of anti-American propaganda and eventually learn to hate their own country because they've stepped in all the bullsh*t so many times.

Oh, and I'm Canadian, so I've been exposed to a lot of anti-American propaganda too.

And you are China's b**ch, unlike Taiwan which is a free and independent nation, and unlike Tibet which wishes independence for itself.

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Pimpkie_69 wrote: Quote: you are still a mama boy. I have been exposed to American propaganda and american hegemony all my life and that is no joke. It is true. What I know about China I have to learn from the internet and own research. ha ha.

What you learn about China is propaganda. Lots of people, even if they grow up in America, can be exposed to different types of anti-American propaganda and eventually learn to hate their own country because they've stepped in all the bullsh*t so many times.

Oh, and I'm Canadian, so I've been exposed to a lot of anti-American propaganda too.

And you are China's b**ch, unlike Taiwan which is a free and independent nation, and unlike Tibet which wishes independence for itself.

mama boy, I put it to you that you do not know that the Dalai Lama has for years tried to tell the West not to demonise China over Tibet. read this
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22792&highlight=

and re Taiwan it is about sovereign rights of China.

[Canada_Rocks]

Pimpkie_69, I do agree the taiwan should be its own country and in fact it is.
My problem is America trying to interfere.
How long can The republicans step on feet before people step back.

Its nice to see the once greatest nation go against the new greatest nation. Its like some f****d up wrestling match.

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Canada_rocks wrote: Pimpkie_69, I do agree the taiwan should be its own country and in fact it is.
My problem is America trying to interfere.
How long can The republicans step on feet before people step back.

Its nice to see the once greatest nation go against the new greatest nation. Its like some f****d up wrestling match.

Canada,

the platform of the Democrats in Taiwan are most silly. Singapore has already said it will not recognise an independent Taiwan no matter what.

all 200 nations in the UN will stick to China's one country two system policy. Even USA and Canada. China's diplomacy if not war will see to it. status quo is the best Taiwan can hope for so what is this independence movement to change its constitution???

[Canada_Rocks]

huh, but I thought china was its own country, I thought that was established. My problem is good old America coming to save the day.

Are we agreeing or disagreeing here.
I am a bit confused

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Canada_rocks wrote: huh, but I thought china was its own country, I thought that was established. My problem is good old America coming to save the day.

Are we agreeing or disagreeing here.
I am a bit confused

america and japan each has their own reasons to keep the pot boiling. ha ha.

China will on the other hand never give up Taiwan but one thing about China, it has patience, an unlimited supply of patience as long as Taiwan do not change its constitution or its name.

The democrates promised 1 million marchers on 26 march only 250,000 turned up according to the mayor of Taipeh. Chen, the democratic pro independence President of Taiwan is already a goner.

KMT is already building bridges with China with huge delegate to China today. Taiwan politics is very complicated, simple minded Westerners will not appreciate the full scope of the issues.