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[desaview]

Danpt,

USA has been been defeated militarily and still honors wars. Not even Vietnam can purged its love for wars. I dont know what will.

[newton]

Canada_rocks wrote: I think Eynon81 seems pretty well versed in chinese politics and ...he does live there..I think that makes him a double threat, not like us.

The fact is that i have been seeing rabble rousing (by republicans) about china and north korea. Look at Political Crossfire. Every second thread is about the threat of china. So lets put this in prespective..

American Hitlist:

China
North Korea
Iraq
Iran

Maybee Pakistan
Maybe Russia

Like my god. Why dont you just declare war on the entire planet, the sun, god himself (existance permitting). This war mongering and hate needs to stop.

PS China hasnt invaded the world yet becaus enot every world power enjoys killing and war.. SOme enjoy co-existance and -------ECONOMY (ie Trade)--------

If I remember correctly...China is a communist country. One of the most argued pieces of the manifesto is that communism is to spread throuhgout the world by any means neccesary...so...once again why hasn't China invaded the world yet?

...and desaview...I can turn out more than just war, power, and weapons. I was simply arguing against Canada about Chinas ability to conquer half the world.

[Canada_Rocks]

Um I think your views are jaded by the fact that "communism" in america is viewed worse than satan. I think one of the views in the bible is not to kill. I see alot of that happening. So what is really your point, to argue away insignificant facts with insignifcant rebutals, then sit back and admire your grandure.

And you can argue chinas ability. Sorry, 1.3 billion people..sorry, biggest producer,china holds america by it's balls. You can take your "Patriat" attitude to a "we love GW" forum. Explain to me why China COULDNT invade half the world.
I await your response.

[newton]

Canada_rocks wrote: Um I think your views are jaded by the fact that "communism" in america is viewed worse than satan. I think one of the views in the bible is not to kill. I see alot of that happening. So what is really your point, to argue away insignificant facts with insignifcant rebutals, then sit back and admire your grandure.

And you can argue chinas ability. Sorry, 1.3 billion people..sorry, biggest producer,china holds america by it's balls. You can take your "Patriat" attitude to a "we love GW" forum. Explain to me why China COULDNT invade half the world.
I await your response.

Hey, communism is the best thing since sliced bread! The ideals that communism has are the best. No sarcasm there...I fail to see the "satan" there. So no...my views aren't jaded in that way.

If you would have read my post from before...you would have realized that I agreed with you in the fact that China held the American Economy by the balls. Part of the reason it stays afloat is due to the peg the chinese put on its currency.

Why China couldn't invade half the world?...Never said it couldn't. I'm just saying they would lose. Other countries have a stronger base for military technology. That's why. Repeating what I said before: If China could win a war against half the world...they would. Communism isn't something for borders, it's a world order...to be achieved by any means neccesary. Look at the manifesto

P.s - I'm not a big fan of GW

[Canada_Rocks]

Sorry, i misread you, I accually agree on may things, ie the economy, ie the american dollar being held up by the yaun, i said that earlier too, im sorry I went all off on you becasue of one minor point, I shoulda read the rest of your posts

My apologies.

[kingcourage]

Canada_rocks wrote: Um I think your views are jaded by the fact that "communism" in america is viewed worse than satan. I think one of the views in the bible is not to kill. I see alot of that happening. So what is really your point, to argue away insignificant facts with insignifcant rebutals, then sit back and admire your grandure.

And you can argue chinas ability. Sorry, 1.3 billion people..sorry, biggest producer,china holds america by it's balls. You can take your "Patriat" attitude to a "we love GW" forum. Explain to me why China COULDNT invade half the world.
I await your response.
I can answer it , :lol: because Chinese race is just like a old man ,he lost the quality to reset the world or new discovery , it happened 2000 years ago,

the culture began a new state , like a middle-age man in his life.

something simple ,but really does.

Western culture will get it sometime ,even you see European Union now ,
just think about the war between England and France, the France and German ,the long history of war in European .......

and I know you can't understand and believe what I say,

if in 1740s , I tell something about future of European to an English ,he will
think so ,just like you .

[newton]

Canada_rocks wrote: Sorry, i misread you, I accually agree on may things, ie the economy, ie the american dollar being held up by the yaun, i said that earlier too, im sorry I went all off on you becasue of one minor point, I shoulda read the rest of your posts

My apologies.

It's alright! Happens all the time 8) :)

[desaview]

Newton,

but China has chucked Leninism a long long time ago, ever since USSR betrayed them in 1960. The futility of supplying arms to others was also proved by Vietnam. China thought it can count on friendship to stop Vietnam from occupying Cambodia. But it did not. So, on the urging of USA, China invaded Vietnam for two weeks as a punitive excercise. That was the last time China wanted to use military or give weapons to any other country.

[Canada_Rocks]

But china isnt even really true communism, it has hints of capitalism in it.

kingcourage, I like the cat pic, and I do understand, China has been around since...forever, Like india, countries have fallen, been rebuilt, been invaded, but china has sustained itself, and that is something I respect of the Chinese. By no means are they stupid, they are smarter than us in North America. They understand Hard work, and abide by principles that we cant even begin to relate to. I can see why china wouldnt invade the world, becasue they are fine the way they are.

[desaview]

They understand Hard work, and abide by principles that we cant even begin to relate to. I can see why china wouldnt invade the world, becasue they are fine the way they are.
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this is absolutely true. Chinese is governed by Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism long long before it adopts Communism, which is realy a class war between the peasants and the rich. The class war has been chucked completely in 1978 when Deng told the people it is alright to be rich.

[kingcourage]

Canada_rocks wrote: But china isnt even really true communism, it has hints of capitalism in it.

kingcourage, I like the cat pic, and I do understand, China has been around since...forever, Like india, countries have fallen, been rebuilt, been invaded, but china has sustained itself, and that is something I respect of the Chinese. By no means are they stupid, they are smarter than us in North America. They understand Hard work, and abide by principles that we cant even begin to relate to. I can see why china wouldnt invade the world, becasue they are fine the way they are.

in every culture there is something may we can call it "core of value"

the Chinese "core of value" isn't the Confucianism, it is hard to explain it ,because my English is poor.

just say something simple ,there is two culture ,one is Confucianism, one is Chaos, the core of value is in the middle of two culture .

China culture can accept the chaos easily, it's maybe very special in Western culture.

so there is a special "communism" in China, and other things.

it's maybe because the reform of China race in accient time is another way , in myth ,4000years ago,Chinese nations united in one , not by war and conquering,but by a peaceful way ,it is said because of a huge threat from some evil event..........(nobody know what it is now ),

so the characteristic is keeping in Chinese culture,the difference could be accepted in a way of chaos,although they can't know how to accept it or what should be accepted.

it's hard for me to explain something like philosophy in English. :cry:

do you get it? :!oops:

[Canada_Rocks]

Not really, but maily I dont know what the "choas" is. Do you meen "anarchy" ?

Are you saying that china is divded by different beliefs, yet bought together by a single idea "communism"?

please elaborate

[newton]

Desa,

Yep I understood that they chucked the lenin a long time ago. That they made a case to not go to war I did not.

Canada,

Yeah, no country really has a purely communistic society or a totally capitalistic society. Basic economics stuff. Right on about the hard work thing too. The chinese stick by their values and stand up for what they believe in. Not saying that all of their values are right though...but it shows alot about a culture when its members can hold on to their beliefs so tightly

And uhhh...kitty, me didn't understand either

[desaview]

Canada_rocks wrote: Not really, but maily I dont know what the "choas" is. Do you meen "anarchy" ?

Are you saying that china is divded by different beliefs, yet bought together by a single idea "communism"?

please elaborate

there is a thread in here called the han synthesis which I started, it should help for a start.

[desaview]

newton wrote: Desa,

Yep I understood that they chucked the lenin a long time ago. That they made a case to not go to war I did not.

Canada,

Yeah, no country really has a purely communistic society or a totally capitalistic society. Basic economics stuff. Right on about the hard work thing too. The chinese stick by their values and stand up for what they believe in. Not saying that all of their values are right though...but it shows alot about a culture when its members can hold on to their beliefs so tightly

And uhhh...kitty, me didn't understand either

Leninism encourages communists states to spread the communism ideology to others. China has no such interest. Reunification with Taiwan is of national importance and priority. Hopefully not through violence but by peaceful means but if really no hope by peaceful means (eg Taiwan declares independence and war is only option , then war it will be). It has nothing to do with communism or manifesto or Leninism.

[kingcourage]

Canada_rocks wrote: Not really, but maily I dont know what the "choas" is. Do you meen "anarchy" ?

Are you saying that china is divded by different beliefs, yet bought together by a single idea "communism"?

please elaborate
sorry, it is chaos.

yes, anarchy in politics , dimness in philosophy.

franky ,now China isn't communism or capitalism, it's a kingdom,
the king or other lord are still alive in the polity of China now.

monarchism, maybe.

but a "not-bad" king is acceptable for Chinese.

maybe you don't believe , the first king of China handed over his power to a new ,young and capable king ,but the new king wasn't his son or relative.

it's a special political system in ancient life. it's a very primitive polity.

but it is reasonable ,for China is an ancient culture that his inbeing was never changed by outer culture and power .

like kangaroo in Australia . China is another special case in culture's evolution.

I can bet ,someday ,communism will be a history word in China .

just like religion 's evolution in ancient China, at the beginings ,there were much a many gods in different tribe and nations, just like ancient Greece.
and I tell you in other posts, the myth recorded that all the tribes suddenly united into one nation for the outer event.

but you know ,the ancient people must sacrifice to their god.

for the respect to all the tribes's different god ,and avoiding the quarrelling in different tribes,

so the chaos was lead into by one way :dimness . the king sacrificed the

"heaven and earth" ,because all the gods live in the heaven or under the earth ......... :wink:

so now in Chinese , we have the religion , but we don't know what it is. :wink: it's a dimness from the culture's begining

in Chinese language now ,you can hear someone speak loudly "oh my heaven"

the phase's meaning is same as the phase "oh my god"

are we evil ? yes ,I know.but we can't change the 5000 years history's influence.

heaven save me, oh ,no, God save me. :wink: :wink:

human culture was under the influence of the different events in history.

although I know you Western don't think other nations as human in your heart's" inner side" :P

because most cultures, at the begining , conquering another culture by force, an more powerful god replaced another god, so nationalism is important , singularity in philosophy or in human's mind is important.

it's not our fault ,because we are only human.

[XiangYu]

desaview wrote: Danpt,

USA has been been defeated militarily and still honors wars. Not even Vietnam can purged its love for wars. I dont know what will.

The US being a world superpower has been very meddlesome militarily around the world (other examples besides Vietnam: Korea and the Middle East). I would think any nation with such a status would both "Talk softly and carry a big stick" at the same time. The American people needs to ask itself, should the goal of the U.S. be total dominance in the world - culturally, economically and militarily. If not then, Americans need to find ways for peaceful coexistence with other world powers. I don't know much about China's record in regards to her smaller neighbors (Pakistan, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Laos and others) but I would imagine China has time to time also pushed her weight around to get their way. I understand that there has been some minor clashes between China and Vietnam in regards to disputes to the rights of oil fields in South China Sea. Any thoughts on that last comment?

[desaview]

Danpt2000 wrote: desaview wrote: Danpt,

USA has been been defeated militarily and still honors wars. Not even Vietnam can purged its love for wars. I dont know what will.

The US being a world superpower has been very meddlesome militarily around the world (other examples besides Vietnam: Korea and the Middle East). I would think any nation with such a status would both "Talk softly and carry a big stick" at the same time. The American people needs to ask itself, should the goal of the U.S. be total dominance in the world - culturally, economically and militarily. If not then, Americans need to find ways for peaceful coexistence with other world powers. I don't know much about China's record in regards to her smaller neighbors (Pakistan, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Laos and others) but I would imagine China has time to time also pushed her weight around to get their way. I understand that there has been some minor clashes between China and Vietnam in regards to disputes to the rights of oil fields in South China Sea. Any thoughts on that last comment?

coincidently, China and Vietnam and Philippins just last week signed agreement to jointly develop oil fields in the disputed area. Come 2010 China will join the expanded ASEAN making it the largest free trade block in the world.

[Canada_Rocks]

Yeah but I must add, China will be little without Canadas Oil and the United STates credit cards..
Well for now at least. :)

There is always hydrogen and people that accually pay in cash.

[desaview]

Canada_rocks wrote: Yeah but I must add, China will be little without Canadas Oil and the United STates credit cards..
Well for now at least. :)

There is always hydrogen and people that accually pay in cash.

actually China's exports are quite well diversified with roughly a quarter going to US , Japan, EU and rest each. and EU is expected to overtake US soon.