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learn to swim · Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:05 pm Post subject:

Mar 2, 7:08 PM (ET)

By RYAN PEARSON

SIMI VALLEY, Calif. (AP) - In a rare public appearance Wednesday, CIA Director Porter Goss said he is overwhelmed by the many duties of his job, including devoting five hours out of every day to prepare for and deliver intelligence briefings to President Bush.

"The jobs I'm being asked to do, the five hats that I wear, are too much for this mortal," Goss said. "I'm a little amazed at the workload."

Goss praised Bush's choice for the new job of national intelligence director, John Negroponte. The career diplomat, who is expected to be confirmed by the Senate, will take over several of the duties currently assigned to Goss, including the presidential briefing.

Goss, who has made few public comments beyond congressional testimony, also said the legislation creating the position of director of national intelligence left him unclear on his future role.

"It's got a huge amount of ambiguity in it," he said. "I don't know by law what my direct relationship is with John Negroponte," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld or other top officials involved with intelligence.

Despite the confusion, Goss praised Negroponte's selection.

"I hold him in the very highest regard," he said, noting that the two attended Yale at the same time. "The intelligence community is going to be strengthened and unified and more effective than it has ever been."

Goss' remarks came during an hourlong address at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, before an audience of more than 200 that included former first lady Nancy Reagan. Tickets to the event were sold to the public for $45.

Goss, a CIA clandestine officer for 10 years who retired in 1972, said it takes him five hours every day to prepare and deliver the president's daily briefing, calling Bush "a voracious consumer of intelligence."

Legislation signed by Bush in December creates a national intelligence center and the powerful new position Negroponte is nominated for. He will oversee the nation's 15 separate intelligence agencies.

Goss will remain head of the CIA but under the legislation loses his title as director of central intelligence. He said his role under the overhauled system will likely depend on Bush.

"Any president ... is going to pick the way he or she wants the intelligence community to serve him or her," he said.

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psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

learn to swim wrote: Mar 2, 7:08 PM (ET)

By RYAN PEARSON

SIMI VALLEY, Calif. (AP) - In a rare public appearance Wednesday, CIA Director Porter Goss said he is overwhelmed by the many duties of his job, including devoting five hours out of every day to prepare for and deliver intelligence briefings to President Bush.

"The jobs I'm being asked to do, the five hats that I wear, are too much for this mortal," Goss said. "I'm a little amazed at the workload."
aaaawwwww............ poor Porter Goss.. :bby:

I guess his life was so much simpler when all he had to do was murder Iran-Contra witnesses on the command of Oliver North.. :roll:

Grengor · Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 460

well just five hours out of a day isnt bad, but that was only one thing he listed, so maybe working 13 hours in a day is worse than killing iran-contra witnesses, i dunno. Opinions?

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 7106 Location: Ohio

It's good that they have shifted down his workload. If he is too stressed, he will hurry his other work. Hurried work is not good work. That causes intelligence failures and mistakes.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Iluvguns wrote: It's good that they have shifted down his workload. If he is too stressed, he will hurry his other work. Hurried work is not good work. That causes intelligence failures and mistakes.
No.....

Porter Goss, of all people, has never done anything in his adult life that was not criminal. Read the crappy bio of his in the article.. he's a former CIA agent who "retired" in 1972? You know what that means, right? Can you say W-A-T-E-R-G-A-T-E?? b/c Goss had his fingerprints all over that crime from top to bottom..

Now is simply not the time to let up pressure on these criminals. They have to be exposed and hounded out of (or perhaps, into? :? ) Washington like there's no tomorrow... These guys are mass mass murderers, they're not on "your" side, and they'll stop at nothing in their blind thirst for money and power..

Lagspike · Joined: 17 Feb 2005 Posts: 998

Have you ever watched Alias? Those guys have a tough job.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Lagspike wrote: Have you ever watched Alias? Those guys have a tough job.
I've never watched "Alias" (<- whatever that is), but I have worked w/ CIA officials before and from where I was standing it didn't seem like they had all that much to do other than plan who to murder and what building they were going to blow up next..

... actually, I'm exaggerating .. CIA is involved in a lot of money laundering as well, and there you have to be careful to dot your i's and cross your t's, so it'll stand up to Congressional scrutiny..

Nauseating stuff.. absolutely nauseating..

btw, I have no idea what "Alias" is, but if it's a TV show, try not to base your opinion of the world on what Hollywood tells you it is.. there're as many liars in Hollywood as there are at Langley..

Tono · Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 11742 Location: Mounted

Lagspike wrote: Have you ever watched Alias? Those guys have a tough job.

The Brits make it look so much easier with Austin Powers. :wink:

deadheir · Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 26 Location: philadelphia

i agree with psholtz on pretty much everything he's said. isn't it funny how only yale grads seem to be getting appointed lately?

on another note...why exactly is he complaining to the public about his workload? and even if he does work 13 hours a day, it's not like millions of lower/middle class americans don't do the same. suck it up, goss.

emmorris · Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:30 am Post subject:

learn to swim wrote: Mar 2, 7:08 PM (ET)

By RYAN PEARSON

SIMI VALLEY, Calif. (AP) - In a rare public appearance Wednesday, CIA Director Porter Goss said he is overwhelmed by the many duties of his job, including devoting five hours out of every day to prepare for and deliver intelligence briefings to President Bush.

"The jobs I'm being asked to do, the five hats that I wear, are too much for this mortal," Goss said. "I'm a little amazed at the workload."

:? What exactly did he think he was going to be doing? Gosh, 5 whole hours every day devoted to keeping America safe? Is it too late to look for another director?

Grengor · Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 460

Actually if you read closer it said that was ONE out of others, and just that one took up five hours.

Michael White · Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 79

Gee, and to think: He only makes $150,000. 00 a year for doing what he should.

Hmmm. I guess that boils down to only about $575. 00 each time he presents a 5 hour report to Bush. (including his 1/2 with the Pres.). Which translates to about $104.54 per hour (Most of the work being done by 3 aids). Which he probably has figured is half what a top knotched lawyer would get for his per hour wage. Maybe this is about AMOUNT OF PAY PER HOUR rather than workload. YA THINK?

anti-bush2008 · Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:37 am Post subject:

Michael White wrote: Gee, and to think: He only makes $150,000. 00 a year for doing what he should.

Hmmm. I guess that boils down to only about $575. 00 each time he presents a 5 hour report to Bush. (including his 1/2 with the Pres.). Which translates to about $104.54 per hour (Most of the work being done by 3 aids). Which he probably has figured is half what a top knotched lawyer would get for his per hour wage. Maybe this is about AMOUNT OF PAY PER HOUR rather than workload. YA THINK?

annnnnnnnd...to add to that brilliant reply, many blue collar workers work 12 hour days in much harder conditions (I'd pay money to see Goss or Tom Delay pull even one hour at a Detroit assembly line or a Starbucks warehouse or something like that :lol: :lol: ) for minimum wage only to return to work the next day and find that a guy named Ishkabob somewhere in New Delhi took his job, and that the Bush administration awards companies that do this!

Toughen up little solder :bby:

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Michael White wrote: Gee, and to think: He only makes $150,000. 00 a year for doing what he should.

Hmmm. I guess that boils down to only about $575. 00 each time he presents a 5 hour report to Bush. (including his 1/2 with the Pres.). Which translates to about $104.54 per hour (Most of the work being done by 3 aids). Which he probably has figured is half what a top knotched lawyer would get for his per hour wage. Maybe this is about AMOUNT OF PAY PER HOUR rather than workload. YA THINK?
uuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh...... Porter Goss "made" (<- if that's the right word for it) at least $200 million (personally) by embezzling money, committing fraud and murdering witnesses back during Iran-Contra...

There are things to worry about wrt Porter Goss... the amount of "money" the man has is most certainly not one of them.. :roll:

emmorris · Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:28 am Post subject:

Michael White wrote: Gee, and to think: He only makes $150,000. 00 a year for doing what he should.

Hmmm. I guess that boils down to only about $575. 00 each time he presents a 5 hour report to Bush. (including his 1/2 with the Pres.). Which translates to about $104.54 per hour (Most of the work being done by 3 aids). Which he probably has figured is half what a top knotched lawyer would get for his per hour wage. Maybe this is about AMOUNT OF PAY PER HOUR rather than workload. YA THINK?

Contrary to popular belief government employees are not supposed to get rich.

tyke1290 · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 2

Ya'll think he also got some of those missing millions in Iraq while he was there....

Scribbler1 · Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:56 am Post subject:

I don't believe ANYONE in government says anything without a reason. I also know that our government is a very patient entity and this sounds like a setup to me.
You just don't say the job is almost too tough to your boss, and you especially don't say it to an entire nation counting on you to protect it. It might BE too tough but you just don't say it out loud.
What this looks like is a way to set us up for the next time the administration needs a scapegoat for the next time there is another "connect the dots" fiasco. I'm seeing some senator yelling at Goss about some huge failure and Goss responding with "Senator, I told you last year the job was too tough and you didn't spend the extra money necessary to help me out."

Rave against the Machine · Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 532

I say get rid of the criminal CIA. Ever since it was created in 1947 it has caused massive suffering and death in the world, overthrowing democratic socialist democracies and installing brutal right wing death squad governments. F*** the CIA!..:)

Scribbler1 · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:34 am Post subject:

Rave against the Machine wrote: I say get rid of the criminal CIA. Ever since it was created in 1947 it has caused massive suffering and death in the world, overthrowing democratic socialist democracies and installing brutal right wing death squad governments. F*** the CIA!..:)
That is another example of overreaction. There is nothing wrong with the CIA as an entity but how it is used. It is no more the agency's fault that it has been misused and mismanaged by unethical/unintelligent politicians than it's the knife's fault when a mugger stabs you. The CIA was around for a long time before Reagan but it was Reagan (or more likely his staff) who orchestrated the Iran/Contra fiasco. The CIA is a tool, nothing more and how it is used is up to the POTUS.
Like in the other thread about the U.N., I say there is no reason to trash an established organization that has potential for good