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[kerby4u]

no, the simple fact is...when a few individuals make rules as they go, discriminate against others in doing so...although, there was much support for the girl, it wasnt taken into consideration....there are more concerns than clothing issues in public schools....i think the administration staff should be fired...if rules arent stated and/or makes a case for why they need to alter them (in this case, she thought the dress too revealing and was uncomfortable) then they should be considered in a fair way. This is the typical "absolute" thinking by many educators....did you know that many defence attorneys will not allow school teachers on the jury? They blacklist them, because they only see in terms of black and white and are so easily influenced. I taught public school for 3 years, before going into business and the stupidity was overwhelming at times.

[Warmonger]

Making the rules up as they go? Not hardly. The same dress code has been in place for years. No deviations have been allowed. Ever. The deviation would be to let a student break the rules.

I agree that the girl's feelings should be taken into consideration, and thus an alternative dress or gown or whatever that thing is should be provided to her.

Your comment on firing the entire administration staff is ludicrous.

You're also delivering a low blow by labeling instructors in the school systems as "absolute, black-and-white" thinkers. Did it ever occur to you that black-and-white thinking is what the majority want for their children? Right and wrong, simply stated, is an amazingly effective and reasonable way to teach children. Some instances require a gray area of thinking, but by and large I don't buy into the liberal idea that there are no absolutes, and that everything should be considered. There still is such a thing as right and wrong.

Using defense attorneys to make your case against teachers is a sad joke. Defense attorneys are by and large as scummy as the people they defend.

[kerby4u]

education is a "grey" area (schools teaching creation instead of the scientific proven evolution(?))....open minds is the entire idea of the Alexander Humboldt method (the primary influence of Western education standards)....this was an American public school and had no recorded Dress Code...they decided what they would like for their Yearbook (which is a student lead project)...its not the administrations right to say we are amending it in response to the particular student's request. Perhaps it is ludicrous to fire everyone...but fascist type thinking in the public school is becoming a bad trend.

I didnt lable teachers "black and white"...re-read the post so you understand clearly....this is a commonality regarded by the legal profession and jury selection process......dont care what anyone thinks of this, it is practiced....only a FYI.

[Warmonger]

A bit off topic here.... But education is not and should not be a grey area.

Absolutes... right and wrong... clear cut answers... are a must for the education system.

I agree totally that free thinking and alternative methods of solving problems should be encouraged in our schools, but there has to be a compass. Children cannot be placed in a huge fog and told to pick their own way, without any guidance whatsoever other than to say "whatever you choose is totally ok. it's all relative, anyway.".

Now, for the young lady and the yearbook... though produced by students AND faculty, the book is owned and funded by the school. My remarks stand. The school has the right to dictate the dresscode for their own publication.

[kerby4u]

Warmonger wrote: A bit off topic here.... But education is not and should not be a grey area.

Absolutes... right and wrong... clear cut answers... are a must for the education system.

I agree totally that free thinking and alternative methods of solving problems should be encouraged in our schools, but there has to be a compass. Children cannot be placed in a huge fog and told to pick their own way, without any guidance whatsoever other than to say "whatever you choose is totally ok. it's all relative, anyway.".

Now, for the young lady and the yearbook... though produced by students AND faculty, the book is owned and funded by the school. My remarks stand. The school has the right to dictate the dresscode for their own publication.


u have much to learn about education....btw, the topic isnt about "Absolutes... right and wrong... clear cut answers... " it is not wrong for a female to wear tux....be careful with your wording..."schools....dictate"- that is clearly the problem with "u have no rights" type thinking....there is no dictatorship in schools...the majority do not want "absolute" thinking in the school system-----whatever you think of attorneys is your opinion, but it still remains that public school teachers are regarded as unstable jurors....i highly challenge the administration's thinking of dictating a dress code for year book pictures, without having a dress code at the school. If one wants to wear a t-shirt and army field jacket, then so be it...if one wants to wear something very suggestive...then this would fall back on the dress standards of the school.....the girl has a case...period........now that's an absolute. btw, no school "owns" the yearbook....copywrites are not held by schools.

[jetking]

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[Warmonger]

Do I evn want to venture a guess as to what "jetking" posted, Admins?

[kerby4u]

Warmonger wrote: Do I evn want to venture a guess as to what "jetking" posted, Admins?

perhaps a graphic ideal of women in scantly tuxedo outfits....something for the next james bond film titles

[Warmonger]

Women in scant tuxedos are undeniably hot. :wink:

[kerby4u]

Warmonger wrote: Women in scant tuxedos are undeniably hot. :wink:

we should poll the forum to petition the mods to release what he wrote

[cacahuate]

Schools are ridiculous. What're they accomplishing by doing this?

[Warmonger]

They are excercising their right to decide what does and does not go into their publications. The girls' rights don't trump the schools'.