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[learn to swim]

Goss changes tone with China

[learn to swim]

By Edward Alden in Washington
Published: February 16 2005 19:32 | Last updated: February 16 2005 19:32


The director of the US Central Intelligence Agency has warned that China's military modernisation is tilting the balance of power in the Taiwan Strait and increasing the threat to US forces in the region.

Delivering the agency's annual assessment of worldwide threats on Wednesday, Porter Goss, a former Republican congressman who was named in September to head the CIA, dropped any mention of the co-operative elements of the US-China relationship that characterised recent CIA statements. Instead, he said China was making determined military and diplomatic efforts to “counter what it sees as US efforts to contain or encircle China”.

Mr Goss's statements on China were a small part of testimony that highlighted the threat Islamic terrorism poses to the US and emphasised concerns over Iran and North Korea. He has also said that he wants to refocus the agency on its traditional mission of assessing threats and avoid statements that could be interpreted as setting US policy.

But the statement on China indicated the CIA is paying growing attention to what it considers potential military threats amid China's growing economic ties with its neighbours and the US. Mr Goss referred to US concerns over the increase in Chinese ballistic missiles deployed across the Taiwan Strait and the improvements in China's nuclear and conventional capabilities.

The change in tone was notable given US concerns over Europe's plan to end its embargo on arms sales to China. Experts on China said that, while warnings about China's military capabilities were not new, the CIA had in the past underscored the co-operation between the US and China.

In testimony last year, George Tenet, former CIA head, praised China for co-operation in the war on terrorism and for its participation in the nuclear talks with North Korea. In 2003, Mr Tenet described US-Taiwan relations as relatively placid and said China was trying to assert its influence through “economic growth and Chinese integration into the global economy”. James Lilley, a former US ambassador to China, said that, while it was appropriate for the CIA to focus on longer-term threats, the growing economic ties between China and Taiwan were making conflict less likely.

James Steinberg, deputy national security adviser in the Clinton administration, said: “It is a little surprising that it didn't say anything about the enormous emphasis China places on a stable international environment and constructive relations with the US.”

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[Rave against the Machine]

learn to swim wrote:
By Edward Alden in Washington
Published: February 16 2005 19:32 | Last updated: February 16 2005 19:32


Delivering the agency's annual assessment of worldwide threats on Wednesday, Porter Goss, a former Republican congressman who was named in September to head the CIA, dropped any mention of the co-operative elements of the US-China relationship that characterised recent CIA statements. Instead, he said China was making determined military and diplomatic efforts to “counter what it sees as US efforts to contain or encircle China”.

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to “counter what it sees as US efforts to contain or encircle China”. What it sees?? What China sees??? lol! So I guess the U.S. isn't surrounding China with military bases to try and make China into an economic servent to the U.S. ? Thats just something that China sees but our free liberal media does not. This whole Korea thing is really about China ever since the last China/US clash in the Korean war. Everybody get ready for a new cold war with ample propaganda. China is protecting itself from the ravages of the free market like all the advanced countries did in the past but they will be punished by the rich and powerfull.

[learn to swim]

It would be pretty easy to beat them. Wal Mart could outsource all of thier product purchases to Mexico instead.


China is afloat right now because of us. We are not making them into an economic servant, they are willingly becoming one to improve thier crappy economy.

[psholtz]

The hypocrisy and criminality of the CIA simply knows no bounds.. Porter Goss was one of the key figures in the Iran-Contra smuggling operation, and if justice were served, should be spending the next 3,200 years in prison for the crimes he committed therein..

At any rate -- most ironically, perhaps -- one of Goss' key roles in Iran Contra was to ship weapons through to -- of all places -- China. I mean for the love of God, these liars have to know that they were shipping guns to the Chinese, which the Chinese in turn are pointing back at the US, no??

Insane, clear total completely sheer insanity ...

[learn to swim]

psholtz wrote: The hypocrisy and criminality of the CIA simply knows no bounds.. Porter Goss was one of the key figures in the Iran-Contra smuggling operation, and if justice were served, should be spending the next 3,200 years in prison for the crimes he committed therein..

At any rate -- most ironically, perhaps -- one of Goss' key roles in Iran Contra was to ship weapons through to -- of all places -- China. I mean for the love of God, these liars have to know that they were shipping guns to the Chinese, which the Chinese in turn are pointing back at the US, no??

Insane, clear total completely sheer insanity ...

I guess he knows what he is talking about then. :lol:

[psholtz]

learn to swim wrote: psholtz wrote: The hypocrisy and criminality of the CIA simply knows no bounds.. Porter Goss was one of the key figures in the Iran-Contra smuggling operation, and if justice were served, should be spending the next 3,200 years in prison for the crimes he committed therein..

At any rate -- most ironically, perhaps -- one of Goss' key roles in Iran Contra was to ship weapons through to -- of all places -- China. I mean for the love of God, these liars have to know that they were shipping guns to the Chinese, which the Chinese in turn are pointing back at the US, no??

Insane, clear total completely sheer insanity ...

I guess he knows what he is talking about then. :lol:
If you're still in that phase where you think this is funny, then believe me, you're in store for the ride of your f***ing life.. :-|

Porter Goss has been directly implicated in the murder of at least 20 Iran-Contra witnesses, in the sense that he's literally the guy who "pulled the trigger" and murdered the witnesses literally by his own hand.. Realistically, the man's probably ordered the murders of far far more people than that..

I mean, why not just make Heinrich Himmler DCI? What's wrong w/ that? Or Adolf himself? b/c Porter Goss is cut from the same murdering monster stock as those animals were..

.. and what's this total garbage I hear about John Negroponte being assigned some new BS "intelligence" directorship?? This is, I'm guessing, the same John Negroponte who's been accused by Amnesty International of raping 30 nuns and throwing them (still alive) from a helicopter while he was U.S. "ambassador" (<- if that's the proper word for it) to Honduras..

This is totally f***ing gross..

[Michael White]

psholtz wrote: The hypocrisy and criminality of the CIA simply knows no bounds.. Porter Goss was one of the key figures in the Iran-Contra smuggling operation, and if justice were served, should be spending the next 3,200 years in prison for the crimes he committed therein..

At any rate -- most ironically, perhaps -- one of Goss' key roles in Iran Contra was to ship weapons through to -- of all places -- China. I mean for the love of God, these liars have to know that they were shipping guns to the Chinese, which the Chinese in turn are pointing back at the US, no??

Insane, clear total completely sheer insanity ...

Any articles, as proof, that you could attach for us?

Why is it that our balance of power rules have all changed? Is it simply Nuclear Weapon capability, is it Economic Superiority, is it the "Club" with the most members? Which of these factors, or any others will determine the next Mover/Shaker to dominate World Peace vs. World War?

Does anyone see us moving toward a new world war between the Biggest Baddest Nations in existence? Or should the whole of this Big Bad Nations mix FEAR THIS, TERRORISTS MICE WHO ROAR?

I'm obviously either confused, ignorant or both? HEEEEEELLLLLLP?

Michael :roll:

[psholtz]

Michael White wrote: psholtz wrote: The hypocrisy and criminality of the CIA simply knows no bounds.. Porter Goss was one of the key figures in the Iran-Contra smuggling operation, and if justice were served, should be spending the next 3,200 years in prison for the crimes he committed therein..

At any rate -- most ironically, perhaps -- one of Goss' key roles in Iran Contra was to ship weapons through to -- of all places -- China. I mean for the love of God, these liars have to know that they were shipping guns to the Chinese, which the Chinese in turn are pointing back at the US, no??

Insane, clear total completely sheer insanity ...

Any articles, as proof, that you could attach for us?

Why is it that our balance of power rules have all changed? Is it simply Nuclear Weapon capability, is it Economic Superiority, is it the "Club" with the most members? Which of these factors, or any others will determine the next Mover/Shaker to dominate World Peace vs. World War?

Does anyone see us moving toward a new world war between the Biggest Baddest Nations in existence? Or should the whole of this Big Bad Nations mix FEAR THIS, TERRORISTS MICE WHO ROAR?

I'm obviously either confused, ignorant or both? HEEEEEELLLLLLP?

Michael :roll:
Al Martin has documented a lot of the crime and murder and treason of Porter Goss (in particular), and this was years before Goss was named head of CIA(!) :shock:

http://www.almartinraw.com/

This book on Iran-Contra is a good place to start..

[Placemat]

Someones going to need to import over 50% of its oil if they are going to support its economy in the next few years. Hmmm a large Army, that would be usefull for invaiding a country like Russia or India.

[grauenstadt]

well, maybe if the european nations and the united states didn't avert their eyes from the human rights violations and the oppressive regime, and have trade relationships with china that work more to the benefit of the cabal in the chinese government than our own interests or the interests of all peoples...maybe, just maybe, this wouldn't be such a concern. we (claim to verbally, at least) espouse freedom, human rights, and relative equality among peoples, yet we financially support the world's larget tyrannical regime, to our detriment! such foolishness.

anyone can see the short-term value of cheap chinese labor, as is apparent by the fact that everyone is overlooking china's overvalued currency, or at least isn't doing anything effectual about it, but this is just the sort of thing that could be curbed by a nation-wide socialist economy. a lot of wars have been fueled by economic partnerships that have become strained or awkward. no, i have no idea how such an economy would come about, and i can only wonder how well it will work -- it hasn't really been properly done on any scale of note that i am aware of.

[Placemat]

Anyone read The Coming Collapse of China by Gordon Chang?

[tyke1290]

Yeah, China is really going to take seriously any warnings from the CIA

Not likely....besides the US just borrowed from China....and China has bought into the US bond market.