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[The_Right_Honourable]

Its the 60th celebration of Austwitz! Yay! :lol:

But were still not dealing with Sudan and many other atrocious things across the globe.

Also you hear the holocaust being called "Unique".

Only in its efficiency. Which considering how badly the Nazi's ran Germany was quite an acheivement. Namibia, Armenia, Tibet, Yugoslavia, Ancient Gaul, Ancient Mesepotamia, Kosovo.

Its happened before itll probably happen again.

So why is the holocaust/The Nazi's such a delicate subject? Prince Harry dresses as a Nazi and all hell breaks lose. Ken Livingston calls a reporter a Nazi and the Jewish council try to get him fired.

And why do so many people seem to use anti-semetism as an excuse to let Isreal get away with murder, literally.

[Voice of Reason]

Quote: But were still not dealing with Sudan and many other atrocious things across the globe.

The apathy in regard to Rwanda was rather shocking. The UN did very little to stop that disaster.

Quote: Ken Livingston calls a reporter a Nazi and the Jewish council try to get him fired.

Livingston is an idiot who should be sued for defamation if he called an innocent man a Nazi but should he be fired? Well even hardworking idiots deserve a job.

Quote: And why do so many people seem to use anti-semetism as an excuse to let Isreal get away with murder, literally.

It is an easy fall back position. Ad Hominem can be an effective way out of a debate when cornered.

[zelda]

"So why is the holocaust/The Nazi's such a delicate subject?"

the holocaust may be such a delicate subject because it happened in europe, it directly threatened whole europe, and indirectly the world.
nazi germany, unlike the atrocities in sudan, was a real world-wide threat. sudan, rwanda,namibia, kosovo etc they were all horrible but none had the impact of the holocaust.

[Canada_Rocks]

The_Right_Honourable

I wish to correct you

The Nazis accually ran germany quite well, and excluding hitler's psycholic tendencies, he is seen as a genius. Afterall he built up Gernamy to the point where he was able to take on everyone and I hate to say it, if he hadnt attacked russia he may have won.

I hate hitler he was a horrible person His international policies were apauling and still are.
But you can't make you hate for him blind you from the truth, hitler was a stratigizing genius, a political genius, and carisma that would make you kill your own mother.

On top of the holocaust, let us remember
these deaths

Canada 26,976
Austria 280,000
China 1,324,516
france 210,000
Germany 3,250,000
Japan 1,270,000
Poland 664,000
USSR 6,115,000
England 357,116
United States 291,558
and millions more from other countries.
(it was estimated that about 10 - 13 million died total in the USSR (The from their wounds later on)

and most importantly the 6 million Jews from many countires in europe that were mainly inocent civilians.

[The_Right_Honourable]

Canada_rocks wrote: The_Right_Honourable

I wish to correct you

The Nazis accually ran germany quite well, and excluding hitler's psycholic tendencies, he is seen as a genius. Afterall he built up Gernamy to the point where he was able to take on everyone and I hate to say it, if he hadnt attacked russia he may have won.


No. He believed in survival of the fitest. His government was anarchic with many agencies overlapping and fighting for power. He rebuilt germany with international funding, kicking women out of the factories and into motherhood(so they didnt count as unemployed) and huge government programs.
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I hate hitler he was a horrible person His international policies were apauling and still are.
But you can't make you hate for him blind you from the truth, hitler was a stratigizing genius, a political genius, and carisma that would make you kill your own mother.

He came up with some great plans but all he did was take other peoples ideas. Blitzkreig was first espoused by a Brit for example. He had a vision, men of vision are powerful. BUT still most Germans never voted for him. AND many couldnt understand his broad austrian accent and laughed at his crazy speeches.]

On top of the holocaust, let us remember
these deaths

Canada 26,976
Austria 280,000
China 1,324,516
france 210,000
Germany 3,250,000
Japan 1,270,000
Poland 664,000
USSR 6,115,000
England 357,116
United States 291,558
and millions more from other countries.
(it was estimated that about 10 - 13 million died total in the USSR (The from their wounds later on)

and most importantly the 6 million Jews from many countires in europe that were mainly inocent civilians.[/quote]

I never forget. My grandfathers both fought. One in India as a technician and one as a risistance operative in occupied Denmark.

This has nothing to do with why we allow atrocities still in our supposedly modern age.

[Canada_Rocks]

We can't really do anything about modern atrocities today, that is a fact, we can only do something about our own policy.

I don't understand how "people didn't vote for him" or "survival of the fittest" makes him a horrible leader. You have to think where Germany was situated. The countries that surrounded it. The russians were even worse when it came to traetment of it's civilians. There was also a strong support of german suppiriority and a strongre sentment for the west after WWI.

[Demothenes]

The_Right_Honourable wrote: Its the 60th celebration of Austwitz! Yay! :lol:



WTF?

Was that really necessary?

[Orions]

When you get right down to it, it's not that easy to pinpoint the reason why Holocaust is so well-known, whereas the tragedy of many other nations is not. However I think the fact that it happened in Europe is the most important reason. I think that if it had ever happened in North America, the reaction would be more or less the same. But very similar things happening in Africa or Asia don't attract that much attention.

My guess would be that the reason for this is, that we (meaning Europeans and Americans) deep down in our thoughts consider ourselves "advanced" cultures, while Africa, Asia are more "savage". And, consequently, we think that it is impossible that such a thing should happen in our "advanced" culture. Of course, such point of view is (IMO) totally invalid and to be quite frank, I'm not very proud of it, to say the least. But nevertheless.... it just seems to be the way people think. Maybe even not consciously.

Personally, I'm far too young to be affected by the Holocaust, Hitler or Nazism in any way, but still, living in Poland, some memories are still quite fresh. Not to mention that most of us (Poles) was "just a little bit" irritated when some international newspapers referred to Auschwitz as "Polish camp", meaning that the Poles ran the place.... That goes to show, that even as the Holocaust is much spoken of, there are still many misunderstandings. Which also makes one realize how little do we now about the less-known atrocities, such as Yugoslavia, Rwanda and so on.

[angusrae]

Surely as a Polish person you will feel anger at the apparent forgetfulness of the world at the loss of many Poles who were not Jewish in the concentration Camps. We (British and Americans) sometimes forget that Hitlers Hate was not sole focused on the Communists and Jews. He Wanted rid of the Romany,Slavs and many other Eastern European Races. He really wasn't that fond of Catholics or Lutheran Priests/Ministers Either and let us not forget the Polish Troops and Officers That the Soviet Army Murder at Katyn and other places that figure was 15000 with 1.5 million poles being sent into Labour Camps in Russia

[Roxanne of the world]

i agree with the Canadian guy. Germany was in ruines, and Hitler was a strong confident leaer who brought about much needed social change. Brining hope to the Germans. Although he got power hungry and things went out of control. i m not a nazi.

Another thing why are we celebration the 60th aniversiry of Austwitz? is like a death day party, or yay it doesnt exist?

[thundertaker]

Roxanne of the world wrote:

Another thing why are we celebration the 60th aniversiry of Austwitz? is like a death day party, or yay it doesnt exist?

Makes as much sense as the average wake.......

[jjhays]

Well this was the first time in recorded history that a goverment went through a organized effort to eliminate people on a wide scale. Lets remember the mass killings in Russia as well not just the camps.

[Alexander The Great]

The_Right_Honourable wrote: Its the 60th celebration of Austwitz! Yay! :lol:

But were still not dealing with Sudan and many other atrocious things across the globe.

Also you hear the holocaust being called "Unique".

Only in its efficiency. Which considering how badly the Nazi's ran Germany was quite an acheivement. Namibia, Armenia, Tibet, Yugoslavia, Ancient Gaul, Ancient Mesepotamia, Kosovo.

Its happened before itll probably happen again.

So why is the holocaust/The Nazi's such a delicate subject? Prince Harry dresses as a Nazi and all hell breaks lose. Ken Livingston calls a reporter a Nazi and the Jewish council try to get him fired.

And why do so many people seem to use anti-semetism as an excuse to let Isreal get away with murder, literally.

Because the PA is anti semite against us.
It's not against Zionism, it's against the " Jewish Pig ".

[rainidame]

The_Right_Honourable wrote: Its the 60th celebration of Austwitz! Yay! :lol:

But were still not dealing with Sudan and many other atrocious things across the globe.

Also you hear the holocaust being called "Unique".

Only in its efficiency. Which considering how badly the Nazi's ran Germany was quite an acheivement. Namibia, Armenia, Tibet, Yugoslavia, Ancient Gaul, Ancient Mesepotamia, Kosovo.

Its happened before itll probably happen again.

So why is the holocaust/The Nazi's such a delicate subject? Prince Harry dresses as a Nazi and all hell breaks lose. Ken Livingston calls a reporter a Nazi and the Jewish council try to get him fired.

And why do so many people seem to use anti-semetism as an excuse to let Isreal get away with murder, literally.

:clapping: I have never really thought myself anti-semitic, until I got on forums like these wherein I learned that if you say one little word about the jews being anything less than perfect victims, you are a nazi, anti-semitic, _________. Explititive of choice in the blank.

I just accept that they are incapable of fair judgement and accept their misinformation. I know I'm not anti-semitic. Don't need their approval, but their attitudes certainly escalate the probability that I will ultimately become a true anti-semite.

[rainidame]

Actually, now that I think of it, Alpina says hes a german catholic. Well, it doesn't seem fair to let a german catholic escalate my potential anti-semitism. So I won't. But why would a catholic keep getting online, day after day, sounding like whiny jew. Hmmmm....maybe so I will become more anti-semitic. HMMMMM.

[Alexander The Great]

rainidame wrote: The_Right_Honourable wrote: Its the 60th celebration of Austwitz! Yay! :lol:

But were still not dealing with Sudan and many other atrocious things across the globe.

Also you hear the holocaust being called "Unique".

Only in its efficiency. Which considering how badly the Nazi's ran Germany was quite an acheivement. Namibia, Armenia, Tibet, Yugoslavia, Ancient Gaul, Ancient Mesepotamia, Kosovo.

Its happened before itll probably happen again.

So why is the holocaust/The Nazi's such a delicate subject? Prince Harry dresses as a Nazi and all hell breaks lose. Ken Livingston calls a reporter a Nazi and the Jewish council try to get him fired.

And why do so many people seem to use anti-semetism as an excuse to let Isreal get away with murder, literally.

:clapping: I have never really thought myself anti-semitic, until I got on forums like these wherein I learned that if you say one little word about the jews being anything less than perfect victims, you are a nazi, anti-semitic, _________. Explititive of choice in the blank.

I just accept that they are incapable of fair judgement and accept their misinformation. I know I'm not anti-semitic. Don't need their approval, but their attitudes certainly escalate the probability that I will ultimately become a true anti-semite.

I don't agree with anti semites.
But I've read some of your posts and you're not anti semite, for sure.
We're not perfect victims, that's right.
But we're still victims of their hate.