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[ALPINA]

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The religion of peace is disturbing the peace of the dead ... but since they're unbelievers, they probably don't count anyway ...





Somalis build mosque on cemetery
Wednesday, 26 January, 2005, 12:27 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4208771.stm

Somali militiamen have begun building a mosque on the site of an Italian colonial-era cemetery in Mogadishu, which they desecrated last week.
The BBC's Mohammed Olad Hassan saw a small corrugated metal structure amid the coffins which litter the area.

He says the capital has been very tense since the armed militia group occupied the cemetery last week.

The Italian government has described the graves' desecration as barbaric.

The decision to build a mosque has been condemned by many local residents, as well as by local Islamic authorities. (Condemned by local Islamic authorities? Does anyone truly beleive that?)

Remains dumped

The militia exhumed the human remains of some 700 graves and dumped them near Mogadishu airport.


Facts and figures about life in Somalia


At-a-glance


The chairman of the Somali Clerics Council, Sheik Nur Barood Gurhan, said under Islamic law the militia men were not allowed to construct the mosque without the permission of the land's owners.

The militiamen told our correspondent that they were building the mosque for local people.

But residents near the cemetery said they were unhappy with the situation and threatened to kick the militias out.

Mogadishu was under Italian colonial control until World War II and many of the graves belong to Italian soldiers and expatriates.

Somalia has not had a functioning national government since 1991 and rival militias have divided it into a patchwork of fiefdoms.

A new Somali government has been named and is due to start relocating to Mogadishu from Kenya on 1 February.

But Mogadishu remains a dangerous city and its chief of police, in charge of investigating the cemetery's destruction, was assassinated by gunmen last week.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4208771.stm

[Nico]

ALPINA wrote: Quote:

The religion of peace is disturbing the peace of the dead ... but since they're unbelievers, they probably don't count anyway ...







You could possibly be the most offensive person walking the earth today.

If you want to make a point, just state it, and quit with racist sh*t like this picture.

'Racist?' you might say,'how?'
Substitute the word 'muslim' for 'Jew' in the picture and suddenly you look rather like a brownshirt.

I honestly don't know how you have got away with half the xenophobic cr*p you have posted.

[ALPINA]

Quote: You could possibly be the most offensive person walking the earth today.

If you want to make a point, just state it, and quit with racist sh*t like this picture.

'Racist?' you might say,'how?'
Substitute the word 'muslim' for 'Jew' in the picture and suddenly you look rather like a brownshirt.

I honestly don't know how you have got away with half the xenophobic cr*p you have posted.

Now cut the crap and think for a minute:

If a Jewish/Christian terror gang went around cutting the heads off randomly picked moslem victims, what would be the reaction of the Jewish/Christian communities in the world ?

Millions of people in the streets of the worlds metropoles, thousands of preachers/priests/rabbis condemning the act, and the pope himself would excommunicate the terrorists if they were Roman Catholics ...

Now France alone got six million moslem immigrants, free to demonstrate and raise their voice under the protection of French law ( I know that people in Saudi-Arabia or Egypt are not allowed to demonstrate, except if the demo was organized by high clerics or the dictator himself ... ) - yet I haven't seen even a demonstration of one thousand moslems in Paris, protesting against the horrendous crimes committed on a daily basis against the Iraqi people and the coalition soldiers and aid organizers, all in the name of Islam.

How come ?
Do the six million moslems in France just not care about their Iraqi brothers in faith ?
Or do they embrace the acts of the terrorist jihadis ?

Silence means consent in German jurisdiction ... if you fail to object to something though given the chance ( in Iran or Syria the people ain't got that chance, since they would face severe punishment for voicing their objections, so they're excused ) you implicitly give your consent to the action.

It's sickening to see the failure of the moslem immigrants here to refute the jihadis.

[Achilles The Myrmidon]

Your friends the turks turn Churches to mosques "bavarian".

[Achilles The Myrmidon]

Nice picture :tu:

[Nico]

Alpina.

This is what you have done.
You don't get it now, but maybe your children will.

[ALPINA]

The Jews have been victims throughut their 5,765 years of history ... whereas the moslems have been brutal aggressors right from the start under Mohammed.

You should purchase a good encyclopedia ( MS Encarta is a reasonably priced and usable one ) and read up on the history of both religions ...

[Nico]

ALPINA wrote: The Jews have been victims throughut their 5,765 years of history ... whereas the moslems have been brutal aggressors right from the start under Mohammed.

You should purchase a good encyclopedia ( MS Encarta is a reasonably priced and usable one ) and read up on the history of both religions ...

I'd take your advice if I actually rated you.
But 'you got nothing'. But do carry on a fine tradition of xenophobic mouth breathing.
The only tragedy is watching you post what you think is pertinent.

[ALPINA]

As they say, you can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink ...

If you refuse to learn about history, I can't help you ...

[Nico]

ALPINA wrote: As they say, you can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink ...

If you refuse to learn about history, I can't help you ...

I got your history right here.
You make a 3rd grader look like a diplomat.

[ALPINA]

Anaximander wrote: ALPINA wrote: As they say, you can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink ...

If you refuse to learn about history, I can't help you ...

I got your history right here.
You make a 3rd grader look like a diplomat.

So your only objection is that it was "not nice" to point the facts out bluntly ... :?

[Nico]

ALPINA wrote:

So your only objection is that it was "not nice" to point the facts out bluntly ... :?


I can just see you at the trial. :lol:


Here's the bottom line; It's easy to dig up dirt on any race or religion. To paint it as absolute and representative is disingenuous.

Here's a few Bavarians. Took all of five seconds to find.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWgoring.htm

http://www.google.co.nz/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=Bavarian+war+crimes&meta=&btnG=Google+Search

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-22/tgmwc-22-209-05.shtml

Now we must see all Bavarians as despotic figures with a global agenda?

The picture you posted was unnecessary to the argument and just reminded me eerily of that anti-jewish one. It reeked like a dead fish.

[Nico]

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Seeing the similarity yet. Look at one, look at the other.

[ALPINA]

:roll:

[Kalu]

That's one of the most insensitive and ignorant pictures I've ever had the displeasure of seeing. Way to make an idiotic statement. :roll:

Oh yeah, it's funny you should post that picture (insinuating Muslims are bloodthirsty subhumans), seeing as how Christianity has a history of blood:

Let's see, centuries of evangelism, oppression, despotism, imperialism, colonialism, segregation and racism. You have such wonderful events in history to choose from like the Spanish inquisition, colonization of the Middle East, the rape of Africa, slavery in the Americas, the Native American genocide, colonization of the Indian subcontinent, and the attempt to wipe out centuries of cultural history by Christian empires (with the help of evangelical missionaries).

Anaximander:

Quote: Here's the bottom line; It's easy to dig up dirt on any race or religion. To paint it as absolute and representative is disingenuous.

Exactly.

Quote: Silence means consent in German jurisdiction ... if you fail to object to something though given the chance ( in Iran or Syria the people ain't got that chance, since they would face severe punishment for voicing their objections, so they're excused ) you implicitly give your consent to the action.

Just because moderate Muslims across the world are silent doesn't mean they are giving their consent to the action. It just means many are tired. After the U.S., Britain, and other countries funded the mujahedin and radical Islamists, colonized and divided their peoples, they're tired. Because they know myopic persons such as yourself will continue to blame them for everything. Besides, you failed to mention this:

Quote: The decision to build a mosque has been condemned by many local residents, as well as by local Islamic authorities.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4208771.stm

Quote: But another reason for his killing has been advanced: Gen Sarinle had also been in charge of investigating the recent destruction of an Italian colonial cemetery by militiamen in Mogadishu.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4200083.stm

Even with no gov't. there was a police investigation by Somali forces to find out who destroyed the colonial cemetery and to charge those who did it.

So your whole point about Muslim inaction is essentially void. If a group of Christians were to dig up Muslim graves in say, Chechnya, there would probably be an equal amount of press attention given to that and an equal global condemnation.

Also, it's interesting because the graves that were dug up were those of Italian colonists (of course, digging up graves can never have justification but this is to provide insight as to why perhaps there was such little regard for the cemetery by the militias). Colonialism's effects can still be seen. Before colonialism, greater Somalia was relatively peaceful. Clans and ethnic groups got along fairly well. Then the Italians and British came, created arbitrary borders and killed many. And now you are saying that Muslims are to blame for all these problems? Hah.

Of course Islam has done it's share to contribute to global problems. But to try and blame everything on the Muslims along with making insensitive comments and posting idiotic pictures is just plain, old-fashioned, vanilla-flavored dumb.

[Voice of Reason]

Quote: Before colonialism, greater Somalia was relatively peaceful.

This could be true. Before King Yeshaq attacked Somalia, I am unaware of any strife involving the nation. The brutally of Ethiopias colonisation of Somalia and Somalias response was bone chilling. What was really interesting is how Ethiopia begged for Portugese help when they started to get their tails kicked. I suppose evil Europeans served a use afterall?

It was fortunate for the Ethiopians that they were rescued because the Somali armies were brutal in their response and were poised to destroy Ethiopia once and for all.