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[Canada_Rocks]

Funny thing
A week ago South Park the movie was shown on a local Canadian TV station here in Vancouver at 9.pm uncut.
I instantly thought about how Americans would have a heart attack if they saw it.
Mind you I must admitt that it was a little over the top and should have been aired a bit later.
However. Before this was aired it had CSI on and it had a dead guy on a stretcher and they were cutting him open but hat gets aired in America.

My question is how can Americans show suck disturbing things (although we do to in Canada) but then wave such an angry fist to swearing and Janet Jacksons nipple.?
Whats your opinion?
Do you think America should tighten up on guns and violece or be more open to bad language?

[timmtc]

Janet Jackson's nipple slip was viewed by minors. The reason it is such a big deal is because it was on live television, and the families were not warned of the nudity and I think the superbowl was rated PG or something.

[David]

Canada_rocks wrote: Funny thing
A week ago South Park the movie was shown on a local Canadian TV station here in Vancouver at 9.pm uncut.
I instantly thought about how Americans would have a heart attack if they saw it.


What makes you think we haven't seen it.It's a few years old you know and has been on television here twice that I know of just in December

[Canada_Rocks]

"What makes you think we haven't seen it.It's a few years old you know and has been on television here twice that I know of just in December"

So your saying it was uncut on regular televion, that's funny, every american station we get here is ridiculously edited..but the tonnes of violece is still there.

Tmmtc.
Minors. that's not the point. It's a breast. It just seems so unbelievable for a nation to push for gun rights and show such deplorable violence on TV to get so upset over swearing and a half covered nipple.
It seems that America accepts violence more than potty mouth.
Will all the bible thumpers please stand up.
It is like with MSN messenger a year ago. you couldnt put any swearing in your handle but I can messsage everyone on my list and threaten to kill them all.
I've seen american shows with censored words and I can tell you exactly what they are saying...they just sped up. The play on words like "Meet the Fockers" everybody knows what it means.(including the poor poor minors tmmtc)
The point is why censor swearing and accept violence.
Freedom to bare arms, what about freedom of speech.

[timmtc]

Sorry, how do gun rights come into play?

I really don't understand the point of your post, it seems as if you are trying to lure people in for something. Don't forget, we live in a country that censors everything, we should be complaining about that, not how the Americans do it.

[Canada_Rocks]

The point isn't how they censor everything. Its how they can censor something trivial and let other things like violence get through.
The gun issue is just an example.
How can guns be so accepted an accessable but swearing in not aloud.
there is no trap here. i just want americans opinions on this.
Yes Canada does censor alot. But it does it consistantly and prioritized.

This is International issues isnt it. So why are 2 Canadians debating this.

[timmtc]

You type your paragraphs like a poem, its neat. One line per paragraph :P

[Canada_Rocks]

yeah it's habbit. The box is so small that you write into it gets all jummbled.
It can be my signiture ranting style.

[LarryGarrett]

Canada Rocks, why shouldn't two Canadians debate it? Use your "freedome of speech.".....Aside from that I really don't see the tie between South Partk and Janet Jackson's nipple. The incident over her breast exposure has been publicized throughout the world. The reason for the American public's reaction is well-known and been explained on literally every talk show on the air waves, and you apparently watch a lot of television for your news.

Tighten-up on guns and violence and be more open to bad language? What kind of question is that? Are you not capable of defining exactly what it is you want to say? I think your fellow-Canuck said it best. You are trying to lure someone into something, perhaps some American bashing. But that's okay, you are free to do do........This will be easy.

[Canada_Rocks]

No american bashing, only american policy bashing.
What exactly would I be luring people into...A DEBATE
Ahh the common blog rebutal. Attack the composition of the post not the

You know exactly what i'm saying.
"Violence and guns okay"
"swearing and nipple bad"
why is that?
understand
what in american culture or in some of american culture guns and violece acceptable and swearing is not tollerated at all.

[res ipsa]

The point of the the nipple deal (pardon the pun) is that in some ways the U.S. is puritanical. The big three networks have long been censored/constrained. Bono dropped the f-bomb during primetime and there were a few other instances where r-rated material was uttered. On the three network, it is just not acceptable to the FCC to have boobs on display on a Sunday afternoon.
Re the South Park movie, it is shown completely uncut on Comedy Central at 12 midnight during the socalled "safe harbor" hours. I think those run until 6 a.m. Heck they had a Richard Pryor concert on completely uncut who makes South Park look like Sunday school. You can have the heavy stuff just not during primetime. Our socalled celebrities have been pushing the envelope alot but as I say, we here are still puritanical in some ways. Now that just is how it is. Whether this is agreeable w/ a quasi european sensability (not an insult) is besides the point. Boobs during a football game which everyone tunes into is just not going to happen no matter who is prsdt or running the FCC at least for the time being. Besides, it was a crass publicity stunt by Janet and Jason/Justin.
Look at it this way: during the intermission of Game 7 of the Cup finals, does anyone really want to see a boob on the pond?
P.S. I hope we get hockey back soon

[Canada_Rocks]

Res ispa
Thank you

[LarryGarrett]

Canada Rocks, what is typical is your vast generalization of what you see as American.

The answer to the question you now offer is that a free society evolves over many decades. Two hundred years ago in America, Europe, and even now in Arab countries, exposing parts of the female body were looked at in a very disdainful way, perhaps even taboo under penelty of death. However, over the years it is evident that most of these cultures have changed, and they are still changing. Perhaps one taboo disappears before another, while other taboos gradually evolve into something more sutle that the given society will accept as "status quo."

As well, allow me to pose a "general" question to you in regard to Canadian Culture. What in Canadian Culture encourages some Quebec Seperatists to urge violence, while other seperatists abhor the thought of it? Now, I"m just using "violence" as an example. There are many issues tied to this: language, independence, trade, defencse, immigration, pensions, auto production, government. Canada is a nation which reportedly has nearly stopped funding its armed forces, so where does the desire for violence come from? There are not near as many guns in Canada as The U.S., so where did this desire for violence come from? Does Canadian Culture encourage this?..........See bud, I don't know the answer, but I sincerely doubt that somethning in Canadian Culture intentionally encourages violence. People are people, and people like you enjoy painiting Americans in a negative light.

As your fellow Canack said, "Sorry, how do gun rights come into play? I really don't understand the point of your post, it seems as if you are trying to lure people in for something. Don't forget, we live in a country that censors everything, we should be complaining about that, not how the Americans do it." You're concerned about "freedom of speech" in America?

[Canada_Rocks]

I dotn know which country Timtc accually..lives in but Canada isnt nearly as censored as the sataes...
I'm not luring anyone nor american bashing..Im republican bashing..get ir right
.

[Crazy_Canuck]

LarryGarret

Could you elaborate as to why:
"Canada is a nation which reportedly has nearly stopped funding its armed forces, so where does the desire for violence come from?"

What I mean is, if those Quebecors ARE insiting violence wouldn't we be maintaining a strong army to counteract them?

And I don't believe that the point of the initial post is to put Americans in any sort of light. It seems like a casual observation that he wanted some feedback on.

[timmtc]

Canada_rocks wrote: I dotn know which country Timtc accually..lives in but Canada isnt nearly as censored as the sataes...
I'm not luring anyone nor american bashing..Im republican bashing..get ir right
.

Are you joking? Please, tell me you are otherwise you have just proven your ignorance on ALL canadian policies.

Have you ever heard of the CRTC? Why can't I watch ESPN or HBO in Canada? It is because the Canadian government censors it. The CBC is a government news organization, to my knowledge...we are the only non communist country with a government owned news organization. Media restrictions are a prime characteristic of communism.

The main difference between the US media and Canadian media, is the US media uses language filters, and cuts out violent scenes in movies that air on public television. Canadian media actually dictates what we can and cannot watch, which is a direct violation of the charter of rights and freedoms. Tell me, do you think the government should tell you if you are allowed to watch HBO or not? I don't.

[Crazy_Canuck]

Timmtc,

"Have you ever heard of the CRTC? Why can't I watch ESPN or HBO in Canada? It is because the Canadian government censors it."

Isn't censorship the practice of prohibiting something based on moral or otherwise subjective standards?

Because in the ESPN case it is done to protect Canadian channels offering the same service. Besides, have you heard of satelite? You CAN get all the channels you want there.

"Canadian media actually dictates what we can and cannot watch, which is a direct violation of the charter of rights and freedoms."

Where do you get this from? Show me an instance where a story was held back because the government didn't want it known. Really this is new to me!

[Canada_Rocks]

government own.....CNN might as well be same with fox. give me a break
I got some ocean front property you can buy fro 1 dollar..seriously.

[timmtc]

So you believe in government censorship, i see.

[Canada_Rocks]

oh yeah...we also have canadian content laws..
so we can appreciate Canadian broadcasting rather than be subjected to american media rederict 24/7