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Eonve · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 754

FrankMann wrote: Eonve wrote: Diogenes wrote:
Does that mean you approve of terror as a political tactic?

i would not like to use it, but in some exceptional circumstance, it is the only possible way.
And what are these exceptional circumstances... would it be when someone has superior intellect and superior debating skills and won't just go away and leave you alone? Who gets to decide when it's OK?... Some irrational hotheaded fool?

i can give you an example of execptional circumstance. after the monarchs of Europe has realized that the French revolution posed a threat to all of them and that its success would substantialy increase the chances of the same thing happening in their country they have sent their troops to support French monarchy. republic was in danger of destruction. but through the measures that would seem excessive in some other time Robespierre has managed to mobilize the population and to defeat the enemies of the revolution. it does not matter how much you don't like it, there were goals to be achieved and the use of terror helped to achieve them. who knows what would happen otherwise and in what kind of world we would be living now was it not for what has happened from 1789 to 1794.

as for gets to decide, i think that the leader of the country is to decide as always. it's quite easy and simple.

Eonve · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 754

d_the_sandman wrote:
Damn Eonve...looks like youre not getting a lot of support from this forum for your "final solution". But don't worry...we're just all too stupid to see what you see, oh great one. You don't have to respond intelligently if you don't want to.

well, i did not expect a lot of support from narrowminded, freedom crazy people that are found on this forum. it's ok. those who can cut through the jungle of bias and prejudice will see that the rule based on intelligence is much better than the rule based on the choice of stupid people.

Achilles The Myrmidon · Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 4649 Location: Hellas

Are u more crazy that i thought?U just give an example of people who was rebel against the "elite".But yes u are right some people(the ones that believed that are superior from others like the Europeans monarchs u just give as an example) should get "special" treatment.Lunatics like Hitler,Stalin and....U.

d_the_sandman · Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 3498 Location: Austin, Texas

Eonve wrote: well, i did not expect a lot of support from narrowminded, freedom crazy people that are found on this forum. it's ok. those who can cut through the jungle of bias and prejudice will see that the rule based on intelligence is much better than the rule based on the choice of stupid people.

Yeah...that damn freedom.

Eonve...you are missing the point of being alive. Haven't you ever been in love? Don't you have any empathy for us humans? I know we are below you, especially those of us who are not of pure anglo-saxon descent...but can you please show us mercy when you are part of the ruling class of intelligent racists? (there's an oxymoron for you)

Eonve · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 754

d_the_sandman wrote: Eonve wrote: well, i did not expect a lot of support from narrowminded, freedom crazy people that are found on this forum. it's ok. those who can cut through the jungle of bias and prejudice will see that the rule based on intelligence is much better than the rule based on the choice of stupid people.

Yeah...that damn freedom.

Eonve...you are missing the point of being alive. Haven't you ever been in love? Don't you have any empathy for us humans? I know we are below you, especially those of us who are not of pure anglo-saxon descent...but can you please show us mercy when you are part of the ruling class of intelligent racists? (there's an oxymoron for you)

i have not really been in love, but i have a lot of pity for you humans. if i would ever rule the people it would be completely out of pity and the feeling of duty. i don't have any other reason to accept power.

if it was up to me what to do, i would exile myself from the world. i would buy a huge house, buy as many good books as i can find, get lots of food and Coke and would read and study and write and do all that kind of fun stuff. i would rather be a scholar than a practitioner and i would rather be alone than with stupid people. it is only out of pity and duty that i agree to compromise my desires and participate in all these wordly things.

and i am tired of repeating that it's not about race. when will you get it? i know that you would very much like me to say that all our problems are because of black people, but why should i say it if that it not what i think. it is stupidity and foolishness of the people that i object not the color of their skin.

and that point about freedom. can you not understand that there is more to life than freedom? do you really think that freedom is the ultimate achievement?

Achilles The Myrmidon · Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 4649 Location: Hellas

Ok why this freak always says "you humans"?What the hell he believes he is?Alien?

d_the_sandman · Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 3498 Location: Austin, Texas

Eonve wrote: and i am tired of repeating that it's not about race. when will you get it? i know that you would very much like me to say that all our problems are because of black people, but why should i say it if that it not what i think. it is stupidity and foolishness of the people that i object not the color of their skin.

So you deny the opinions of progression of that race that I have sent to you through our PM conversation?

And yes...you are racist. And you are scared of big african penises.

Eonve wrote: and that point about freedom. can you not understand that there is more to life than freedom? do you really think that freedom is the ultimate achievement?

I am very aware that there is more to life than freedom. But freedom and free will are essential to a moral society. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely...you cannot have an all-powerful ruling class unless you have a completely powerless under-class. How is this a positive thing to you? Because you believe you would be part of that ruling class? Think again Eonve...you would be in the same boat as us you internet nerd (I know...look at how much Im on here). If you were really part of the elite social circle that you champion...you would not be conversing with the likes of D the Sandman.

Eonve · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 754

d_the_sandman wrote:
So you deny the opinions of progression of that race that I have sent to you through our PM conversation?

And yes...you are racist. And you are scared of big african penises.

where do you get all this shi* from?

Quote: I am very aware that there is more to life than freedom. But freedom and free will are essential to a moral society. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely...

freedom is at least as promoting moral corruption as power. however, freedom is enjoed by most of the society and therefore corruption spreads faster and easier. while power is usually concentrated in some limited group of people and therefore corruption is limited to them. which one do you like more? widespread corruption/immorality of all people, or limited corruption/immorality of the few?

Quote: you cannot have an all-powerful ruling class unless you have a completely powerless under-class. How is this a positive thing to you? Because you believe you would be part of that ruling class? Think again Eonve...you would be in the same boat as us you internet nerd (I know...look at how much Im on here). If you were really part of the elite social circle that you champion...you would not be conversing with the
likes of D the Sandman.

i told you what i would like to do. i would not like to become a part of the elite and rule as the king of kings. give me lots of books, food, Coke and a place where to sleep and don't let anyone stupid come close to me and i will be as happy as a man can be.

Achilles The Myrmidon · Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 4649 Location: Hellas

Why u don't go to live by your self then?Who hold u?Go and be happy.No one will missed u because no one likes u anyway u freak.

d_the_sandman · Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 3498 Location: Austin, Texas

Eonve wrote: freedom is at least as promoting moral corruption as power. however, freedom is enjoed by most of the society and therefore corruption spreads faster and easier. while power is usually concentrated in some limited group of people and therefore corruption is limited to them. which one do you like more? widespread corruption/immorality of all people, or limited corruption/immorality of the few?

History is not on your side in this debate. Any example that you could possibly come up with of an elite ruling class making decisions for a majority population of people with perceived lower intelligence...has resulted in total corruption of the leadership in place. You can not give men that much power and expect them to do good with it.

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

Eonve wrote: d_the_sandman wrote: Eonve wrote: well, i did not expect a lot of support from narrowminded, freedom crazy people that are found on this forum. it's ok. those who can cut through the jungle of bias and prejudice will see that the rule based on intelligence is much better than the rule based on the choice of stupid people.

Yeah...that damn freedom.

Eonve...you are missing the point of being alive. Haven't you ever been in love? Don't you have any empathy for us humans? I know we are below you, especially those of us who are not of pure anglo-saxon descent...but can you please show us mercy when you are part of the ruling class of intelligent racists? (there's an oxymoron for you)

i have not really been in love, but i have a lot of pity for you humans. if i would ever rule the people it would be completely out of pity and the feeling of duty. i don't have any other reason to accept power.

if it was up to me what to do, i would exile myself from the world. i would buy a huge house, buy as many good books as i can find, get lots of food and Coke and would read and study and write and do all that kind of fun stuff. i would rather be a scholar than a practitioner and i would rather be alone than with stupid people. it is only out of pity and duty that i agree to compromise my desires and participate in all these wordly things.

and i am tired of repeating that it's not about race. when will you get it? i know that you would very much like me to say that all our problems are because of black people, but why should i say it if that it not what i think. it is stupidity and foolishness of the people that i object not the color of their skin.

and that point about freedom. can you not understand that there is more to life than freedom? do you really think that freedom is the ultimate achievement?

For us "humans"?

It's pretty easy to exile yourself from the world now. Think about it. Use that superior intellect you keep referring to.

Newsflash for you sparky: If you are alone, you WILL be with stupid "people". OK, maybe not stupid - but extremely narrow minded and bigoted.

"If you are a hateful person - go spend some quality time with yourself."

You say that it's not about race, but it is. It's entirely about race. Race does not necessarily mean the color of ones skin -

Quote: race1 Audio pronunciation of "race" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
n.

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology.
1. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
2. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

[French, from Old French, from Old Italian razza, race, lineage.]

Usage Note: The notion of race is nearly as problematic from a scientific point of view as it is from a social one. European physical anthropologists of the 17th and 18th centuries proposed various systems of racial classifications based on such observable characteristics as skin color, hair type, body proportions, and skull measurements, essentially codifying the perceived differences among broad geographic populations of humans. The traditional terms for these populationsCaucasoid (or Caucasian), Mongoloid, Negroid, and in some systems Australoidare now controversial in both technical and nontechnical usage, and in some cases they may well be considered offensive. (Caucasian does retain a certain currency in American English, but it is used almost exclusively to mean “white” or “European” rather than “belonging to the Caucasian race,” a group that includes a variety of peoples generally categorized as nonwhite.) The biological aspect of race is described today not in observable physical features but rather in such genetic characteristics as blood groups and metabolic processes, and the groupings indicated by these factors seldom coincide very neatly with those put forward by earlier physical anthropologists. Citing this and other pointssuch as the fact that a person who is considered black in one society might be nonblack in another many cultural anthropologists now consider race to be more a social or mental construct than an objective biological fact.

So you would rather have a society not based upon freedom, but based upon elitism. Is that right?

My advice to you, is that you had better enjoy being by yourself. Be happy in fact, that you have never been in love. With your attitude and superiority complex - you will never be given the chance to love. That is a fact.

Who draws the line? Who decides?

And -- are you positive that you are as intelligent as you think you are?

You had better think again - hard.

Eonve · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 754

d_the_sandman wrote:
History is not on your side in this debate. Any example that you could possibly come up with of an elite ruling class making decisions for a majority population of people with perceived lower intelligence...has resulted in total corruption of the leadership in place. You can not give men that much power and expect them to do good with it.

as usual you choose to be very selective in the part of my posts that you adress. should i just automatically assume that you agree with the rest.

what do you think about this:

Quote: however, freedom is enjoed by most of the society and therefore corruption spreads faster and easier.

and this:

Quote: which one do you like more? widespread corruption/immorality of all people, or limited corruption/immorality of the few?

as for the history, do you think that our society is as moral today as it was, say two centuries ago? yes or no? better or worse?

Eonve · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 754

TheGirlNextDoor wrote:
For us "humans"?

It's pretty easy to exile yourself from the world now. Think about it. Use that superior intellect you keep referring to.

Newsflash for you sparky: If you are alone, you WILL be with stupid "people". OK, maybe not stupid - but extremely narrow minded and bigoted.

exile would be very nice. if i could, i would sure xile myself. it would be so nice. just me, my books, food, Coke and no one else. it would be like heaven on earth. i would think through all the elements of my system and would improve it a lot from what it is like now. it would be so much fun. political theory and philosophy is the most interesting thing in the world. perhaps there is only one thing that could be better than exile. i wish i could have a planet to play with. not for the sake of power and control of the people's lives. it just would be very nice to test in practice all the political theories i can come up with and get enough data to figure out which one workes the best. i would love to have this kind of "testing ground". it would advance the political theory very, very much.

Quote: "If you are a hateful person - go spend some quality time with yourself."

oh, i do. and i cannot tell you how much i love and enjoy it.

Quote: cultural anthropologists now consider race to be more a social or mental construct than an objective biological fact.[/b]

of course it is a social construct and it has always been. what's wrong with it. do you just like to make random statements about obvious facts?

Quote: So you would rather have a society not based upon freedom, but based upon elitism. Is that right?

i do not want to take away people's freedoms. i just don't want them to vote and screw things up. so in a sense it would be based both on freedom and elitism.

Quote: My advice to you, is that you had better enjoy being by yourself. Be happy in fact, that you have never been in love. With your attitude and superiority complex - you will never be given the chance to love. That is a fact.

this is not a fact. this is just a mere opinion of yours.

Quote: Who draws the line? Who decides?

decides what?

Quote: And -- are you positive that you are as intelligent as you think you are?

positive. as positive as one can ever be.

Quote: You had better think again - hard.

i always think hard unlike some people who make foolish and random posts.

perpetrator · Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:40 pm Post subject:

oh come on eonve. bury this bitterness of yours. just because your is microscopic in comparison doesn't mean it's not there!

and yes, this post is just as relevant as any of those impressive posts of yours where you avoid answering anything. just say it. you can't answer, you're wrong, it's a moronic argumentation. i promise i won't think any less of you than i already do. i mean, it's pretty hard to think any lesser of you right now.

Eonve · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 754

perpetrator wrote: oh come on eonve. bury this bitterness of yours. just because your is microscopic in comparison doesn't mean it's not there!

and yes, this post is just as relevant as any of those impressive posts of yours where you avoid answering anything. just say it. you can't answer, you're wrong, it's a moronic argumentation. i promise i won't think any less of you than i already do. i mean, it's pretty hard to think any lesser of you right now.

perpetrator, i have no idea what this post of yours was about. could you please use conventional english language and stop talking in riddles. i have no intention whatsoever to waste time guessing what you mean.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Eonve wrote: perpetrator wrote: oh come on eonve. bury this bitterness of yours. just because your is microscopic in comparison doesn't mean it's not there!

and yes, this post is just as relevant as any of those impressive posts of yours where you avoid answering anything. just say it. you can't answer, you're wrong, it's a moronic argumentation. i promise i won't think any less of you than i already do. i mean, it's pretty hard to think any lesser of you right now.

perpetrator, i have no idea what this post of yours was about. could you please use conventional english language and stop talking in riddles. i have no intention whatsoever to waste time guessing what you mean.
I think she's saying if you are going to try to run things because you suppose yourself to be more "fit", you had better be correct in your assumption or you are going to have problems.
As far as I've read your posts in this thread you are not fit to rule anything. You might last a week or so. Phonies don't last long in the school of hard knocks.

Eonve · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 754

cap'n queasy wrote:
I think she's saying if you are going to try to run things because you suppose yourself to be more "fit", you had better be correct in your assumption or you are going to have problems.

no, i don'y think so. it looks like she got lost in her own little thoughts and was unable to express them clearly. what else could you expect from her? people like perpetrator are stuck in their inflexible system of beliefs. they are unable to accept or even consider anything that differs from that in which they already believe. consequenlty they start accusing people and ignore the substantive answers that have been given. all of what she has done falls into a very familiar and usual pattern of denial.

Quote: As far as I've read your posts in this thread you are not fit to rule anything. You might last a week or so. Phonies don't last long in the school of hard knocks.

well, may be you should read them again. but after all, your opinion does not matter. i read a lot of your posts and i think that you are simply unable to appreciate the thoughts of other people, unless they agree with you. pretty much like most of the people on this forum.

perpetrator · Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:36 pm Post subject:

hahaha. look who's talking...

you know, i COULD post all my batch of questions again, and you just answer them, one by one. so there's no doubt on how smart you really are. deal?

Eonve · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 754

perpetrator wrote: hahaha. look who's talking...

you know, i COULD post all my batch of questions again, and you just answer them, one by one. so there's no doubt on how smart you really are. deal?

i have answered them over and over again. both in the thread on your HQ and on this thread. i am not going to be your monkey. but you can sure go ahead and post whatever you want and i might show some grace and pay attention to your post and may be, if i am in a good mood, i will honor you with an answer.

Eonve · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 754

and here is a quote for you about elitism in politics.

"Without individuals who invest in democracy to the extent that they orient their life's career around the aspiration to fill its key roles, it is doubtful that any democracy could survive. The central question is not whether there will be a "political elite" or even a "political class" but how that group of representatives will be composed and subsequently held accountable for its actions."

and it is not me speaking, it is from a book called "How to democratize European Union".