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[eynon]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: Eynon81 wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: My guess is the U.S will get fried first....

They can forget about the missile defence shield and the billions of dollars pricetag...they're supposed to be fighting a war on terror.
Terrorists don't launch missiles, they carry them in neat little suitcases....(I think)....:-)

nice smiley(sick grease ball)...and I'm sure on that day you'll have a nice little party celebrating the deaths of so many "arrogant americans"....

LOL.....no I won't Enyon, death of innocents is a tragedy everywhere, including Iraq, Afghanistan, the Occupied Territories, the Sudan the U.S on Sep 11th, etc etc.
however it is the American people who voted for Dubya in a resoundingly convincing election this time around. His policies in Iraq thus far have unfortunately spawned who-knows-how-many Al Qaedas. it is those other Al-Qaedas which have huge potential for catastrophe. THAT"S what I'm afraid of.
Get off yer high horse Enyon, I don't hate Americans, don't know where you got that from.

I won't return your gesture of calling me a grease-ball either. I'll just put it down to you having a bad day.

wow...you place a little smiley on your post talking about Americans getting nuked, and then say that "deaths of innocents is a tragedy everywhere"...please, you would be secretly pleased if an American city went up in a fire-ball, you think we deserve it...I've met loads of Europeans over here who think the same way you do, they often talk about it...especially when they think I'm British or Canadian, amazing the stuff people say about you behind your back. Oh and I wasn't having a bad day, I'm just a dick :wink:

anyway that aside I'd like to add that the Chinese and Taiwanese economies are so intertwined that any aggressive action by either government would result in an enormous economic catastrophe for both countries. So don't expect any military action across the straits anytime soon. The Chinese gov understands that as the 2 nations economies grow closer and closer together the 2 governments will grow closer, their hope is that eventually economic ties and a shared cultural heritage will unite the 2 nations without firing a shot.

also cap'n please explain why Syria will get it first, if you don't mind..... :-D

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: Prophecy about Damascus
Isaiah 17:
1 The oracle concerning Damascus. "Behold, Damascus is about to be removed from being a city And will become a fallen ruin.

2 "The cities of Aroer are forsaken;

They will be for flocks to lie down in,

And there will be no one to frighten them.

3 "The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim,

And sovereignty from Damascus

And the remnant of Aram;

They will be like the glory of the sons of Israel,"

Declares the LORD of hosts.

4 Now in that day the glory of Jacob will fade,

And the fatness of his flesh will become lean.

5 It will be even like the reaper gathering the standing grain,

As his arm harvests the ears,

Or it will be like one gleaning ears of grain

In the valley of Rephaim.

6 Yet gleanings will be left in it like the shaking of an olive tree,

Two or three olives on the topmost bough,

Four or five on the branches of a fruitful tree,

Declares the LORD, the God of Israel.

7 In that day man will have regard for his Maker

And his eyes will look to the Holy One of Israel.

8 He will not have regard for the altars, the work of his hands,

Nor will he look to that which his fingers have made,

Even the Asherim and incense stands.

9 In that day their strong cities will be like forsaken F220 places in the forest,

Or like branches which they abandoned before the sons of Israel;

And the land will be a desolation.

10 For you have forgotten the God of your salvation

And have not remembered the rock of your refuge.

Therefore you plant delightful plants

And set them with vine slips of a strange god.

11 In the day that you plant it you carefully fence it in,

And in the morning you bring your seed to blossom;

But the harvest will be a heap

In a day of sickliness and incurable pain.

12 Alas, the uproar of many peoples

Who roar like the roaring of the seas,

And the rumbling of nations

Who rush on like the rumbling of mighty waters!

13 The nations rumble on like the rumbling of many waters,

But He will rebuke them and they will flee far away,

And be chased like chaff in the mountains before the wind,

Or like whirling dust before a gale.

14 At evening time, behold, there is terror!

Before morning they are no more.

Such will be the portion of those who plunder us

And the lot of those who pillage us.
This is one of the last Biblical Propheies left unfufilled.
Here is another interesting prophecy that I believe describes the same series of events.
Quote: Jerusalem to Be Attacked
1 The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel.

Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him, 2 "Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. 3 "It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it. 4 "In that day," declares the LORD, "I will strike every horse with bewilderment and his rider with madness. But I will watch over the house of Judah, while I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 "Then the clans of Judah will say in their hearts, `A strong support for us are the inhabitants of Jerusalem through the LORD of hosts, their God.'

6 "In that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot among pieces of wood and a flaming torch among sheaves, so they will consume on the right hand and on the left all the surrounding peoples, while the inhabitants of Jerusalem again dwell on their own sites in Jerusalem. 7 "The LORD also will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will not be magnified above Judah. 8 "In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them. 9 "And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. 11 "In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 "The land will mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself and their wives by themselves; 14 all the families that remain, every family by itself and their wives by themselves.
When a peace treaty is signed between Isreal and the PA look out.

[res ipsa]

Spartan, the bad guys werent there before Bush? What? How about those socalled religious leaders or the socalled Arab street doing something to help their people as opposed to recruiting them for a party w/ 72 virgins? Carter did absolutely nothing in 1979 and what has happened since?
Marines get killed in Leb and what did the Reagan do? Withdrew. They blow up the Cole and what did Clinton do? They attack the WTC in 1993 and what did the Clinton do? The extremists were there before Bush and they will be there after Bush.
I realize that the retort is going to be the U.S. supporting corrupt regimes. Ok, kill the leaders of the corrupt regime.

[timmtc]

res ipsa: apparently its okay for them to blow up americans but its not okay for the US army to go and take them out. Thats how it works in the left, its amazing.

[Locke14]

[quote]if North Korea attacks the South, the first nation to attack the North will be China ................. Sighn would though.....[/quote]

Eynon, I agree with your ideas with the exception of a India-Pakistan war where China is militarily involved. If the Chinese leader at the present time (during the India-Pakistan war) had any sense and wanted to bring China to power they would:

Goad the United States into the war, (by claiming it was a danger to the U.S. if there were nukes flying around) while they do nothing about the war (militarily), economically they sell supplies and weapons to the United States, once the United States is in their pocket (not that the U.S. is not already) they strike Taiwan to show absolute control to the Chinese people (propaganda), then the war ends, the result = Three world power contenders battered (India, U.S. and Pakistan) and China sitting at the top economically (Japan right behind) and militarily.

[SpartanPhalanx]

Eynon81 wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: Eynon81 wrote: SpartanPhalanx wrote: My guess is the U.S will get fried first....

They can forget about the missile defence shield and the billions of dollars pricetag...they're supposed to be fighting a war on terror.
Terrorists don't launch missiles, they carry them in neat little suitcases....(I think)....:-)

nice smiley(sick grease ball)...and I'm sure on that day you'll have a nice little party celebrating the deaths of so many "arrogant americans"....

LOL.....no I won't Enyon, death of innocents is a tragedy everywhere, including Iraq, Afghanistan, the Occupied Territories, the Sudan the U.S on Sep 11th, etc etc.
however it is the American people who voted for Dubya in a resoundingly convincing election this time around. His policies in Iraq thus far have unfortunately spawned who-knows-how-many Al Qaedas. it is those other Al-Qaedas which have huge potential for catastrophe. THAT"S what I'm afraid of.
Get off yer high horse Enyon, I don't hate Americans, don't know where you got that from.

I won't return your gesture of calling me a grease-ball either. I'll just put it down to you having a bad day.

wow...you place a little smiley on your post talking about Americans getting nuked, and then say that "deaths of innocents is a tragedy everywhere"...please, you would be secretly pleased if an American city went up in a fire-ball, you think we deserve it...I've met loads of Europeans over here who think the same way you do, they often talk about it...especially when they think I'm British or Canadian, amazing the stuff people say about you behind your back. Oh and I wasn't having a bad day, I'm just a dick :wink:

Amazing how the internet creates its own perceptions hey Enyon?
The smiley had nothing to do whatsoever with killing Americans with a smile on anyone's face. The smiley was intended to be a bit cheeky to any so-called chat room spy who may be reading.....you see.....if I had said Terrorists will use a small suitcase to transfer a nuclear device ... well that may have set off an alarm bell or two whereas by saying "I think" It merely came across as pure conjecture.

Call me parranoid. ..


Quote: I'm just a dick

One thing is for sure.....you don't have the monopoly where that's concerned...... :wink:

[SpartanPhalanx]

timmtc wrote: res ipsa: apparently its okay for them to blow up americans but its not okay for the US army to go and take them out. Thats how it works in the left, its amazing.

Your perception of the "left" is about as close to the mark as a bunch of little green men from Mars taking over the world. :?

[eynon]

Locke14 wrote: Quote: if North Korea attacks the South, the first nation to attack the North will be China ................. Sighn would though.....

Eynon, I agree with your ideas with the exception of a India-Pakistan war where China is militarily involved. If the Chinese leader at the present time (during the India-Pakistan war) had any sense and wanted to bring China to power they would:

Goad the United States into the war, (by claiming it was a danger to the U.S. if there were nukes flying around) while they do nothing about the war (militarily), economically they sell supplies and weapons to the United States, once the United States is in their pocket (not that the U.S. is not already) they strike Taiwan to show absolute control to the Chinese people (propaganda), then the war ends, the result = Three world power contenders battered (India, U.S. and Pakistan) and China sitting at the top economically (Japan right behind) and militarily.

you may be right about the Chinese gov doing nothing, they only do stuff to their own people...but what could they sell us? and their equipment is total crap! Besides right now we have them in our pocket, lets keep it that way....

[Locke14]

They would not sell the United States their weapons: the United States would give them manufacturing plans in order for them to create top of the line weapons for their war in India/Pakistan. Thus the Chinese when the war ends, are left with: Weapons, An open world, and they control the economic state of the world.

Eynon I thought you were smarter than that. :wink: (just kidding)

[eynon]

Locke14 wrote: They would not sell the United States their weapons: the United States would give them manufacturing plans in order for them to create top of the line weapons for their war in India/Pakistan. Thus the Chinese when the war ends, are left with: Weapons, An open world, and they control the economic state of the world.

Eynon I thought you were smarter than that. :wink: (just kidding)

Wait...I'm confused, we're handing them the keys to the kingdom why?

[Locke14]

The United States at the time will not know that they are handing over the "keys to the kingdom" to the Chinese. The U.S. will believe that the Chinese are just using the manufacturing plans to gain economic benefit. As usual the United States will be viewing through a tunnel, and never see the opportunity they just handed to the Chinese.

[eynon]

Locke14 wrote: The United States at the time will not know that they are handing over the "keys to the kingdom" to the Chinese. The U.S. will believe that the Chinese are just using the manufacturing plans to gain economic benefit. As usual the United States will be viewing through a tunnel, and never see the opportunity they just handed to the Chinese.

you don't shop at walmart do you?

[Locke14]

I do, and this matters why?

[eynon]

Locke14 wrote: I do, and this matters why?

Then check out this thread friend : http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16403

it's pretty much true, if you want to avoid this impending war...buy Indian, not Chinese.....

[Locke14]

Oh, I think you misunderstood me, I welcome a change in power and would appreciate it if the Chinese became a dominant world power.

[eynon]

Locke14 wrote: Oh, I think you misunderstood me, I welcome a change in power and would appreciate it if the Chinese became a dominant world power.

(cough, cough)...come again?

[thundertaker]

Ooh, 5th columist.....

[Locke14]

I don't support communism (although a good theory on paper), what I do support is a change in the current world power. I feel that the United States had reached the peak of what it could do for uniting the world, a few decades ago. Yet until now, no country has had the leaders, resources, economic stability and military to take the place of the fore running nation. I believe that the Chinese in order to reclaim their place at the top must have a talented leader to direct them. If this leader had the ability to reform China then they must have enough prowess to unite the world under one government. Therefore if there were to be any change (there will be) I would hope that China would be the one to direct.

[eynon]

Locke14 wrote: I don't support communism (although a good theory on paper), what I do support is a change in the current world power. I feel that the United States had reached the peak of what it could do for uniting the world, a few decades ago. Yet until now, no country has had the leaders, resources, economic stability and military to take the place of the fore running nation. I believe that the Chinese in order to reclaim their place at the top must have a talented leader to direct them. If this leader had the ability to reform China then they must have enough prowess to unite the world under one government. Therefore if there were to be any change (there will be) I would hope that China would be the one to direct.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: (wiping eyes) oh, that's a good one, you almost had me going there for a second.....thanks for makin my day :-D

[IMPERATOR CAESAR]

I'd have to say the first to get nuked is North Korea when they test thier nukes. One malfunctions and blows up on the landing pad.