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Josh · Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 6035 Location: Across America

The 2004 G8 Summit is being held in my hometown this year. It starts June 8. I leave June 7! (I'll be in Russia for school at the time, so I'll mess the festivities.)

The Sea Island Resort is where all the big wigs are staying... supposed to be about 200,000+ protestors showing up... media...

Biggest thing to hit this town since the guy who owned Packard Car Company built a mansion here.

Well, on a more personal note... I've spotted about a dozen secret service agents in their 'inconspicous' jet black tented window SUVs... oh, the big radio antenna really keeps the 'secret'.

RheniumBuck · Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 216 Location: OHIO

I was reading of Free Republic where your hometown has passed several ordinances to make it virtually impossible to protest there, including needing a permit for any assembly of more than six, requiring the group to post a bond equal to the value of any property that might be damaged, limiting the size of signs that may be displayed, and limiting the proximity to the elite. Also, there will be absolutely zero protests on the island itself, and the above restrictions apply to the town on the mainland.

Freedom of speech? Yeah....sure....

Freedom for your voice to be heard?

You be the judge..........

Arwon · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:18 am Post subject:

Yaay! That's my birthday!

Also: Yaaay, organisations like this having to hide from everyone in little fortified compounds!

Kindred · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject:

RheniumBuck wrote: I was reading of Free Republic where your hometown has passed several ordinances to make it virtually impossible to protest there, including needing a permit for any assembly of more than six, requiring the group to post a bond equal to the value of any property that might be damaged, limiting the size of signs that may be displayed, and limiting the proximity to the elite. Also, there will be absolutely zero protests on the island itself, and the above restrictions apply to the town on the mainland.

Freedom of speech? Yeah....sure....

Freedom for your voice to be heard?

You be the judge..........

They are in effect fascist impediments.

Josh · Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 6035 Location: Across America

Quote: They are in effect fascist impediments.

That's just dumb. All of the ordinances that have been passed are here to protect businesses and enviroments. Everything went through due process and the community agreed to it. Think about how many people want to mass at the bridges, fields, and stadium... that's a lot of trash. Water bottles, signs, paper trash, feces, styrofoam, etc. These protestors aren't known for their good behavior either...
Granted it pales in comparision with the pain and hurt that these leaders cause with trying to play with the economy or by starting wars...
But, those eight men aren't running down a main street trampling one another, throwing bricks in shopping windows, and starting fires.

They are in charge of the civic systems that have to clean up the mess the protestors leave... broken class, burnt buildings, dead bodies.

Personally, I don't want anyone coming to my hometown. We have enough to deal with already... corrupt school board, commission, sheriff department, and a county-city merger that we really need, 4 EPA Superfund sites, worse AIDs epidemic in the state.

I treat this as if it were an invasion by an army or a horde of sign carriers and molotov cocktail tossers. (I can promise that there will be violence between protestors and either the rednecks, the Outlaws motorcycle chapter, or the Locals motorcycle gang.)

I can't believe I'm actually making a case for regulation...damn, hell is cold tonight.

DEFCON 1 · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:59 pm Post subject:

There is simply not enough room here for you pi$$ ant protestors. We live on a peninsula surrounded by rivers and marsh. The summit is two Islands over with more rivers and marsh. On any given summer day we are already up to our a$$ in Yankees. You can have your free speech somewhere else. You can yell and scream right where you are. I don't give a crap. Some of this human garbage just wants to see a building burn and believe me this ain't Seattle. You can get hurt here if hurt is what you want.

Josh · Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 6035 Location: Across America

Besides, it's a big stink about an ineffective summit meeting... you can barely consider the G8 an IGO. It's just a big load of symbolic bull that's going to destroy the already dying eco-system here.

I'd prefer a hurricane to come barrelling down on us than have this meeting.

DEFCON 1 · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:09 am Post subject:

Yea, stay away.

We have

The bird flue
Aids falling off the trees
Toxic air
Contaminated water
Yankees
Canadians
Ebola
Nail fungus
Post Nasal drip

Kindred · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:14 am Post subject:

Thanks for the warning :tu:

Alpha04 · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:46 am Post subject:

defcon : gosh, what you describe is almost a "tourist attraction" on its own.(does this get printed up in Tourist brosures?? & travel ads?-- with photos??) :wink:

Josh · Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 6035 Location: Across America

Maybe it's a Freedom of Speech Violation

Quote: http://www.islandpacket.com/24hour/nation/story/1295977p-8425937c.html

But, so is this:

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=449&id=615172003

Quote: And in Lausanne demonstrators wearing black face masks blocked roads with burning barricades and attacked hotels where some delegates were staying

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1446284.stm

Quote: Small groups of anarchists and hooligans have been using legitimate protest as a vehicle for causing chaos and mayhem," said a spokesman for Mr Blair.

Arwon · Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:49 am Post subject:

Can private citizens violate free speech laws?

Josh · Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 6035 Location: Across America

Quote: Can private citizens violate free speech laws?

Sorry, not violate... they can abuse them.

You represent group A. I hate group A. I carry a sign that says, "Group A eats babies and makes men poor." That's okay. But, I have a friend that hates Group A. He throws a rock through a window with a note attached saying, "Group A are filthy facist pigs." Then, he throws a molotov cocktail on a nearby parked car. That's abuse of freedom of speech and a crime.

Arwon · Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:49 am Post subject:

So what's that... tresspassing, disturbing the peace, vandalism, and so forth?
What are the relevant authorities violating? Freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of association? But then... are local and state authorities bound by the federal Constitution?

"I can't believe I'm actually making a case for regulation...damn, hell is cold tonight."
Bit different when the regulation benefits you and protects you, eh? (:

Josh · Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 6035 Location: Across America

Quote: So what's that... tresspassing, disturbing the peace, vandalism, and so forth?
What are the relevant authorities violating? Freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of association? But then... are local and state authorities bound by the federal Constitution?

"I can't believe I'm actually making a case for regulation...damn, hell is cold tonight."
Bit different when the regulation benefits you and protects you, eh? (:

Yeah, state and local authorities are supposed to be bound by the Constitution. But, they always have to be reminded what the Constitution is.

But, you know this regulation is a special case... It's not me that I'm worried about. It's that these protestors make such a mess destroy so much private property. I wouldn't have a problem with them meeting up as long as they don't get violent. But, the nature of these protests... (been in one or two myself) if a cop arrests someone in the protest for defacing property, or hitting someone with a stick... if the cop arrests an individual for an individual incident then all the other protestors want to heckle, poke or swat at the cop with their signs. (the way our cops act, it won't be rubber bullets in response... it'll be an M9 pistol with hollow tips. that's gun talk for 'small gun, big hole')

So, this regulation is aimed at preventing all the crap that goes on in the rest of the 'civil' world.

Ahem, I might mention that after the G8 I will... (if I survive Russia) petition for the regulations to be removed... chain myself to a lightpost on a hunger strike... or something like that.

RheniumBuck · Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 216 Location: OHIO

Josh, you can't possibly support the passing of ordinances aimed at stopping what might happen. All soccer games, hockey games, t-ball games would have to be outlawed as well. You never know when a parent might go "hockey-dad" on someone. This is not about the summit meeting. Really, who could care less. This is about taking away your freedom to assemble, freedom to associate, and freedom to move about unimpeded. And it sounds as though, since you don't want any people there, you support these measures. I'm surprised.

DEFCON 1 · Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:17 pm Post subject:

RheniumBuck wrote: Josh, you can't possibly support the passing of ordinances aimed at stopping what might happen. All soccer games, hockey games, t-ball games would have to be cancelled as well. You never know when a parent might go "hockey-dad" on someone. This is not about the summit meeting. Really, who could care less. This is about taking away your freedom to assemble, freedom to associate, and freedom to move about unimpeded. And it sounds as though, since you don't want any people there, you support these measures. I'm surprised.

Well the thread topic is about the Summit and this town has been declared a federal security zone. Airspace shut down, Marina's closed, Navy seals checking bridges, combat ships off shore Blah blah blah. This is major league and they are not gonna take a bunch of pansy rent a mob people showing their a$s like they normally do.

Josh · Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 6035 Location: Across America

Quote: This is not about the summit meeting. Really, who could care less

That's the only reason I care this time. Cause it directly affects my community.

I consider this a special case. There are people planning to raise hell and start fights. Look at what happened in Genoa... (those civil Europeans, sorry had to take that jab) This is very literal; an army is going to descend on what is usually a peaceful place. Just like militas prepare for invasion we are buckling down for what is surely going to be interesting. (Besides, people are just going to break the law anyway, and the politicians, all conservative, don't want to say, "okay, the protestors can have the stadium and can march across the causeway, the Sydney Lanier bridge, and the fairgrounds." Because, if the feces hits the fan, that commissioner is going to be the fall guy.")

Really, I want to see an angry non-violent demonstration... but, I don't want molotov cocktail parties.

Truth_is_Right · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 89

Definitely freedom and rights have their limits. When you freedom infringes on my safety then we have an issue. You just can't claim you're rights and forsake mine. eg.. There's a trucker strike so several truckers drive down the freeway and stop altogether taking up all the lanes. Parks the truck and leaves. Dont tell me its their right when I sat thru hours of traffic.

Tribal · Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 1

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yaa it a threat. it can explode

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http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s3353-s-TAMIFLU.aspx