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[Kindred]

Golddave wrote: A.D wrote: Do you know 'just war theory', look at criteria 7.

Where's that? what the f**k are you talking about? You must be dropping 10 IQ points a year with all the s**t you are smoking.

Have you not heard of 'just war theory', the basis of determining a war just?

[2ndAcr]

See what happens when you dummies keep spouting crap about the US.

You seem to forget that most in America are Americans and do not like to be told what to do.

So deal with it. Payback is a B***H.

There is nothing wrong with either war. We are just cleaning up the worlds trash. Think of it as our being a good neighbor. Since the world seems to like living amongst trash, we will clean it up for you and then send you the bill.

[D@N]

Good neighbour?!

From where I sit on the globe i haven't seen very much "conservative compassion" from our "friendly" neighbors. America put a tariff on all exported Canadian softword lumbour causing an excess of 30,000 jobs to be lost. You are buying out our resources and trying to bid on the privatization of all our natural resources. since your privatized medical system collapsed under the flu strain shot, we've had 100's of Americans everyday come up for flu shots. We sell your Seniors cheaper drugs because your own government won't give them a break. American recruits come up and try to higher our new nurses and medical professionals at a time when we are endanger of losing a fair chunk due to aging baby boomer's. America's whole "your with us or against us" bit piratically killed off some of the friendship between our countries. you bash the French constantly not noticing the millions just north of you. You insult us all the time and dismiss us as "extra resources" for America at a time of its choosing. You seem to not notice our contributions to the war in Afghanistan but are outraged when we chose not to go to illegally occupy a sovereign nation.

This is from the Bush years mostly so I don't blame Americans, their good, no great , people. Just bad taste in leaders :wink:

[2ndAcr]

Instead of "you", try "some of you". I know quite well that there are Canadians in Afghanastan.

As to Fench Bashing, guilty as charged. You, up north of us, may be descended from the French, but you are Canadian. I am descended from Wales, with a touch of Irish, but I am American first and always. I owe no loyalty to where some relative happened to be born 100 years ago. If it was so great over there, maybe he should have stayed. But he did not, he moved to America, hence I am American. You are Canadian. Not French.

Did not know about the wood squabble. So can not comment.

Sorry about the flu oopsy. I do not get them, so it does not effect me. It falls under the "sh*t happens" clause of life.

"With us or against us" I agree with completely on the war on terror. I may bash at times over Iraq, but I see Iraq more as a personal matter between the US and Iraq. So I really do not fault Canada for it. But I will lash out when Canadians try and talk down to us over the matter.

Occupy is such an ugly word. That word may come back to bite alot of people when we finally do leave Iraq. If memory serves, we have "occupied" Germany and Japan since the end of WW2, and I do not here the world crying foul.

Actually, I think our current choice of President is by far one of the better ones we have had in 100 years. At least he remembers who he works for, The United States of America.

[D@N]

2ndAcr,

With the Canadians in Afghanistan I was saying from a general perspective. But there exceptions to every saying.

Let me explain something about the French population in Canada. They don't tend to see them selfs as Canadian, and I know. I am French Canadian, I was raised in the west coast and am proud to be Canadian, but in Quebec my own grandmother is a separatist. for 30 Years there has been a controversy if Quebec should separate from Canada. Quebec has most of the French Canadians in Canada. there was a 1995 referendum that was averted by some 5% of votes i think. And there has even been kidnapping and bombing in the 70's by armed separatist group.

America got its start from history by having a revolution to become individual. you rebelled against the British to become your own country. The whole perspective of the beginning of your country was to separate from the old European empires to make our own country. Thats why many of the immigrants that moved to America ran into a "melting pot" culture wheres everyone forgets their past, and becomes "reborn again" as American.

(The paragraph above is in general terms, I know there are exceptions)

Canada on the other hand, never had a revolution. We were fine and happy under British rule, and to this day technical Queen Elizabeth II is the head of our sate. We've always had a "culture mosiac" where as every immigrant keeps their Identity to have a more multi cultural society. In fact in Vancouver, English has officially become a minority language. we've always had different ethnic groups. We've always got along. but there is friction sometimes. The French-Canadians feared being a minority so they started making bilingual sign laws, making sure French would be the predominate language in the province. The majority of MP's (Representatives to our Parliament) are a party called Quebec bloc, they run as a federal party but only campaign in Quebec ridings and their platform is one of nationalize Quebec.

Canada is is very different from America in that sense. All my friends have different ethnicity but we get along. But I get French bashed by my friends at the same time and I don't even speak the language.

And you said guilty as charged with the French Bashing, yet your Avatar clearly has a French symbol on it and has French written along the bottom.

Ill get back to you to explain the softwood issue when I can find a link or something.But Id call it a bit more then a squabble.

With the war in Iraq you said it primely concerned America and Iraq. I think your administration thinks differently. When I said that comment I was talking about your government. Your government took a real sour note to us after our Parliament said we weren't going to war without a UN mandate. I will give you leeway here though because 2 of our MP's insulted president bush. And its no secret that the vast majority of Canadians do not like Bush one bit.


When I said occupy, Its because its true, the American Military current controlling Iraq to seek its own agenda(can mean good or bad, don't assume with right away with that sentence)

And with Japan and Germany, they Started a massive ethnic cleansing campaign that swept half the globe and resulted in the deaths of 10's of millions. they were within sight of try to establish t least partial world domination.

Iraq on the other hand "may" of had weapons of mass destruction. and they killed 5000 Kurds in 1990. they had a repressive regime that resulted in some deaths by secret police. but world opinion does not think it justified the 100'000's of resulting deaths that were caused by Invading and occupying Iraq for reasons that are being disproving every day.

Yes president bush works for the American people, but like it our not he's head of the most powerful country of the world. So its paramount that he does considers things on a world basis to, or else far more will be caused and too much blood shed.

[Boondoggle]

2ndAcr wrote: See what happens when you dummies keep spouting crap about the US.

You seem to forget that most in America are Americans and do not like to be told what to do.

So deal with it. Payback is a B***H.

There is nothing wrong with either war. We are just cleaning up the worlds trash. Think of it as our being a good neighbor. Since the world seems to like living amongst trash, we will clean it up for you and then send you the bill.

Well, if you had of cleaned up the trash in the whitehouse that was also in the Reagan administration, which supported Suddam while he was using chemical weapons, I'm sure the world would have been happy to pay the bill.

[2ndAcr]

D@N,

My avatar is the unit crest of the 2nd Amored Cavalry Regiment of the US Army. I know it has French writing on it. I have no control over the unit crest of my last Regiment. I claim it as American now.

So we are right to "occupy" Germany and Japan after the fact that they killed millions, yet when we nip one in the bud before they reach those massive numbers of deaths we are wrong? Does not sound right to me. Once the problem gets to the level of Germany or Japan ala WW2, then somebody really screwed up.

What is the magic number of deaths required? 1 million? 2? I seem to recall a few years ago the world screaming at the US for not stopping Rwanda, yet to stop it, we would have had to occupy it. Again, we would be going in after the fact that it got that bad to begin with. Why not once you realize that someone is willing to kill millions you take him down? Why wait until he has done it? SH already had close to 2 million deaths on his hands, yet the UN and most of the world is willing to stand by and let him kill even more before they "approve" action?

The French vs Canadian thing makes no sense to me really. But I am American and everyone knows how stupid we are. :wink:

[2ndAcr]

Boondoggle wrote: 2ndAcr wrote: See what happens when you dummies keep spouting crap about the US.

You seem to forget that most in America are Americans and do not like to be told what to do.

So deal with it. Payback is a B***H.

There is nothing wrong with either war. We are just cleaning up the worlds trash. Think of it as our being a good neighbor. Since the world seems to like living amongst trash, we will clean it up for you and then send you the bill.

Well, if you had of cleaned up the trash in the whitehouse that was also in the Reagan administration, which supported Suddam while he was using chemical weapons, I'm sure the world would have been happy to pay the bill.

He went bad on us. Seems king Willie did not have the balls to to remove the thug either. We made a mistake by not taking him out during the 1st GW, even if it would have pissed off the Arabs. We now have a president who has the courage to tell the world that this guy is really bad and we are taking him out.

But your attitude is why I will always vote for the American candidate who will not be afraid to tell the world to kiss his ass. And hopefully piss them off in the process. Anytime the world does not like our President, it is a good time for my country. Means we are doing something right.

[perpetrator]

ah. exactly the humble attitude that makes your country such a popular attraction for terrorism!

[2ndAcr]

You be humble all you want. We American are rude surley upstarts who do not know our place in the world.

Oh wait, yes we do, at the head of the class. To borrow a Brit term, Piss off.