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[Janis]

SpartanPhalanx wrote: Janis,

You LOST Vietnam....end of story.

:lol: It is no use to debate you when you ignore the facts of the matter.. It is your opinion that because we left the S Vietnamese to fend for themselves that we were some how defeated militarily.. Fine, your allowed your opinion, no matter how much you are wrong.. I do think it was a sad part of our history, that we let certain Senators who cut our funding for the South because of anti-war liars like John Kerry. We did let those people down, but as far as being defeated, no...

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Yes, Iran is a theocratic dictatorship Janis, we all know that, but i find it intersting that you choose to point out their human rights record in regards to prisoner executions while YOUR country executes folks as well.
Your country also detains people indefinitely without charge and routinely tortures people as well. Both these charges are in contravention of UN human rights conventions Janis, and since you're an American, and a champion of "freeing oppressed people all over the world" why don't you start right at home where you can be most effective.

:lol: Yes, we have the death penalty. We have trials and we have a justice system which isn't found in todays Iran either.. They just pull people off the street because they don't like what they say or do.. Not the same.. We detain people indefinitely when they are enemy combatants. Not the same as the political prisoners of Iran.. Sorry...

[Nico]

janis wrote:
I'm sure your friend is a good little "hardliner".. If you don't know what is going on in Iran, your friend is not being honest with you....


120 PUBLIC HANGINGS SINCE MARCH!


Death sentences and Executions

2 young men to be executed

Etemad daily, Nov. 1 – The Supreme Court upheld the death decree for a 24-year-old man by the name of Moussa. This young man will soon be taken to the gallows.

Iran daily, Nov. 1 – A young worker has been sentenced to execution by a court judge.

3 death sentences

Khorassan daily, Nov. 7 – Tayebeh, a 28-year-old woman, was sentenced to death. The Supreme Court upheld the death sentences for two men named Alireza, 29, in Karaj, and Behrouz in Qazvin.

Death sentence in Tehran

16-year-old boy to be executed

AFP, Nov. 16, Tehran - Iran's hard-line judiciary has sentenced a 16-year-old boy to death. The boy was only identified as Vahid.

Political prisoner to be executed

INTV, Nov. 21 - An Iranian political prisoner was sentenced to death. The state-run Iran daily reported that Hojat Z. was sentenced to death for allegedly bombing the regime's Engelab building in 1998.

The man sentenced to death is the brother of one of the slain Mojahedin members Khaz-al Zamani, from the city of Ilam.

Political observers say issuing the death sentence for a case from six and a half years ago is only a reaction to the great blow the regime has received from the resistance's revelation of its clandestine atomic sites in recent days.

Boy, 19, sentenced to death

Iran daily, Nov. 21 - The Iranian officials in Tehran issued the death sentence for a 19-year old boy by the name of Majid.

Three execution sentences

Aftab Daily, Nov. 22 - Death sentences have been issued for two men by the names of Mohsen and Davoud who are accused of clashing with security forces. During this clash that took place 45 days ago, the forces fired at these two young men, killing one passer-by and injuring another. The Supreme Court also issued 5 death sentences in public for a man in Tehran. He is to be hanged mid-December in Tehran's Qaytarieh district.


Execution in Public

INTV, Nov. 25 - An individual accused of murder was executed on Tuesday November 23 in the city of Isfahan. His sentence was carried out at 6 am in Touqhchi square (Qods).




First of all , my friend is about the most ordinary, apolitical person you could meet. In fact You look like a Mullah in comparison, with your constant biased hate and war preaching. If you were even a tenth of a soldier I could at least take what you say with a grain of salt.

Now, humans rights abuses in Iran, they happen and they exist, there can be no debate. But the same groups that campaign against Iranian abuses also campaign against American abuses. The US leads the world in death sentences so there is a major log that needs removing from your eyes. The US is led by the current capital punishment record holder.

Now correct me if I am wrong, the US wishes to force a prisoner who is psychotic and therefore insane to take medication rendering him sane , thus to execute him , charming.

The US has waited for juvinile offenders to reach adulthood behind bars, thus to execute them.

The US has executed mentally deficient prisoners.

The US burned alive , a compound full of men women and children who opposed government regulation,


Iran is NOT the fr*kkin US. It's laws are its own laws, as unsavory as they may be to those of us living a completely more luxurious life.

I will defend NO human rights abuses, but neither will I watch the blood lust to attack another legitimate country be cultivated without recourse. Especially by one who has NO intention of leading the charge.

My friend says hi, by the way.


And Vietnam...........1

USA.......................0



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[Nico]

And you still haven't told me when you are going to invade N Korea

[Janis]

Anaximander wrote: janis wrote:
I'm sure your friend is a good little "hardliner".. If you don't know what is going on in Iran, your friend is not being honest with you....

luxurious life.

I will defend NO human rights abuses, but neither will I watch the blood lust to attack another legitimate country be cultivated without recourse. Especially by one who has NO intention of leading the charge.

My friend says hi, by the way.


And Vietnam...........1

USA.......................0





:lol: OK hardliner, the US is the horrible place you say it is... Yeah, the govt set out to burn people alive at Waco, you keep believing that! So, you don't like the death penalty, got it!

Yes I'm pro-Iraqi war and have been pro-democracy in Iraq since the idiots (the world community) decided to allow Saddam to remain in power and put in place a "No-fly zone". That containment policy is probably the worst thing anyone on this planet could have done, they condemned the Iraqi people to live under Saddams Iraq. Next should be Iran! I am for a Free Iran, let the people decide if they want a death penalty and if they do, they can put in place the justice system that figures all that out..

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I'm the most peace loving person you could meet! We just disagree on how real lasting peace can be achieved!

Which is a good way to bring us back to the original thread, the UN doesn't care about bringing any lasting peace to anyone.. They were quite happy to allow Saddams Iraq continue with no regard to what the people endured. I say peace can't always be brought about by talking and threatening, as you saw with every resolution passed and then ignored, sometimes it needs a little help....

Tell your friend hello back, Quote: violently attacked by the Iranian regime's agents. According to eye-witnesses, the government agents beat Payam to death and abandoned him on the street. He was beaten so much that his face was torn and his eyes and face were so bruised that he could not be identified. , the proud, loyal hardliner he must be..

[Nico]

Almost every resolution you posted was sanctioned by the US and pushed through the UN with opposition. So you are enforcing your own resolutions- now stop me if you can't see the irony.

The same way that Waco was a disaster, so disasters occur in other places. You use the death penalty as leverage, yet come from the world leader of countries that execute against the human rights mandates most other countries in the world accept. Thus, you cannot agitate [or pimp] for a war based on rules you do not follow as you have no moral high ground to lobby from. What are you going to do if you manage to take over this country that is nearly three times more populous than Iraq: remove their death penalties by shooting and stoning and replace them with yours by electrocuting and injecting? Wow, what a change.

Yes I am a hardliner. I am a radical hater of warmongering. I regret that the sale of military action is the one thing that makes my blood boil.[ while I accept you are probably a good person who is scared of a world that appears less safe than it was]

It would be easy for me to hate you, having seen things I wish I could erase, but that would be just the emotion that marches the kids to their oblivion. I am left only here to talk against the poisonous seductiveness of such ideas.


Iraq was some 24 million mostly secularised/ westernised people. Iran alone, is some 50 million fervently patriotic Persians, who have never allowed a conqueror to stay for long.

I leave you with the following favourite saying of Marshall Chuikov [arguably the hardest soldier to ever walk the face of the earth].
" One of my soldiers told me the other day about how he had captured a bear, single handedly. I said 'that's incredible, why don't you bring him to headquarters tomorrow to show everybody'. He replied 'I can't sir, he won't let me'."
This is what awaits the invading army, a victory that is actually a burden that will dictate to you for the rest of your life.

[Nico]

Oh yeah, my friend is a woman, she is going back to Iran because she misses it.

[Janis]

Anaximander wrote: Oh yeah, my friend is a woman, she is going back to Iran because she misses it.

Just in time for the revolution! :wink:

[Nico]

janis wrote: Anaximander wrote: Oh yeah, my friend is a woman, she is going back to Iran because she misses it.

Just in time for the revolution! :wink:



Well at least if it is a revolution, it will be their own. Iran is for persians to change, not Americans or Jamaicans or Nepalese. If America was to become different, what American would appreciate it if China was to invade and occupy? None. Iran is far from perfect, but it is also not some faceless people who will be happy to be statistics in some 'holy' western crusade to remake the world in its own image. The bombs make twenty enemies for every person killed, yet still one cannot understand.

Diplomacy is boring, but it is the face of mutual respect. If you kill one child from the middle east, it is not forgotten by the Arab or Persian in just a few days or months, but remembered by the generations who come and the generations after. This is the time frame you are engaging in, when fighting any war there, so it is worth being diplomatic.

[Janis]

Remember when we kill enemies of democracy, it will be remembered for generations!!! :-D

[Nico]

janis wrote: Remember when we kill enemies of democracy, it will be remembered for generations!!! :-D



If I didn't know better I would think you were one of those recruiters who hides out in political forums.

[Janis]

Anaximander wrote: janis wrote: Remember when we kill enemies of democracy, it will be remembered for generations!!! :-D



If I didn't know better I would think you were one of those recruiters who hides out in political forums.

8) :wink:


Plaque Kirkuk fire station restored by USAID

Photo: Debbi Morello/USAID
Kirkuk, Iraq, September 2003 - A plaque at the entrance says "Kirkuk Central Fire Station which has been renovated as a gift to the people of Iraq from the people of United States of America, U.S. Agency for International Development." The Kirkuk Central Fire Station was was looted of most of its contents; windows and doors were broken; wiring pulled out, the back-up generator was destroyed; most of the building was damaged and equipment was destroyed or stolen. The ability of the fire department to respond to fire emergencies in this city of approximately 1 million inhabitants was severely compromised. One of Iraq Transition Initiatives objectives is to enhance capacity of local and national governments, the $51,320 grant from USAID's Office of Transition Initiatives provided the assistance needed to restore the department to working condition.

:)


USAID Promotes Local Governance Projects


Saba Nissan Water Treatment Plant Extension



Women's Rights Center Established


Health Clinics Renovated in Basrah

http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/photogallery/ :)

[Nico]

Have you got a name for your bear yet? :P

[Janis]

Anaximander wrote: Have you got a name for your bear yet? :P

Bear? Oh, yeah sure.... His name is Smokey. :-D

Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires!




1944 - 2004: 60 years of wildfire prevention

[Nico]

janis wrote: Anaximander wrote: Have you got a name for your bear yet? :P

Bear? Oh, yeah sure.... His name is Smokey. :-D

Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires!




1944 - 2004: 60 years of wildfire prevention





They are great at first, but they can get intimidating sitting in the livingroom, watching you while you eat. :P

[Janis]

Anaximander wrote:
They are great at first, but they can get intimidating sitting in the livingroom, watching you while you eat. :P
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I always loved camping, but lately I have become rather fearful of bears ripping me out of my tent and eating me for breakfast.. :wink:

[Nico]

janis wrote: Anaximander wrote:
They are great at first, but they can get intimidating sitting in the livingroom, watching you while you eat. :P
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I always loved camping, but lately I have become rather fearful of bears ripping me out of my tent and eating me for breakfast.. :wink:

Have a good christmas, we can resume battle later on :wink:
I was in the rockies once, and saw paw prints everywhere, it was kind of scary.

[Janis]

Anaximander wrote: janis wrote: Anaximander wrote:
They are great at first, but they can get intimidating sitting in the livingroom, watching you while you eat. :P
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I always loved camping, but lately I have become rather fearful of bears ripping me out of my tent and eating me for breakfast.. :wink:

Have a good christmas, we can resume battle later on :wink:
I was in the rockies once, and saw paw prints everywhere, it was kind of scary.

Yes, Merry Christmas! A truce is in order... Then we can get back to business as usual....